Tagged With "blu-ray"

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Spiritual successor to the Naim n-vi

School Bully ·
Hi since the regrettable (but understandable) decision not to follow on the n-vi. I would be really interested to know anyone's opinion on the spiritual successor to this fantastic box! I really like the compact size, great picture and great...
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Re: Spiritual successor to the Naim n-vi

Vaughn3D ·
I would love to see a UnitiBlu...
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Re: Spiritual successor to the Naim n-vi

GreenAlex ·
I have to say I much prefer what Naim does to their amps (in this case AV preamps) to what they do to sources. For some reason the software in their preamps is far more stable than that of their sources. So rather let others manufacture the source and let Naim make the AV3
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SACD/CD/BLU-RAY-player or transport into Naim DAC-V1

Erlend ·
Hi! Even though I've ripped all my music to hard drives, I would like to have a player or transport to play cd's blu-ray-discs or even sacd's directly through my DAC-V1. Of course I'd like it to output unconverted dsd-audio from sacd through a digital co-axial connection or even BNC. Does anyone know if such a player or transport even exist? Please enlighten me.
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Brubacca ·
I beleive that HDMI is the only accepted way to transmit SACD info to a DAC. The standard doesn't allow Coax to do this. Oppo Blue Ray players are excellent, but they convert SACD to PCM over the Coax.
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Re: SACD/CD/BLU-RAY-player or transport into Naim DAC-V1

Peter Dinh ·
Not true, dsd64 works with the Naim DAC via coax. SACD audio is dsd64. I think Naim DAC V1 should be fine with dsd64 via coax as well (based on its spec), also I think that with async USB, you should not have any issue with dsd128 into the Naim DAC v1.
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tonym ·
Brubacca is correct; although the V1 is able to accept DSD files, no SACD player will transmit a DSD signal through anything but HDMI.
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Adam Zielinski ·
Correct - copyright protection means that SACD players can only output PCM over it's digital connections. I'd recommend Oppo 105 - a very versatile player, with excellent DACs if you'd like to plug it directly to your amp.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Are you sure that is the reason? You might find that it's because until recently with the advent of the DoP kludge there was no way of sending a delta sigma bit stream (DSD) via a consumer digital interface such as SPDIF and as far as I aware HDMI also sends as DoP. Simon
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Adam Zielinski ·
Good point Simon. That is the reason stated in the Oppo manual. To be honest I think it's a bit rubbish - if DSD can be sent via HDMI so why not via Optical or Coaxial....
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Re: SACD/CD/BLU-RAY-player or transport into Naim DAC-V1

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Adam, I just edited my previous post, I think HDMI also sends DSD in PCM stereo sample words (DoP).. but yes if this is so then equally DSD64 can be sent on a regular SPDIF interface. It might be the SACD players don't have the chipsets to support this ... yet ... if demand was higher I'm sure they would. There might be the possibility of HDMI device authentication of course.. But I can't remember whether that was for video or the entire interface. Technically give me SPDIF over HDMI any...
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tonym ·
IIRC, the only way to extract the DSD stream from SACD is to use an modified older model Sony Playstation. I second the recommendation for Oppo 103/105 disc players - excellent meachines, and great product support.
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jfritzen ·
AFAIK there are only two ways to get at the digital hi-res content of an SACD: Rip the SACD with certain old, hacked PlayStations (must support SACD and must not be newer than a certain firmware level to allow for the hacking) Some SACD players convert DSD to hi-res PCM on the fly when using HDMI as output. There are HDMI switches (eg Octava) that reportedly can extract that signal via TOSLINK.
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Jude2012 ·
Agree that the only apparantly legal method of ripping an SACD (i.e.to get an .iso file) is via the the PS3 method. Once the .iso file is on your computer, IME Audirvana - Macs only- can play them natively or converted to PCM into the V1 (with latest firmware). I guess there are other software players for PC and Mac that could do this. Plenty of stuff on the web about the method of using PS3 to rip. Jude
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Re: SACD/CD/BLU-RAY-player or transport into Naim DAC-V1

Brubacca ·
It was the original PS3 with a older firmware that allowed a customized Linux to be run on it. These machines can rip a SACD.
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Peter Dinh ·
I see, sorry for the incorrect statement, never owned a SACD player. However, it looks like it is not a technical issue, just a copyright one, but it seems to me that it is very silly not to support dsd via coax.
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Erlend ·
Thanks for all replies! I agree indeed that it's all too silly to deny dsd playback through digital coax because of copyright problems. One shouldn't have to go through all the bother of old PS3's and firmwares and what not to be able to get the best possible playback from a disc bought and paid for. Shame on Sony or whoever for that. I guess I 'll have to look for a good universal player with a good dsd-dac then. What other options than Oppo 105? Do they convert to 88,2 or 176,4 kHz...
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Adam Zielinski ·
What exactly do you mean by 'convert'? Oppo is a player / renderer of HiRes audio up to 192 kHZ / 24 bit or DSD64....
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Erlend ·
I mean that if the digital output is a 24-bit pcm signal instead of a direct stream 1-bit signal, then the output ought to have a sample rate of 88,2 kHz or 176,4 kHz. Maybe I have misunderstood, but wouldn't the player's internal dac have to convert the sacd signal first?
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Some current popular quality DAC chips such as from TI can operate with either PCM or Delta Sigma bit streams and so no sample data format conversion is required.
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sjbabbey ·
The SACD player's internal DAC would do what all DACs do i.e. convert the digital signal to an analogue signal.
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Erlend ·
OK. Thanks. So if I use such a player with a sacd record and feed it into my DAC-V1 by digital coax or optical cable, what format will my dac recognize the feed it is given? Will it recognize it as pcm or dsd? When I feed it through usb the display always tells the sampling rate if it's given pcm and if it's dsd64 or dsd128 if given dsf-files.
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Erlend ·
I see, but my DAC-V1 has only digital inputs, so I couldn't take the analog signal from the SACD player. I will have to make do with what's fed from the digital outputs.
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Erlend ·
Wouldn't it just be nice or even perfect if Naim came up with a multidisc transport in the same shoebox format as the dac-v1 and nap100 that would enable playback of CDs as well as SACDs, Pure Audio Blu-Rays and DVD-As? With BNC output and all.
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Adam Zielinski ·
The signal will be PCM.
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Aleg ·
I'm not up-to-date with current players, but indeed due to copyright issues, PCM output used to be limited to 48kHz
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Eloise ·
Another possibility... Audiopraise Vanity HD board fitted to an Oppo 103/105, can be configured to send SACD via DoP over SPDIF to a compatible DAC (such as the DAC V1). As I understand it, the HDMI limitation is down to the insistence of copy protection which has never been implemented on SPDIF. A few manufacturers created digital links using FireWire or Cat5 cabling.
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Aleg ·
I believe it was the other way around HDMI was unlimited because it requires a handshake protocol between two devices which agree upon which resolution to use in the exchange. This allows for some protection that a 'legitimate' AV-device is taking the HDMi-signal like Av-receivers. It was with the SPDIF interfaces that no inherent protection was available and PCM over SPDIF was limited to 48 kHz sample rate. There are indeed several HDMI-splitters that will allow splitting off the digital...
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Eloise ·
@Aleg... I think I worded that badly. i was meaning the "limitation where HDMI is required to pass DSD digitally"
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Jude2012 ·
Not sure what you mean by 'player'. If it's an SACD/Universal player, then the limitations discussed by Eloise and Aleg would be relevant. If it's a software player (like Bitperfect or Audirvana) , it depends on whether these are set to send DSD files via DoP (I.e. sending the DSD file that appears as PCM to the V1) or natively (the V1 sees a .dsf file, for example) - if a PCM file is seen a sample rate will be displayed, otherwise 'DSD64' will be for a ripped SACD track. J
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New to Naim. Need Blu Ray to Nait5 help.

Ref ·
Hello all. I recently purchased a used Nait5 system that consists of the pieces below. Naim Nait5 Naim NAP200 Naim Ariva speakers w/cables Naim Flatcap2 Naim Stageline Phono N Naim Nat05 Tuner Rega P3 w/Elys 1 cartridge Rega Ear headphone amp I'll try and keep this short and concise... I had to order a 4pin-to-5pin to send signal from the Stageline to the Nait5. It was missing when I bought the system. In the meantime I thought I'd set up the Nait5 with the Stageline/Rega, my Arcam BDP and...
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Re: New to Naim. Need Blu Ray to Nait5 help.

Christopher_M ·
Ref, in the simplest case, Snaic 5 (that comes with Stageline) plugged into Aux2 will give you sounds from records. If the Arcam BDP has RCA output then RCA to 5 pin DIN into any other input should work. If you want a more sophisticated approach, you power the Stageline from the unused power out of the FC2 and and take the signal back to the Nait 5 with your 4-5 interconnect. This plugs into any other input, apart from Aux2. Chris
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Ref ·
Chris, Thanks for the input. I'll give it a shot this eve. R.
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best movie setup with Uniti Atom?

dfeldman ·
I've just purchased a Uniti Atom to replace an aging home theater setup, and am taking the opportunity to reconsider how I watch (and listen to) movies, especially those I have on Blu-Ray. In addition to the Atom I currently have a Sharp Aquos TV; a 2011 Mac Mini that's been acting as a home server; an Xbox One; a 4th-gen Apple TV; and a 2009ish Panasonic Blu-Ray player that probably cost like $200 at the time. Each device runs HDMI out to the TV, which then runs optical to the Atom. To...
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Re: best movie setup with Uniti Atom?

David Haworth ·
Hello, I don't yet have any naim products, but I have an atom on order (I'm being given a due date of Feb atm for a HDMI one). I'm also moving from 5.1 to stereo and have been running my denon amp in 2.1 for a few months now in prep. I have a cheap sony bluray and an appletv plugged into my LG tv and I have some apps o the tv itself which seem to work well. I'm sure the optical connection will work fine, though I'd investigate getting the HDMI card for your atom if you don't have one. This...
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dfeldman ·
Thanks David for the comprehensive reply. Some additional thoughts and questions in response: I wonder if my original assumption is actually a good one: Do I gain quality finding a source for view Blu-Rays other than the Xbox? I've now done some side-by-side comparison between the actual Blu-Ray in the Xbox and the ripped version in Kodi, and I'm not sure how much difference there is. The motion might be a little smoother in Kodi, the picture a little less grainy, but I could also be fooling...
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David Haworth ·
Evening! 1. I think it's an "it depends". I think video sources are a lot better than they used to be, especially for HD/4k content where the flaws are a lot smaller. you could spend a lot of money for a marginal increase in video quality. I use a cheap sony bluray player for the few occasions when I bust out a bluray. I don't currently think it's worth it to me anyway. 2. that's a shame. I find HDMI-CEC and ARC to be useful things. good excuse to buy a new tv? 3. well, bear in mind that...
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David Haworth ·
oh, I forgot.. 4. Yes, you can do a one-time transcode. for video files I always used a tool called handbrake. it has presets for apple devices but you can set up your own. the video convert may not be lossless but there aren't any common lossless video codecs. pretty much all video is lossy as otherwise it would take up an unholy amount of data. However doing it beforehand and letting it take as long as it needs to is going to produce better results than transcoding on the fly. 5. you may...
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ChrisSU ·
Quiet a few people, myself included, have had problems with HDMI to the Atom. Sometimes it doesn't work at all, sometimes it does. Whether or not it starts up automatically when the TV is turned on is hit and miss. And lip-sync is way out, despite my best efforts to adjust it on both the TV and the Atom. Naim are aware of the issues, and may be able to fix them, but I suspect it will not be easy.
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David Haworth ·
As I understand it, the atom (or any uniti I suppose) will only accept HDMI-CEC commands (such as power on/off) when it has the HDMI input selected, hence you've got to set it to the HDMI input before you switch it off if you want it to come on with the TV. it also does no automatic input switching due to CEC either. While I've not had issues with lipsync, I had quite a lot of problems with the HDMI input locking onto the audio from the TV, sometimes having to switch inputs or turn it off...
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dfeldman ·
David, what do you mean by "locking onto the audio from the TV?" I've been wondering about getting the HDMI card for the Atom (and perhaps it sounds like I should wait, but...) As previously mentioned, my TV is too old to support HDMI-CEC. Will it at least be able to turn on the Atom and/or switch it to the TV input when I turn on the TV? Also, returning to the original topic: While it seems there's no way to go through Plex and its iOS/Xbox/AppleTV apps without transcoding a ripped Blu-Ray,...
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David Haworth ·
CEC has been around for some time now, so it's worth checking if your TV does support it. I think that with Sharp's it was called "aquos link", but it's basically CEC. If your TV doesn't support CEC then it might not support ARC in which case, the HDMI port would be of little use to you I think. If your TV does have CEC and ARC support, then you can plug the atom into the TV's HMDI-ARC port (it should be labelled as such) and set the atom to it's HDMI input, config the TV to output audio via...
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Re: best movie setup with Uniti Atom?

dfeldman ·
I'm 90% confident my TV doesn't have CEC / Aquos Link. Or at least I wasn't able to find any evidence that it does—and it's from 2007, so pretty old in TV years. The setup I have now is exactly what you described: optical out from TV to Atom. It works well generally, though occasionally one or both speakers will cut out. (I just filed a report of that with Naim.) But what I was hoping is that when I turn on the TV, the Naim will input-switch automatically to HDMI so I can avoid fiddling with...
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Re: best movie setup with Uniti Atom?

David Haworth ·
That behaviour where the TV switches on and switches inputs on the amp is exactly what I wanted the HDMI equipped atom to do, and exactly what my 7 year old denon receiver already does very reliably! the atom will do remote switch on and react to the tv remote's volume presses, but it won't switch from other inputs. Naim have no plans to implement HDMI input switching as, to use their words, "it is not simply a soundbar and as such it is expected for it to behave as an audio system and not a...
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SB955i ·
I wouldn't be so quick to let Naim off. A better solution would be for Naim to allow the owner, the purchaser, to decide whether they want input switching on HDMI, and set a menu option as they prefer. Their 'not a soundbar' comment is a bit pompous and not in tune with the market in any way. Why bother with the HDMI card at all in that case..just for volume control? Come on Naim!
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Re: best movie setup with Uniti Atom?

David Haworth ·
well, that comment of mine was more directed at the forum users really. I'm a newbie here and very much at the lower end of money spent. I don't want to annoy people who have been fans of the brand for years with my unwanted opinions (unusual on the internet I know). I'm probably not Naim's key demographic and as Naim have survived for quite a while, they *should* know what their users want. I actually agree with you and thought that Phil's comment was snobbish and elitist. I gave him a...
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SB955i ·
I don't think you need to worry about offending anyone here as such. You were a customer as much as anyone and you had a voice here. Naim presumably did, set the forum up to solicit and support interaction with their most engaged customers.. Hopefully they listen and realize their fallibilities with grace, as any good company does. To ignore such a creative, engaged, seasoned and thoughtful user experience group would be a huge mistake on their part. I understand a feature...
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David Haworth ·
While in an ideal world, I agree with you, I can't help but chuckle at this.. I'm also have some Meridian kit and I think it's been more than a decade since they took the slightest bit of notice of the hitchhikers forum.. Actually, what I have found a touch annoying is that apparently I'm the only person in the whole world (well, not quite, but you know) to have spotted the problems here. I do my homework and have read every single review of these devices that's available either online or in...
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Mjoy0500 ·
I'm with you David. I have an Atom with the HDMI board (which I installed after purchase since it wasn't available in HDMI at first in Canada) and am somewhat disappointed in the HDMI implementation. The sound is great, I use Airplay and Spotify Connect without a hitch. I luckily haven't had the issue that some other users have had with audio dropping out after a period of time when using the HDMI port. However I have the same frustrations that the Atom does not automatically switch on when...
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SB955i ·
I get the same results as you. Everyone, please ensure you're putting in a feature request in through the support option on the app. The more requests they get, I would think the better.
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