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........or have any experience of the Sonus Faber Guarneri Mementos or the Focal Diablo's with their Naim system, the only time I heard the SF GM's was when I had a 250.2 and frankly it was not up to the task, they seemed hugely power hungry......comments please

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Jez
 
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No, but soon I hope.

Edouard's posts over the last year or so have not gone un-noticed..

KR

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Hello Jez,

To be happy with Naim amps, there's two rules of the thumbs I follow;

1- Use speakers that a Nait could drive.

2- Always remember rule #1.

So it could only get better with upgrades.

For domestic use, there's so many speakers out there that are happily driven by small amps, so I wouldn't bother about the ones that aren't.

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I fully agree with Stoik. Who needs speakers that you need such a big and expensive amp for. Never liked Sonus Faber anyway.

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Have owned SF Grand Piano's worked wonderfully well with my then 202/200 combo........I guess the point is does anyone have any experience of the high end units.......
 
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........or have any experience of the Sonus Faber Guarneri Mementos or the Focal Diablo's with their Naim system, the only time I heard the SF GM's was when I had a 250.2 and frankly it was not up to the task, they seemed hugely power hungry......comments please

Many thanks

Hi

A 250 will drive the GM with no trouble, so your 300 will be great. They are a really good speaker but are slightly thick/slow in the mid bass and don't have the overall speed of a SL2. They are warm, smooth but detailed and very musical. I would expect the 300 to improve the mid bass as it has greater control in that area than a 250.

Cheers

Bob

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Hi Jez
I have demo'ed Mementoes on the end of my system as a replacement for the current Proacs. Having tried many of the well known alternatives out there below £10k, I would rate the Mementoes as No. 1 for me on musical engagement and enjoyment. Naim 135s drive them beautifully without any loss of rhythm or sense of dragging bass lines.

They appear to have 2 limitations: bass extension is the first, but they go surprisingly deep. The second is that the stands are not to everyone's aesthetic taste (to be kind...)

The new Naim Ovator S600 may be even better, but are too large for my room.

In order to significantly better Mementoes in my system has taken Wilson Sophia 2 - but these are much, much dearer.

The only viable alternative for me is the KEF Reference 205/2 - another speaker which is rarely mentioned.

Hope this helps.

FT
 
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If memory serves me well Dutch forum member KTmax has/had the SF Guarneri Memento's with his Naim system.

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For domestic use, there's so many speakers out there that are happily driven by small amps, so I wouldn't bother about the ones that aren't.

Personally I agree, but the topicstarter already has a superb 552/300 system, so why shouldn't he bother trying speakers that a Nait isn't comfortable with ?

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The 552/300 should do a fantastic job at driving the Guarneri.

Regards,
Edouard
 
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Sonus faber Guarneri Memento

 
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And they look fabulous to me!

ATB from George
 
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Hi Jez
I have Focal diablo utopias useing 250 sound fantastic best we demoed
T
 
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Originally posted by Alco:
Personally I agree, but the topicstarter already has a superb 552/300 system, so why shouldn't he bother trying speakers that a Nait isn't comfortable with ?

regards,
Alco


Alco, see it larger than this. Purely on the driving power aspect, the 50 watts of a Nait 5i and the 90 watts of a NAP 300 are no match for let's say a 500 watts Classé Omega Mono. You don't drive the same speakers with 50 or 90 watts that you do with 500.

One is free to do his own experiences, please note that I cared to use the first person of singular in my affirmation. Smile

Now back on topic.

Two years back, I voted for a set of Conrad Johnson electronics and SF Stradivari Homage as best sound of the show at our local Hi-Fi expo. Those Stradivari are true work of art, both by their craftmanship and by their sonic qualities.

A forum member that we don't see much often as we used to, ClaudeP, was using a CDS3, a NAC 252 and a NAP 300 to drive SF Cremona Elipsa, and seemed totaly satisfied by the mix.

Bye.
 
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Sonus faber Guarneri Memento

How are you? See you still have your SF's with Naim Smile . Hope all is well.

For the OP. If you want to use a 250.2, I'd very seriously look at the Cremona Auditor M. The 250 can drive the Momentos fine but they have a slightly warmish character. A 300 would be a better tonal match. Some of my customers find the Auditor M the most natural and least demanding in the entire SF line. It won't have the absolute fine top register detail of the Momento but it's still very good there.
 
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Originally posted by Edouard:
Sonus faber Guarneri Memento

How are you? See you still have your SF's with Naim Smile . Hope all is well.

For the OP. If you want to use a 250.2, I'd very seriously look at the Cremona Auditor M. The 250 can drive the Momentos fine but they have a slightly warmish character. A 300 would be a better tonal match. Some of my customers find the Auditor M the most natural and least demanding in the entire SF line. It won't have the absolute fine top register detail of the Momento but it's still very good there.


You are saying that the Mementos will work well with a 300?
 
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I haven't actually paired them but have used both. I suspect it will be good and a 500 always is.
 
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I was distinctly underwhelmed by the SF GMs when I demoed them at the HFC in Vancouver. I think they were being driven by a 250.2. I really, really wanted to like them, but they were just kind of "dull" in terms of enjoyment. Nothing I could put my finger on, though.

I listened, some time later, to the same system driving some SL2s and thought those were probably the best speakers I'd ever heard.

I agree that the stands of the SF GMs are certainly not to everyone's taste aesthetically.
 
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Alco, see it larger than this. Purely on the driving power aspect, the 50 watts of a Nait 5i and the 90 watts of a NAP 300 are no match for let's say a 500 watts Classé Omega Mono. You don't drive the same speakers with 50 or 90 watts that you do with 500.

Ah,I see. I understand your point.
 
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I've been using Focal Diablos in my 252/250.2 system for just over a year now; love them to bits.
 
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How are you? See you still have your SF's Smile . Hope all is well.


Hello js,

I am still in love with the SF Amati, I doubt those speakers will ever leave my place, I'm really thankful to you to have advice me, at the time, to get the SF Amati Anniversario instead of the SF Elipsa...
js, if you come to Paris you are welcome, just drop me a line (you'll find my email in my profile, you can also ask for it to Ron)
and who knows, I may pop in at Promusica in Chicago one day Smile

Best,
Edouard


 
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