As a teenager [in the 1970s] my friends and I 'were into' Progrssive Rock. As I got older my taste widened and 80% of my collection is now classical. I thought this might have been part of the natural aging process but reading our forum I have had another thought. Rock and Roll died in the 1970s.

Led Zep, nothing after Physical Graffitti. Jethro Tull, nothing after Minstrel. Deep Purple, nothing after 1974. Stones, saw them at Knebwoth, finished by 1976. Dylan, all dredful after Desire. Etc. Etc. Etc.

U2, Pearl Jam, Nirvana: anything new?

Yes it did. The exact date being 16th August, 1977.

Stephenjohn

Depends what's meant by Rock n Roll - agreed it became harder to find in the 80s. A lot my albums are from 1960s and 1970s.

However, there is good stuff around from HMHB, Ozrick Tentacles, Martha & the Muffins, Garbage and so on.

76-78 was packed with great music (it was Nadir's Big Chance) - London's Calling comes to mind - not to mention Ed Banger and the Nosebleeds: Ain't been to no music school and, of course, the Desperate Bicycles.

As Nigel Blackwell might say

God gave rock n roll to us
But he also gave us
Phil Collins
and he also gave us
Dire Straits
and he also gave us
The Bee Gees
and he also gave us
Coldplay
and he also gave us
U2
and he also gave us
Queen
................ perhaps it did die after all.

GML - was 16th August, 1977 the start of the great rock n roll swindle then.

Ahem!....Rock & Roll began on Sept. 2nd 1956. The day I purchased my Bill Hailey 78 rpm shellac of "rock around the clock".

With the fading of the likes of Gene Vincent, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, the Big Bopper, Buddy Holly and of course first version pre-army Elvis, Rock and roll died. That was way before 1977 it just took until then to bury it!

Rock & Roll did not die...it was murdered by the record companies wanting to promote the new wave of what many call 80's music. Don't get me wrong, I like some 80's music. It was just the next generation eating up the new hip sound and if you did not fit in, your records did not sale and when you tried to fit in, your records still would not sell because you were being something you were not. Just my opinion of what happened.

Charles

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Originally posted by chuck777:
it was murdered by the record companies

I would go along with that to a degree. However, we have seen the likes of Nirvana, Soundgarden, RATM, Guns & Roses etc etc.

But there were others worthy of wider recogniiton not suppported by record companies eg Twelth Night, Tubilah Dog.

Fashions change, catering for the mass market yet...

for me it actually died 25th September 1980

It not so much died as petered out in mainstream in the mid 60s, having done its job. Sure there are derivatives going beyond and a big revival in the 70s but its heyday was ‘55-’65. Not a bad run.

September 1980 - Bill Haley if memory serves? The eara was well over by then.

Cheers

Harry

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for me it actually died 25th September 1980

Yup - no one quite like Bonzo has sat behind a drum kit since

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stephenjohn:

Dylan, all dredful after Desire.
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Have a listen to his two most recent; 'Time Out of Mind' and 'Love and Theft', masterful reflections on the twilight of a (monumental) career, admittedly no longer that thin, wild mercury sound but amongst the very best material he's ever released.

No, Rock'n'Roll most certainly is not dead. The trouble is that we tend to stop listening for new stuff as we get older, so you have to fight that. If you need to find something new to make you lay the old stuff aside, it's out there still, and plenty of it.

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No, Rock'n'Roll most certainly is not dead. The trouble is that we tend to stop listening for new stuff as we get older, so you have to fight that. If you need to find something new to make you lay the old stuff aside, it's out there still, and plenty of it

Exactly. Go out and buy a few White Stipes albums as primordial a mix as ever there was.

White Strpies.

Any others?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sloop John B:
Exactly. Go out and buy a few White Stipes albums as primordial a mix as ever there was.
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There is nothing new under the sun. However, as derivative as they are, the White Stripes are one of the most exciting new bands in years. I went along to Hammersmith Odeon last November with a friend who is a fan, I was ambivalent. By the third number I was picking my chin up off the floor. They blew me away, one of the best gigs I've ever seen.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stephenjohn:
White Strpies.

Any others?
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Drive By Truckers (try 'The Dirty South', they do make 'em like that any more), Willy Mason, Go Team, Robert Plant's latest (Echoes of Zep for sure but no lazy resting on Physical Grafitti era laurels) and Damien Jurado.

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Originally posted by stephenjohn:
White Strpies.

Any others?

Wending it's way to me as we speak are the Arctic Monkeys who are such a breath of fresh air and could only be an English band with their use of language and irony - and they rock!

Off to see Clap your hands say Yeah next week, shall report back if they are to be the saviours of rock and roll.

But the biggest argument against RnR's death in the late 70's are undoubtedly The Pixies. I'm also quite a fan of FB's solo stuff and the Breeders are beautifully loose and languid.

Damn it Malky, you beat me to it.
Drive-By Truckers are awesome and The Dirty South is a great place to start, but also their Southern Rock Opera for a raw and dirty return to american 70's "Rawk" in homage to Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Along similar but more modern lines are Grand Champeen & Wilko.
Just get The Dirty South and be inspired. The opening bars will do it, and if you disagree, I'll pay for the CD.

Oh...forgot to mention that D-BT's CD's are the nearest you will get to old LP covers, with cardboard sleeves, booklets and very cool artwork.

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Originally posted by Huwge:

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for me it actually died 25th September 1980

Yup - no one quite like Bonzo has sat behind a drum kit since

This was Bonzo? Hardly Rock n' Roll surely? What are we talking about here? Rock music or Rock n' Roll. I've always associated Zep with blues more. Whereas The Stones started out as Chuck Berry alikes. Bill Haley also died in the early 80s, not that he'd done anything much after 1960 - but the train had already left the station by then and his place in history was assured. Like Bonzo's - but as a Rock n' Roller? That's selling him a bit short isn't it? Different eara, different music - even if from a similar source (which is questionable).

Cheers

Harry

Well R&R seems to perpetually change like a chamelion. In the 60's it became psychedelia (and can't forget what the British invasion did to rock over here in the states, 70's developed heavy metal, Southern Rock and Ugh! disco. Then fashion took over R&R in the 80s. I don't know how to describe 90's music but the "producers and corporate" heads are looking for a style and sales rather than originality. Tho you hear some groups that retain good ol style R&R. Disco is still heard at the club scene. I"m not interested in trying to keep up. Getting to be an old fuddy duddy I guess.

My interests have changed to more complex music in classical world, but I still retain that urge to hear edgy stuff like 20th C composers. I blame it on my rearing on R&R.

glenn