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Upgrade Advice

Oli G ·
Hi All, It's my first post here and I know there is tons of advice out there already but I have not found my exact configuration so I hope you can help me out. I am currently running the following setup: CD5xs >> nDac >> nait xs,...
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Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

Charles44 ·
I currently use an Arcam CD192 with the Nait XS but am looking to change the cd player. My funds at the moment don't run to a  CD5XS so am am unclear what to do. Do I save or get the new CD5Si or keep the Arcam CD192 .I'm looking for some advice...
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Naim727ca ·
Anyone tried S400 with Nap200 / Nac202 combo? I listen to them at the Toronto Audio Show recently and think they are very nice and it is now on my list to get along with the NDX...' a dream ' upgrade in the future. Not sure if folks with the 282 / 250.2 will make the S400 adequately sing, or perform to its design point. Thanks.
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

mikapoh ·
The more I look at the S400, the more they glow on me. They are tall and handsome floorstanders. Certainly a dream to own them. Unless I am prepared to take them on, I would try to avoid eye-contacts with these babes BTW, I have not auditioned a pair before!
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Marley ·
Looking forward to your impressions. I was also having same thought on your setup. Heard a CD5XS and S400 into SN at a dealers place. Sounded wonderful but need to hear again as I thought the SF liuto is a good alternative as well.
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Frank Abela ·
Naim727a, The 282/hicap/250.2 is a better amplifier than the 202/200. If anything the S-400s would be holding back the amp (provided the source is in the same league). In truth, the S-400s will show a very nice step up with the bigger amp. Regards, Frank. All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

DrMark ·
Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth: A hicap is not a step up with the CD5x. It's a truly horrible combination that makes the CD player sound like it's gone mad. I changed from a CD5x to a CSD2 - now that really is an upgrade. Converting the CD5x by adding a digital output does not make it a CD5XS. It simply disables the analogue output so you cannot use it as a standalone player, and probably renders it nearly worthless should you want to sell it on. But yes, it makes a FC2x pointless.
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AMA ·
Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth: A hicap is not a step up with the CD5x. It's a truly horrible combination that makes the CD player sound like it's gone mad.
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

m0omo0 ·
Originally Posted by AMA: I recommend adding Hiline, Hicap and Powerline on a Hicap. To these ears, a Power-Line on the CD5x head is an upgrade as well, even if it has a *Cap. Even more so, I couldn't stand the Power-Line on the Flatcap until the head had one too.
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Christopher_M ·
Originally Posted by m0omo0: ....I couldn't stand the Power-Line on the Flatcap until the [CD player] had one too. Why? C.
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m0omo0 ·
Well Chris, I first introduced a Power-Line on the Flatcap and let it settle for a couple of weeks, and the result was a more precise sound but way to hard for me. Then I plugged another Power-Line on the CD head, and after another couple of weeks the sweet sound of the CD5 was restored, but with more resolution, a lower noise-floor and an even more wonderful flow. (Note that I already had a Hi-Line.) I don't know if it answers the "why" as it is only my experience, but I can be satisfied...
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Hungryhalibut ·
No.
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Adam Meredith ·
Originally Posted by BigO: Does any one know if there are any internal upgrades that can be done to CD5X
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George Fredrik ·
Post edited, as I had not managed to read "internal" in the original post. Sorry for the error. Lord E- is absolutely correct in his reply. Thanks for the highligh t Adam. ATB from George
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

Adam Meredith ·
De nada . I was only here to correct you as I was also, initially, misreading the query.
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

Richard Dane ·
I believe that apart from the possibility of offering a factory conversion to a CD transport for use with the Naim DAC, there are no other internal upgrade options offered by Naim. However, as has been previously mentioned, it's very worthwhile to consider adding a Flatcap/2/2x/2xs to the CD5x. This splits the power, so the internal transformer is then dedicated to the transport and digital sections, while the Flatcap powers the analog output stage. You can use a Hicap too, but you're...
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Adam Meredith ·
And - HiLine.
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AMA ·
Originally Posted by Richard Dane: You can use a Hicap too, but you're probably better off moving up to a CDX2 instead. Or stay with a Hicap if you prefer CD5X sweet presentation to a brighter CDX2 player -- just as I did. I recommend adding Hiline, Hicap and Powerline on a Hicap. CDX2 is a higher class player for sure -- but the voicing is a different issue and a matter of taste.
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Adam Meredith ·
Originally Posted by AMA: ...... and Powerline. That too. Fraim.
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

BigO ·
Thanks for all the inputs. I am already Flatcapped to the CD5X. I can see that a Hi Line is the only step up.
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Re: CD5X Upgrade

DrMark ·
Originally Posted by Richard Dane: I believe that apart from the possibility of offering a factory conversion to a CD transport for use with the Naim DAC, there are no other internal upgrade options offered by Naim. However, as has been previously mentioned, it's very worthwhile to consider adding a Flatcap/2/2x/2xs to the CD5x. This splits the power, so the internal transformer is then dedicated to the transport and digital sections, while the Flatcap powers the analog output stage. You can...
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Hungryhalibut ·
A hicap is not a step up with the CD5x. It's a truly horrible combination that makes the CD player sound like it's gone mad. I changed from a CD5x to a CSD2 - now that really is an upgrade. Converting the CD5x by adding a digital output does not make it a CD5XS. It simply disables the analogue output so you cannot use it as a standalone player, and probably renders it nearly worthless should you want to sell it on. But yes, it makes a FC2x pointless.
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

grahambateman ·
Guys. Anyone on here running S400 ovators . I'm using an all naim set up at the moment , with b and w floors ganders. Are the naim speakers worth auditioning , considering there price , or are there better speakers for the money. Thanks Graham
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Romjock ·
Similar dilemma. 252/300/Mac mini/nDAC/linn Ikemi into sonus Faber Cremona M floorstanders. Dealer says my naim/ linn gear exceeds what the SFs can deliver. 600s are to big but need to know whether 400s might have an incremental improvement over the SFs. Anyone have any experience of this set up? Thanks
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Frank Abela ·
Graham, it's a Naim forum. Do you really expect people to say the Naim speakers would be worse than your B&Ws or are poor value for money? As an answer I will say this. The S400s are quite a unique sound, and very different from the typical rather bass heavy B&W presentation. They're articulate and clean; some people find them engaging where others don't know what the fuss is about or can't tune in to their unusual presentation. Romjock, the Cremona-M is in the s600 class price-wise,...
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Re: Home audition of ovator s400 and cd5xs on sat!

Romjock ·
Thanks Frank Price doesn't always dictate quality - if I can get better incremental quality from lower priced speakers then why should I care? The dealers offered a trade in so if the 400s are superior in quality I should be happy - or?
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Salmon Dave ·
If you're looking for the best CD transport for the DAC, the CDX2 or the CD5XS are undoubtedly going to work best, & with BNC connection. The CDX2(2) is a little better - but I didn't think the price difference was justified for me. No doubt Unitiserve is fine as well. Then I decided to change to just using CD5XS/Flatcap XS for CD purposes (as I'm using a different DAC for other purposes). I'm enjoying it. You need to listen and decide.
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

C P ·
It works very well. I got one last month for that very reason having used my N-Vi as a digital source for a long time into my M2Tech Dac (into a 282 and 250.2). Was surprised at the improvement when I auditioned the CD5XS so I took the plunge. For a while I tried it with the internal DAC (don't have a flatcap), but found that the results through the DAC were way superior. I imagine a flatcap or hi-cap would bring huge benefits to the 5XS if I was to use it direct but I don't need it. So, in...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Felix H ·
Thanks Dave, it's good if CD5XS is not that far behind CDX2 as transport. It's hard to justify spending big time on something that still maxes out at 44.1khz/16bit, let alone for transport-only duties. Good to hear you're happy with the FlatCap setup! Thanks C P, that's also encouraging. I've tried CD5XS with the Naim DAC and also with a non-DR HiCap (although I can believe FC is more appropriate). The improvements they bring are quite different: The DAC fixes DA-conversion limitations such...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Bart ·
Originally Posted by Fedor: How about CD5XS as transport vs NDX or UnitiServe, anybody? I'm quite happy with my CD5XS as a transport, first used with a Naim Dac and today used with an NDS. I'm not sure where'd you go with an NDX or a UnitiServe; the NDX can't play cd's, and the UnitiServe would be more "over-buying" than a CD5XS as a transport; you'd not be using 95% of a UnitiServe's capabilities if you bought it as a transport. And indeed, it's not designed as a transport. Are you...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Felix H ·
Bart, with transport I mean here just any device that can provide CD-quality music data as digital input to a DAC. In the question I'm after comparative sound quality, regardless of whether it requires having to rip the material first or just press play. So how does CD5XS sound for you through your NDS, compared to streaming the same material?
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Bart ·
Originally Posted by Fedor: Bart, with transport I mean here just any device that can provide CD-quality music data as digital input to a DAC. In the question I'm after comparative sound quality, regardless of whether it requires having to rip the material first or just press play. So how does CD5XS sound for you through your NDS, compared to streaming the same material? I've never actually set up an a vs. b comparison. (I did at one point with cd5xs vs uServe playing from its hard drive,...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Felix H ·
Thanks anyway Bart - The CD5XS digital feed must be pretty good if you felt it was close to the UnitiServe S/PDIF.
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

tonfan ·
I believe that as a stand alone cd player, the cd5xs is truly excellent. The DAC inside is very good and the sound you will get combined with a powerline or a flatcap or even both is exceptional. But I don't think it's worth spending all that money to use it only as a transport. I also have serious doubts about its reliability as I already mentioned to a previous thread.
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Bart ·
Originally Posted by tonfan: I believe that as a stand alone cd player, the cd5xs is truly excellent. The DAC inside is very good and the sound you will get combined with a powerline or a flatcap or even both is exceptional. But I don't think it's worth spending all that money to use it only as a transport. I also have serious doubts about its reliability as I already mentioned to a previous thread. I agree that it's a bit expensive as 'just' a transport, but purchasing pre-owned takes some...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Felix H ·
My idea was that I'd initially use it as just a bare CDP. But tonfan you're right in that combining CD5XS with NDAC and say, XPS, with no other digital sources would make for a stupidly expensive CD player. Actually, the current NDAC is hideously expensive with ANY good transport. It seems that many on this forum have found NDX to be the best transport with it, and if I check what that combo costs in current UK list prices, with supports and Powerlines: NDX £3050 DAC £2150 2 Powerlines £930...
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Re: How does CD5XS rate as transport to DAC?

Felix H ·
...sorry forgot the BNC-BNC S/PDIF cable for the DAC. The DC1 is £250, which brings the price of the full-blown NDX/DAC setup higher than NDS.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

Felix H ·
A bare CD5XS is really nice. As the NDAC does require a good transport it will end up a more expensive solution for playing CD's (and/or not as good).
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

Bart ·
Originally Posted by Charles44: I currently use an Arcam CD192 with the Nait XS but am looking to change the cd player. My funds at the moment don't run to a CD5XS so am am unclear what to do. Do I save or get the new CD5Si or keep the Arcam CD192 . I'm looking for some advice on this my first posting on the forum. I've not heard the new CD5Si, but I'd probably want to hear both, side by side, to see if I have a preference. If you have a preference for the XS, you could save for it or find...
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

tonfan ·
Since you have a decent cd player in the same class of a cd5si I would start saving for something better like the cd5xs which is really wonderful especially combined with a Powerline or a flatcap or ideally both!
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

mutterback ·
or get an NDAC, second hand prices are dropping quite fast.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

Hungryhalibut ·
This is an easy one - get a used CD5x for sub £800, then spend £375 or so on a Flatcap 2x, which will power both the CD5x and your Nait, giving an all round improvement to both.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

ray sheldon ·
+1 Lord.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

The Strat (Fender) ·
Well until yesterday I would have said CD5XS - a superb player at any price - but when having some TLC administered to my TT at the Dr's emporium I heard the CD5Si - it wouldn't disappoint I tell you.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

joerand ·
Some things to consider with fore mentioned CDPs: CD5si - no digital output, no PSU ability, redbook CD format CD5x - no digital output, PSU upgradeable, redbook and HDCD compatible CD5XS - digital output, PSU upgradeable, redbook CD only An FC on the 5x is a cost-effective SQ upgrade and you can also apply it to the Nait XS pre amp. If you have and plan to play a lot of CDs the 5x is a good value and HDCDs have an especially well-rounded dynamic on it. I've heard the Arcam and it is a very...
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

King Size ·
The CD5XS is definitely HDCD compatible
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

joerand ·
Originally Posted by King Size: The CD5XS is definitely HDCD compatible Thanks KS, I stand corrected. Sorry, but it is not listed in the specifications on the Naim website, but now I do see the HDCD logo on the rear panel photo.
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King Size ·
No problem, joe. I think the reason it is no longer mentioned is that these days it is pretty much a legacy format. It has been many years since i've seen a new release that is hdcd encoded. To the OP. I haven't heard the new CD5Si, but the jump from my previous CD5i-2 to the CD5XS was very worthwhile.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

joerand ·
I also thought the HDCD format was no longer in use, but Neil Young's Psychedelic Pill released in 2012 was an HDCD. Most recent I have previous to that is 2008. They are well worth seeking out for their SQ.
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Re: Which cd with NaiT XS - a CD5XS or CD5Si

NickSeattle ·
Joni Mitchell stuff is recently released on HDCD. Nice! I love my CD5X / FC2X, as I often say. Nick
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