Visit the Naim E-Store
Naim Audio Main Website    forums  Hop To Forum Categories  Naim Users  Hop To Forums  Hi-Fi Corner    Suspenders solution using a sonic toothbrush
Page 1 2 

Closed Topic Closed
Go
New
Find
Tools
  Login/Join 
Senior Member
Posted
Edit: sorry I had other things on my mind, that should have read suspended floor.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
What is a sonic toothbrush? Sonic teeth sounds like new hifi interface to me, and teeth need a toothbrush!

ATB from George
 
Posts: 14641 | Registered: Sat 09 July 2005Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
The Dr and I feel that a sonic screwdriver trumps a sonic toothbrush every time.
 
Posts: 2683 | Registered: Sat 05 October 2002Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Hi George,

Yes, my teeth are cleaned using a Sonicare (google) and I used it to help me solve vibration issues with my hifi rack. Damn interesting results.

ps. bear with me, although I did this months ago, I could be some time posting this lot.
 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Dear Count,

Your thread has brought a smile to my face!

ATB from George
 
Posts: 14641 | Registered: Sat 09 July 2005Report This Post
Member
Posted Hide Post
Is it anything to do with bluetooth ? Big Grin
 
Posts: 100 | Location: South Wales | Registered: Wed 18 October 2006Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
I just don't have spare time at the moment to write methods, tests and results, but for now here's self explanatory pics for you to see.

The first pic above in the thread, shows 3 3/4" square holes cut through the wood floor (8 in total, 1 for each stand foot). Then under the floorboards (with a 20" gap between concrete and floorboards) I built 8 individual pillars using foundation blocks and concrete bricks. This was ridiculously difficult in a confined space, but I didn't want to destroy my floor or make unnecessary mess in my room above.
 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Then to build the height up through the boards, I cemented 3 1/4" hard stone tiles. Obviously avoiding touching the wood.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Next cement a 4" granite tile to the stone. Leaving a gap between it and the wood.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Make sure it's level.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Also make sure all 8 tiles are level to each other.... a pain.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Finish off with a low density foam between the floor and tiles to stop draughts coming up from below.

Now my system is totally isolated from the direct effects of the suspended floor.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
That is an incredibly classy setup.
 
Posts: 2642 | Location: Enjoying the spring now it is finally here. | Registered: Tue 20 November 2007Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Really neat!

I have often thought of something like this.

How does it sound?

Richard
 
Posts: 535 | Location: York, England | Registered: Sun 13 August 2000Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
A lot of thought and hard work there count.
Well done.
How does it sound?
Stu
 
Posts: 22825 | Registered: Tue 25 April 2006Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Great work. My wife thought I was obsessive when she saw me glueing and screwing aluminium sheet under my speakers to stop the spikes sinking in. I'd love to try this myself, but as my room is upstairs I'd stuggle to convince her that 8 brick pillars through the lounge below is domestically acceptable...!
 
Posts: 1197 | Location: Stony Stratford | Registered: Sun 10 August 2008Report This Post
Member
Posted Hide Post
Very nice solution. I just hope your wife is happy with the location of the system and does not decide to redecorate!
 
Posts: 410 | Location: Arkansas, USA | Registered: Mon 26 November 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post


Superb job. Nice racks too Cool

James
 
Posts: 1755 | Location: Hampshire | Registered: Sun 03 April 2005Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Wow fantastic job.

a very neat solution to a perrenial problem.

Trouble is in my appartment the gap between floorboards and ground is several feet!

David
 
Posts: 760 | Location: Gorleston on Sea, Norfolk, UK | Registered: Thu 20 December 2001Report This Post
Senior Member
Posted Hide Post
Thanks for the compliments chaps. Sorry for not replying sooner, but I'm in and then back out all the time at the moment.

How did it sound? It took a lot of work (and sourcing of materials) to do this small project and the more work one does, the higher the expectation of the results. I had big expectations and I thought it would solve most vibration issues.... and I suppose it does. The comparison between floor boards and concrete under the rack here is very interesting, as nothing else has changed and I know the exact sound from my hifi. The biggest difference is in the bass area. Better definition in the deepest parts and I hear things I've not heard before. Very deep parts of the bass, which weren't there before, just tickle you. Drums have much more impact, are clearer and have sharper attack on the leading edge. Midrange opened up slightly and the treble a little sweeter, but the bass is the main improvement.

You have to take into account the fact that my two racks are already semi isolated from the effects of my speakers as they are 6m to the left in an ajoining room (see plan). I would have thought that if the racks were in the same room, and directly in line of fire, the results would have been greater.

After the project was completed, one of the tweaks I learnt, was by banging the floorboards around/under the racks. Although the boards have no contact with the rack, the noise produced still excited the levels, especially the bottom one. Obviously sound waves generated by boards will cause the whole rack to "sing", but I found that there's a trampoline interaction between boards and bottom level. I placed 2" thick acoustic foam on the boards directly under the racks to cut out the interaction and hey presto, bottom level vibration slightly reduced. Slightly reduced....ok so it's not perfect, but better than nothing. Anyone can do this. One can't put foam on unused levels, as it will deaden the rack's ring.

 
Posts: 2163 | Location: Lancashire | Registered: Tue 30 October 2001Report This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2  

Closed Topic Closed

Naim Audio Main Website    forums  Hop To Forum Categories  Naim Users  Hop To Forums  Hi-Fi Corner    Suspenders solution using a sonic toothbrush

© Naim Audio Ltd, 2006.