Dave

Which is why my CDS2 will likely go and my XPS2 pushed into service on the DAC. I don't listen to CD's (via a CD player anymore).

Jim

quote:

Originally posted by rackkit:
Also, is the DAC transport dependent ie will it sound better hooked up to the CDX2-2 than the CD5XS?

Yes - how important is the transport?
How does a transport through the DAC compare with, say, a Mac through the DAC?

Gregg

If the transport 'suddenly' isn't important after all these years, then there's going to be an awful lot of 555 head units appearing for sale...!

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Originally posted by SC:
If the transport 'suddenly' isn't important after all these years, then there's going to be an awful lot of 555 head units appearing for sale...!

The problem is that CDS3 and 555 owners are precluded from using this DAC - unless we want to purchase an additional power supply to power our "transports".

Hopefully there will not be a retrofit for these machines allowing them to utilize the DAC (difficult as both do not have built in power supplies) because - their DAC's are ALREADY better than the new one

Naim DAC owners are going to hear varying results by mixing and matching a transport and digital interface.

Glevethan

quote:

their DAC's are ALREADY better than the new one

Interesting conclusion - how did you come up with that one (since it will be impossible to compare).

Kuma

A voice of reason and logic as always.

Jim

quote:

Originally posted by kuma:
Naim DAC owners are going to hear varying results by mixing and matching a transport and digital interface.

But it is supposed to solve the jitter issue quite well, thus transport might be nearly irrelevant?
The fact they recommend a sound device such as the M-audio transit usb makes me think transport doesn't matter too much.

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Originally posted by glevethan:
their DAC's are ALREADY better than the new one

Interestingly the white paper reads:

quote:

Two mono, true multi-bit Burr-Brown PCM1704K DAC chips are used in the Naim DAC – the same type as in all Naim high-end CD players including the CD555.

All that for just £2,000 ,Result

It will be nice to hear a production DAC when they are ready. Until then it's really speculation.

I'm off to spend more time with Lyngdorf kit tomorrow. This removes the need for a DAC and makes for much less messy cabling

hi guys, i never post on here but always keep a look out.

Why is there lots of talk of i-pods and such s**te?

Are we not jumping the gun abit here?

as far as the dac chips go, the chips themselves are cheep. do you realy think they will sound the same and be implemented in the same way as a 555 or cds3? i dont think so!

i think its sad to think people are going to sell there awesome head units off to use pc's etc.

dont people like buying discs anymore?

Why are people still using lp's if cd is so much more convienient? i think people are gona regreat selling off there kit to buy this dac

i hope m first post isnt gona cause a mass argument!haha

I can't recall even one forum member saying that the DAC had to interface with an iPod.

Naim have chosen to put this facility on the DAC. Most of us think that the iPod would only contain music that is already on the network anyway, so will stream it from that.

I've heard the DAC on two occasions now, it brings an amazing improvement at a fairly modest price for the level of improvement.

Before I got into Naim stuff I had a decent CD player. I sold it three months after getting a Squeezebox, as I had used it all of twice in the three months. IMHO streaming your music gives many advantages over CD.

My preferred source is vinyl, but I use the streaming solution constantly as background. Much better than most of the drivel on radio.

Cheers

John

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Why is there lots of talk of i-pods and such s**te?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using an ipod as source , if the file is uncompressed it will be exactly the same as listening to a cd ( through the same dac.
I would hope the dacs design and implementation allows it to surpass the quality of the current cdps.

Noise, cable connection(reflections and perhaps even bandwidth) could still effect things though these differences should be minimized. Bandwidth could still cause minor errors in latching and reflections could possibly appear as noise on the stream. Maybe an engineer could chime in. Better input should still get the best result but like I said, the differences should be minimized without being homoginized. I suspect as always, there will be more to this than getting all the bits in the right sequence though everything will hopefully get better and with less difference than usual between sources. It seems to me that they're not averaging to allow a higher level of performance from good sources while at the same time doing more to correct for jitter in poor sources than in the past. At least that's my take from the white paper.

Roll on the end of next month.
When the Dac hits the dealers,I am so looking forward to trying one in my system.
Stu

Its going to be an interesting few months

James

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Originally posted by james n:
Its going to be an interesting few months

James

Week or two

quote:

Originally posted by Exiled Highlander:
Glevethan

quote:

their DAC's are ALREADY better than the new one

Interesting conclusion - how did you come up with that one (since it will be impossible to compare).

Jim

It was not meant to be a conclusion - just an expression of hope that the internal DAC of my CD player (and the 555) are better.

Still - if it can be shown to me that I can have digital playback which can at least equal my CDS3/555PS then I would have no problem ripping everything and enjoying the convenience of using an iPod touch to control the entire thing.

Gregg

quote:

Originally posted by damien4480:

i think its sad to think people are going to sell there awesome head units off to use pc's etc.

dont people like buying discs anymore?

i hope m first post isnt gona cause a mass argument!haha

Well, your first post might spawn a flurry of spell check references.

Of course we like buying CDs, what do you think we are ripping to hard drives?

There is no reason to be sad about people selling their CDPs. I doubt anyone is going to do so without hearing the DAC first. Also, I imagine there will be many home demos to bear out hierarchy.

Keep in mind that this DAC will be able to be used in conjunction with the new CD5x and CDX2. Those are CDPs the last time I checked.

-patrick

Glevethan

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just an expression of hope that the internal DAC of my CD player (and the 555) are better.

Fair enough, but why would you hope that - if the DAC is better with good rips wouldn't that be progress? You can of course use your 555PS with the DAC.

Jim