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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Massimo Bertola ·
I respect all opinions, especially when they conform to Naim's own indications. Yet, I am somehow perplexed about the whole recap thing. My old Pioneer amp is an example of unnatural longevity or is it an overlooked norm? And I am sure some are thinking that it probably sounded s**t 40 years ago so it has no reason to sound different now; but reading of a 2008 amplifier that is considered, or suspected, in need of a service, or otherwise obsolescing, is a little weird to me. My opinion only.
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Bananahead ·
As has already been stated, a service does more than simply replace capacitors. A lot of cars specify that the cam-belt should be replaced at 100km. Of course you wil find cars that still work at 200km but I would never take the chance. And you may be of the opinion that your car has a cam-chain so won't break. But these stretch and if the manufacturer specifies a replacement interval then I still follow it. My last Naim service (at about 11 years), at minimum, confirmed that it is working...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Massimo Bertola ·
True, but you don't travel at 100 MPH on your SN1. You just play music on it. M
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Innocent Bystander ·
Servicing of cars is based on wear of mechanical components, adjusting to compensate, replacing critical things before they are likely to fail causing breakdown or worse (margin of safety). Also changing lubricants that deteriorate through picking up of contaminants and breakdown of additives in the hot engine environment. With amps the only moving parts are switches and potentiometers - and interestingly as far as I am aware they don't get changed unless they are faulty. Some capacitors,...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

John Bailey ·
I've had a SN1 new since 2009. I was going to wait until 2019 before I get it serviced. For most of that time it has been used with a non-DR HiCap but after a bit of experimentation last year it has been running bare. Whilst the HC does add refinement and a bigger soundstage I concluded it somewhat lacked the raw excitement of the bare unit. A HiCap will be no substitute for a service when a service is required. And any change to the sound brought about by adding a HiCap will be purely down...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Massimo Bertola ·
Michael, I think I am the (good) friend of Christopher's.. And yes, I have a SN (my second one, actually), and my suggestion is buy a HCDR. I have had a number of HiCaps, and the addition of a HCDR really moves the SN in SN2 territory without changing the SN's more 'masculine' character. You only consider recapping (something I would not consider for gear younger than 25 years, minimum) or HiCapping, so I strongly recommend: HiCap-DR. They are already (for reasons mysterious to me) found...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

mike_f65 ·
Thanks for the response guys. My concern wrt to SQ would be that the sound gets too, well "HiFi-ish". I really appreciate the drive of the SN. But to the other question, do a HC make the caps in the SN redundant, or are still some used even with a HC? /BR Michael
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bunter ·
I was under the impression you should get your amp serviced and recapped about every ten years? My amp came back sounding better than new from a recap when about fifteen years old. No idea if the HC completely bypasses the amps capacitors. Failed capacitors can make quite a mess, I've heard. Service and recap is pretty cheap too,
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Massimo Bertola ·
Just a couple of personal opinions - I have more than once read or heard experiences from technicians who have tested 20, 30 or even 40 years old capacitors without, in many cases, finding the values significantly changed; my idea is that Naim recommends recapping old amps or power supplies after ten years or so because of their strong commitment to offering a chance to have their gear at original specs. If one can really hear the difference between the same amp with new capacitors after 15...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Hungryhalibut ·
If you get a Hicap it will not remove the need for a recap in due course. You certainly don't need to recap the amp for three or four years yet. The addition of a Hicap is something else entirely - it provides a dedicated supply for the preamp and will improve the sound. That said, for the cost of a Hicap dr you could sell the amp and get a Supernait 2. That's what I'd do.
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

ChrisSU ·
Your SN1 isn't exactly ancient, but when the time comes, I'd be a bit nervous about assuming an amp doesn't need a service just because you've got a Hicap. I can see your thinking - you don't need a recap if the caps aren't in use any more when the Hi cap takes over. But a service might replace more than just caps. Having had an old, unserviced Naim amp destroy my speaker drivers many years ago, I would err on the side of caution. Electronics isn't really my subject, so I'm happy to be...
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Christopher_M ·
Michael, I don't think your SN is ready for a recap. A good friend has a HC-DR [ not HC] on his SN and is very, very happy with its addition in terms of opening up the sound. Chris
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

Harty601 ·
Hi Michael, I had a SN1 for many years with a (non DR) HC on it - I loved it. I trialled the HC as soon as I bought the SN1 and never went back to the bare amp. For me the HC transformed the sound in almost every aspect - deeper bass, better sound stage, timing etc. I agree with Chris, I'm not sure you need to recap the SN but I'm sure you would enjoy the SQ improvements offered by the HC (Be it DR or non DR). Harty
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WTCRP ·
My naim dealer prefers the SN2 over the SN just fyi.
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Fred11 ·
+ 1 on hicap-dr. I used to have a 202-200 and with a powerline on the hicap-dr I really prefer the more analogue and almost valve-like expression of the classic integrated. Go for it! fred
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Re: Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

mike_f65 ·
Thank you all for commenting. As more or less expected adding a HC comes down to personal taste w.r.t. to SQ, I'll certainly audition before spending any money. HiFi-ish could perhaps be described as too analytical, which on records with not so good SQ results in a harsh sound that is tiring. If I understand you correctly the HC only relieve the SN pre-amp section from it's duties, i.e. recapping would still be necessary. Doesn't seem to be any consensus whether it's within a couple of years...
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Re: Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

Hungryhalibut ·
Yes, you would need a power supply for a Stageline.
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Re: Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

porterh ·
thank you.
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Armbored ·
Hi HH, Almost as lame... I've come from an olive 72/140 setup and there is no power button on the rear of the equipment (you can see where this is going, can't you?) Well, when I did the swtich on sequence as suggested, leaving the 155 until last as is normal, the Naim logo lit up when I switched it on at the wall. However, as I last resort I checked the switch at the rear... which of course was off. It must have been getting some power from the Hicap, then when I turned it on properly, the...
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Hungryhalibut ·
That's odd, the 155 never gets any power from the Hicap. Can you confirm that the 202 is connected to Socket 4 on the Hicap, and that the 155 is connected to one of the other three - the one next to socket 4 is generally considered the best one to use, as it's the shortest signal path. You haven't connected the 155 direct to the 202, have you - suspecting that you may have done.....
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Armbored ·
Hi HH, Just switched it all off and double checked the connections. All good, Hicap connected to socket 4/202 and socket 3/155. The 155 has only one DIN socket, which is connected to the Hicap. Switching on sequence; 1) NAPSC; power to preamp comes on 2) Hicap; Hicap powers up and 155 lights up. 3) NAP 155; Naim logo glows brighter. Is there something not right here? I do have one more question for you guys out there... how do I connect a Headline to all this? I was using my NAPSC for the...
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Skip ·
Start with the 202 and 155 and your source into different 202 inputs. Is there a link plug out of place? Get a sound and then add the rest. Do you have a manual? Have you read it? You should. Do you have a dealer? You should. Do you have a friend to help? These power supply hookups are not intuitive on your own. Good luck.
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Richard Dane ·
As Skip suggests, put both link plugs (round 5pin as well as paddle 4 pin) back in place on the NAC202 and start off by just powering it off the NAP. You will have just a SNAIC4 connected between NAC202 and NAP155xs. Get a sound then move to adding the NAPSC. If all well then remove the NAP from the 202, add in the Hicap to the NAC202. Connect NAP to the Hicap pre-out. Absolutely DO NOT leave the NAP still connected to the NAC when you have added the Hicap. Signals route through the Hicap...
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Frank Abela ·
Please remember to switch off everything whenever making a change! The final solution should be no link plugs in the back of the 202, as follows: NAPSC plugged into the socket marked Upgrade 1 (napsc). Hicap socket 4 (the one on the end) connected to the socket marked "Upgrade2 or link2". Use the SNAIC5 (5-pin) and the band should be at the 202 end. Hicap socket 3 (next to the preamp socket I just used above) connected to the 155. You use the SNAIC4 for this, band at Hicap end. Plug speaker...
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Armbored ·
Thanks very much everyone, Yes I removed the link plugs as I have the Hicap and the NAPSC plugged into the upgrade sockets. I will go and check them all now and see where it takes me. Cheers, Mike
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Armbored ·
PS, Where does the Snaic 5 from the Stageline go to on the 202?
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Hungryhalibut ·
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Armbored ·
Yep that's where I plugged it in HH. Still getting nothing...
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Armbored ·
Got it, all working! No thanks to my own stupidity :-) Much appreciated folks, thank you Mike
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Re: Connection problems, help please?

Hungryhalibut ·
Out of interest, what had you done wrong? Don't tell me the mute was engaged...
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Supernait 1 recapping or adding HiCap

mike_f65 ·
Dear forum, I have a Supernait mk1 from 2008 that I'm generally happy with, perhaps a little bit crowded in the middle of the sound stage and not that detailed. As I'm heading towards recapping I thought that maybe I could add a HiCap instead of recapping. Could adding a HiCap replace recapping of the SN? /BR Michael    
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Too many power supplies!!

BigO ·
My system is:CD5x powered by Flatcap2x, NAC202 powered by HiCap and NAPSC, Stageline powered by the Flatcap2x, Flatcap2x (powering the CD5x and the Stageline), HiCap powering the NAC202. NAD533 turntable I have just bought another NAPSC to conenct to...
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CB hicap control knob

dionysis ·
does anyone know where I can obtain a replacement control knob please, it's the large one with the hole to one side. any help appreciated.
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HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
I'm considering a PSU for my CD5x and the 122x pre. A FlatCap 2x/xs would be an obvious first step. But, if we disregard the cost, would a HiCap solution be better - or as some suggest - would the HiCap "overpower" the CD5x? I want to make the right...
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HiCap or FlatCap?

LaurentM ·
All, I recently moved from a CD5i (2) to a CD5 XS. I really appreciate this amazing CDP with a McIntosh 6300 and Vienna Beethowen Baby Grand speakers. I've now the option to go for an externl PSU and need some help from you guys: HiCap of FlatCap?...
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Cd5XS + nDAC + HiCap?

LaurentM ·
All, Gurus... I need your help once more.I've got today a CD5XS + nDAC and wonder how it improve to add a HiCap to this system? powering the CD5XS of course). Does anyone tested such a configuration? Many many thanks in advance.Laurent
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HiCap

BigO ·
Can my HiCap (2005) power more than one item? I currently have it powering NAC202. I also have FlatCapx2 powering a CD5X and a StageLine. I am about to upgrade from CD5X to HDX with XPS-DR. Can I dispense with the FlatCap and power the StageLine from...
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Flatcap or Napsc's

BigO ·
Following some excellent advice received from the forum, I have been thinking about an upgrade. Current Naim components are: CD5x powered by Flatcap2x, NAC202 powered by HiCap, Flatcap2x powering the CD5x and a Stageline, HiCap powering the NAC202 and the Stageline. I have been investigating the use of quality headphone that would require a Headline, which I haven’t got yet. The question posed is : would I be better off (in terms of sound quality) if I a. used two separate napsc’s to provide...
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Connection problems, help please?

Armbored ·
Hi all, Just have some lovely 'new' used equipment hooked up into my system but unable to get any sound out of it. Boxes; NAC 202, NAP 155XS, Hicap and NAPSC and Stageline. Tried to connect as per the manuals but nothing is happening. I mean everything lights up but no sound. Hmmmm. I'm aware I can connect the 202 via the 155 but as I already have the other boxes, wanted to use them to reap the extra benefit. Checked for sound with three different inputs; vinyl, CD and streamer. No joy from...
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Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

porterh ·
Hey there, new owner of a Nait 5i (I think it is the older version, without the 1/2 jack in the front plate).  I'm looking at upgrading my phono stage from the Bellari vp130 I'm currently using, and I was looking at a used Stageline (current version).  Is my understanding correct that this is only possible with this particular amp if I supply power from an external supply ( iSupply, HiCap, FlatCap)? So $300-500 for a used Stageline +  iSupply for ~225 or + HiCap (which ranges...
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New boxes have arrived

wenger2015 ·
Just taken delivery of a nac 282, Nap 250Dr, Hicap Dr to accompany my cdx2 and Sopra2's which were purchased end of last year. Set everything up last night with the assistance of my super intelligent son in law, left boxes to run through the night....all seems very good initially, I'm told the new boxes take a little time to run in... not sure how long?......I've previously been using the supernait ...which certainly worked, but I'm hoping now to be able to hear the full potential of the...
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NAP250 connection to dj-mixer

Tobias Fricker ·
Dear all, I have a question. actually I use NAC72, Hicap & NAP250. connected with NAC72 is a DJ Set - mixer DJR400 and two phono Technics MK2 are connected with the mixer. now I think about to skip the NAC72 and Hicap - I mean I like to connect the mixer DJR400 direct with NAP250. the NAP 250 has a 3-pol connection. The mixer has a chinch output. is this working? I can`t find the right cable to connect the mixer with the NAP250 would be nice if somebody can help me. Tobias
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

King Size ·
Flatcap on a CD5x/122 makes sense but the moment you add the possibility of upgrading to a 202 into the mix the Hicap moves very much into the picture. So the question you need to answer is "how far will you go?"
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Ok, but is there any sense in the view that a HiCap makes the CD5x sound crazy?
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Sloop John B ·
I had this situation earlier in my Naim history. I thought the HiCap was too much on the CD5x and the cheaper flatcap is the better option as the system sounded more balanced. The HiCap on the other hand (and napsc) really do improve the 202. But in your current situation the flatcap is the best option from my experience SJB
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

King Size ·
Who says you have to use the HiCap on the CD5x? But what Sloop says makes sense to me. I'm actually about to try a Flatcap in my system.
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Sloop John B ·
Originally Posted by King Size: Who says you have to use the HiCap on the CD5x? I would recommend it but obviously it's not mandatory. One of the more obvious upgrades in my path though. SJB
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

catalinmetal ·
with the flatcap you can power both pre and source cause it has 2 x 24V PS rails (although i recommend powering one at the time for more spottable results)... with hicap you can only power one item at a time, cause it outputs only one 24V rail... the impact on ound is more obvious with the hicap, on some records adding the flatcap into a system with either XS range or the 202, may just light a bit the stage tonally, and nothing more... i do think that for the retail price when new, it is...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by Sloop John B: I had this situation earlier in my Naim history. I thought the HiCap was too much on the CD5x and the cheaper flatcap is the better option as the system sounded more balanced. In what way was the HiCap too much? Too pronounced sound?
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

DavidDever ·
What other sources are you using with the 122x? Which power amplifier? Personally, I find the NAC 152 XS + FlatCap XS (using both sides) to be pretty compelling, relative to a standalone NAC 202–as always, your mileage may vary. Leave the CD5x as it is–it may be the next thing you upgrade or replace altogether.
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