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WD Green or Red drives

Dave The Bass ·
I'm probably going to get a QNAP TS-251 to host my music library, and will use Asset.  I was wondering whether there was experience out there on using WD Green drives in a NAS as they are, allegedly, quieter.  Is that true, and are they...
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Which upnp server?

jc_x_c ·
I recently bought a Mu-So, generally very pleased with this.   All my music lives on a server Macintosh which is remote from the Mu-So and while the combination of iTunes and Apple's Remote application does work it's cumbersome, so I want to use...
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Re: Streaming only works in UPnP Compatibility Mode

Scooot ·
Hi, I can't really give you the help you need to fix your problem but it may be squeeze server. I used a squeezebox touch with squeeze server running on my qnap with out any problems at all.when I got a nd5xs on home dem I phoned my qnap dealer as I had read somewhere that squeeze server was now upnp.i was told that It won't work very well and may be unreliable.they talked me through how to enable twonky wich according to them was a better match for the naim streamers. It may not be the case...
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Re: Streaming only works in UPnP Compatibility Mode

garyi ·
What is a HP NAS servicer? Do you mean proliant? I ran windows on a proliant and it was not a good experience, I moved to OMV, which is a very good experience.
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Re: Streaming only works in UPnP Compatibility Mode

SteveSticks ·
Hi, Thanks for your replies, I forget the HP model, but it is device that has four drive bays, been used for streaming Squeezebox with no issue for 2 years. I have seen other posts with "similar posts" but no solutions. One that saw one suggested that you need a Naim server to get the other features workng. I have email Naim support for a view also. If anyone knows for sure please reply. Thanks.
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

Roman Kozyrev ·
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Damon ·
Hi Roman, I haven't tried Asset, as I'm still using Snow Leopard on my iMac; you are also on a Mac, I think, as you are using a Asset in beta form? I have Playback and also eLyric. Playback was really quite good; I liked the earlier versions better, and still use it instead of the last few updates. It seems faster than eLyric as things load up on my iPhone. Some others have had a similar issues with double titles; I can't remember which thread it was, but somebody did get it resolved, I...
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

Gummibando ·
While yazsoft has closed shop Playback keeps working and there is no reason while that should change unless Apple changes major programming APIs. Also there's a hint on the website that Playback may come back in the future. Playback is still a fantastic product with perfect Mac integration. It happily serves every supported media type in my home (from a Mac mini). So my - pragmatic - recommendation: keep Playback. I had the same issue with FLAC files. My solution was to batch-convert them...
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

badlyread ·
And could you tell the difference between 96 and 192kHz other than in your wallet? All of my files are ALAC on my Mac Mini and I have been using Playback you a number of years with no problems. However, I am currently trialling Asset transcoding the files to WAV on the fly and I like what I am hearing. Wonder what the purchase price will be? And when will it be available? Only 26 days of trial left! Regards Neil
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Roman Kozyrev ·
OK, so far having both upnp servers running in parallel seems like workable solution. Igot good comfort with Asset for my hires FLAC collection and for everything out of iTunes library, while still using Playback for all music in iTunes.
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

ChrisH ·
Got it - thanks HH! Theres 2 options in DTC / Tools / Settings & Functions / System Settings / Naim UPnP Server:- Transcode Media Types & Transcode I originally changed Flac from False to True in Transcode Media Types and ended up with 44.1kHz downsampled files. I should have changed Transcoding in Miscellaneous Settings to Decode to keep the sample size but decode to WAV. Ive now changed my original setting back and adjusted the correct setting, which works a treat. Ill have to give...
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Hungryhalibut ·
Hurrah - yes, it's 'decode', not transcode. If you set decode, you don't need to alter the setting true/false against any of the specific file types.
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Roman Kozyrev ·
OK! Game over for Playback! I just upgraded my system with one click! I still can't believe it's possible!!! My SU + Totem Hawks start to deliver as never before during the whole one and a half year I own them!!! What did I do : switch to decode on the fly from FLAC to WAV in Asset's settings. What a difference in sound! It start to be fuller, smoother, more soundstage! Before that I also was very happy with what I got from my SU, but now I know that i was unaware about it's full...
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

Hungryhalibut ·
Yes, I do this with my UnitiServe and it sounds much better. There's apparently less for the streamer to do with the files if it receives them in WAV.
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ChrisH ·
Apologies to the OP for taking this slightly off thread. When I transcode a 24/96 file from my NAS via my US from FLAC to WAV on the fly, I think it sounds different (maybe its in my head!), seems better, as is alluded to above. But on the SU it shows 44.1kHz in Stream Info. im thinking CD quality.....? Do you know if it has down sampled the file, or is it still at 24/96 resolution, just now in WAV? (HH, I was thinking you may know the answer to this question :0).
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Re: Asset upnp for OSX (beta) vs Playback

Hungryhalibut ·
It has down sampled it. You need to select the right option in the DTC. From memory it's 'transcode' rather than 'transcode to WAV'. The former keeps the native resolution. I thought I'd play the Antonio Forcione & Sabina Sciubba 192k version of Meet me in London - you see 192k in nStream.
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Re: Which upnp server?

adca ·
As was said before, asset is reliable and the setup is straightforward. If you have a large collection of classical music, you should have a close look at minimserver which is as reliable as asset, but much more flexible. adca
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Re: Which upnp server?

Bart ·
The evidence here puts Asset and Twonky at opposite ends of the spectrum. Much love for Asset. There is an Asset for OS X; folks here will chime in with their experiences with it. It's much newer than the Windows version.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Never had any problems with Asset, recommend it. Straightforward to setup and use. Simon
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vince hl ·
Using both Asset and Minim on a Mac mini core 2 duo with Lion OSx. CDs ripped as flac and transcoded to wav with both. I prefer Asset with the old Naim app and Minim with the new. Tried Twonky but found it less stable on my system than either Asset or Minim. Vince PS Streaming to a 2011 Uniti.
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Re: Which upnp server?

bartve ·
Well, I like Twonky (hiding behind the couch now...) on my Qnap NAS: serves everything very reliable, mp3/flac to my Uniti (and smartphones, tablets, and the like) and all those pesky video formats to my TV (and again, smartphones, tablets, etc.).
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Re: Which upnp server?

jc_x_c ·
Yes, the Naim tech support guys recommended Asset. I have downloaded Asset but I've had problems with it miss naming albums and artists What specifically are the reasons Twonky is at the 'opposite end of the spectrum'? Many thanks! Originally Posted by Bart: The evidence here puts Asset and Twonky at opposite ends of the spectrum. Much love for Asset. There is an Asset for OS X; folks here will chime in with their experiences with it. It's much newer than the Windows version.
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Re: Which upnp server?

jc_x_c ·
Actually I quite like Twonky too, I prefer the UI on the server computer and the naming of artists and albums in the Naim server seems more reliable. and it's also a tiny bit cheaper than Asset Thanks! Originally Posted by bartve: Well, I like Twonky (hiding behind the couch now...) on my Qnap NAS: serves everything very reliable, mp3/flac to my Uniti (and smartphones, tablets, and the like) and all those pesky video formats to my TV (and again, smartphones, tablets, etc.).
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Re: Which upnp server?

Arthur Geraerts ·
Tried them all. Asset the is best and most stable. Don't think Plex works with flac.
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The Meerkat ·
Originally Posted by Arthur Geraerts: Tried them all. Asset the is best and most stable. Don't think Plex works with flac. I use it on a Qnap NAS, and on a iMac. It definitely works and plays on my iMac and ND5 XS.
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Re: Which upnp server?

Bluetorric ·
Originally Posted by Arthur Geraerts: Tried them all. Asset the is best and most stable. Don't think Plex works with flac. Oh yes it does..........
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Re: Which upnp server?

Damon ·
Asset is floating to the top of the list, almost as the last server standing. I have it but I do not like it much; albums do go missing, the lists (artist / album) do not make it easy to just select an album and play it without going through a fairly long series of thumb selections. I also have Playback, which is sadly defunct, but it is still better; it finds all the albums, presents them in a more intuitive and attractive manner, and gets you where you want to go with fewer steps. I tried...
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Re: Which upnp server?

garyi ·
Run Plex. It plays very well on mac and works well to naim devices. Oh and its free.
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jc_x_c ·
Thank you all for the help, information and advice...it's greatly appreciated!
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The Meerkat ·
Originally Posted by garyi: Run Plex. It plays very well on mac and works well to naim devices. Oh and its free. +1
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Re: Which upnp server?

The Meerkat ·
Originally Posted by bartve: Well, I like Twonky (hiding behind the couch now...) on my Qnap NAS: serves everything very reliable, mp3/flac to my Uniti (and smartphones, tablets, and the like) and all those pesky video formats to my TV (and again, smartphones, tablets, etc.). I like 'Wonky Twonky' too! However, I am now having this amazing affair with PLEX!
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Re: Finally - Streaming Music From Mac Mini

garyi ·
i seriously recommend plex media server. You should try it. Your scenario is best it will happily scan your itunes library (and any other music you have including flac etc) and then it goes on line and finds beautiful artist artwork which is presented on nstream in the artist section. it will also stream that music to your phone/ipad/computer anywhere in the world, its free, its flawless with nstream (dont even need compatibility mode) and by far and a way presents your music in the best way...
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Re: Finally - Streaming Music From Mac Mini

nudgerwilliams ·
When I first had a streaming setup about 2.5 years ago I tried Allegro and eyeconnect on an iMac. Neither worked reliably. This was in the days before Asset was available for Mac. I solved the problem with £2k and a UnitiServe. Good you have found something that works for you without too much effort - and expense!
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

ragman ·
In case of an crash "warranty doesn't" matter if your datas are gone. A NAS, with what ever type of raif or parity disk or what in hell is not a BACKUP. BACKUPs are highly recommended!
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

popeye34 ·
Ragmans comment is full of value. You don't want to have to rip or download things more than once...RAID mirror could corrupt both/all copies, so advocating a backup as ragman and other have is good sense indeed. You could even try a restore of your backup ( at regular intervals) , so as not to encounter surprises should you have to rely on it.
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Harry ·
I thought we had all pretty much covered that already?
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LeeTom ·
How about four 1TB 2.5" SSD drives in RAID 5? Drool...
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Ian_S ·
Originally Posted by popeye34: Ian_S comment about RAID is a bit incorrect I'm afraid. A 2-disk raid mirror MAY read from both, rather depends on the access implementation/controller but obviously makes sense to read from both as the data are on two disks, though I doubt it will exercise the disk any. My el cheapo and old single disk video recorder can record two shows and playback another one simultaneously: not very demanding as Ian says. Raid 5/6 MUST read from all your disk as the data...
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

Huge ·
Just to re-iterate: REDs are designed for NAS use. Greens are designed for low power desktop use. The NAS environment is too stressful for GREENs (not the access, just the 24x7 powered up condition). REDs are much more reliable in NAS environments. Reds actually get quieter again a few minutes after they power up, as they slow their platters down when in low demand rate conditions (such as audio streaming). Note: RED Pros don't do this as they're designed for high demand enterprise level usage.
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jobseeker ·
Originally Posted by engjoo: Please use RED. I have used Green and they fail prematurely under the NAS environment. Same happened to me
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Mike-B ·
You might be right David, but the 3.5" are in no way noisy. My Synology has 3.5" WD Red's & the only time I hear anything is during power up/down sequences - (only done when I'm away from home) It lives in a closed door cabinet in the listening room & is effectively silent.
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Ian_S ·
Likewise, I have a Synology NAS with WD Reds and its both quiet and cool running. Always use drives on the compatibility list.
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dave4jazz ·
FWIW I have a QNAP TS-112P + WD Red, sited on an open shelf with other A/V equipment. I have been told, and read, many stories about noisey NAS but it is very quiet in operation. You can hear the drive starting-up but in no way is it intrusive or annoying. Dave
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

phosphocreatine ·
When I bought my HS-251 I had a spare WD Green, so I bought just 1 WD red and I use the red one to stream and the green one to backup the red HDD once a day. Everything is working fine, quiet and reasonably cool. But if you have to buy 2 new drives than stick to Qnap recommendations!
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Harry ·
Red. Warranty is longer isn't it?
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Andrew Everard ·
Originally Posted by Dave The Bass: I'm probably going to get a QNAP TS-251 to host my music library, and will use Asset. I was wondering whether there was experience out there on using WD Green drives in a NAS as they are, allegedly, quieter. Is that true, and are they quick enough for streaming hi-res files? Otherwise I'll just go for the Red drives. A reasonably quiet NAS would be good as it will sit in our family room. I have also looked at the HS-251 but all reports seems to show it as...
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

Timbo ·
I agree with all that has been said. However I would suggest to add a single drive backup. My setup is a QNap dual drive NAS with two WD Red drives running in a mirror pair. Attached to this is an esata single drive with another WD Red in it which contains a backup. My experience is that actual NAS enclosure electronics may fail before the drives, especially in the dry air we have in Alberta. I've never yet managed to get a pair of mirrored drives to work in another NAS box of even the same...
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Re: WD Green or Red drives

Mr Magoo ·
+1 Red They work very well in my Sinology 213J
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Dave The Bass ·
Guys, thank you all very much for your help and guidance. It's very much appreciated. I have a lot to take on board but one thing is for sure, it will involve WDRed discs! However, i am tending to using JBOD in the NAS unless you can convince me that there really is a sonic improvement in some kind of RAID arrangement. I don't believe I need RAID for backup as with fibre broadband and could backup I'm pretty well covered. But I am open to persuasion... Thanks again. DTB
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Harry ·
If you have a back up of your library, RAID is unnecessary. I do have my music collection in a RAID array plus two (one off premises) back ups. My streamed videos reside on a faster NAS and much larger discs. My video files are also comprehensively backed up but because they take up so much disc space (and are properly backed up) I store them on two JBOD arrays. It would take days to recover from a disc failure, but a complete recovery is just as possible as replacing one disc in a RAID...
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