Sonos Connect / ZP90 connected to ethernet, digital out to NDAC. Constant dropouts trying to stream cd quality from both Tidal and Qobuz, so given up there. 2 weeks into a Deezer trial and not had any issues . . . So far anyway, and with the free boost in quality from the NDAC firmware upgrade I'm a happy camper!
hi Diggerbj I'm interested in the way you are using "Tidal via my iPad directly plugged into the front USB of my nDAC". I'd always thought of this interface as being for FAT-formatted USB sticks or iPod devices. Seems like an easy way to trial! What streaming software & settings are you using to drive Tidal out through the USB connection?
I would check internet connectivity and prioritisation. No Tidal or Qobuz dropouts on my Sonos .. Using BT Broadband 4Mbps connection and QoS on my router to prioritise up stream traffic ( from my router into the Internet Provider Edge) for my media players (NDX and Sonos)
the older Apple TV also provides and optical output and has the same airplay capability as the old airport express. I use one to great effect, fantastic really. I used the miss the airplay functionality of my Linn DS Sneaky (but not the sound quality which I found lacking in PRAT), but the apple TV more than makes up for it, since it can natively play youtube videos without any latency issues
+1 Set this up on a HDX-SSD just this weekend using a SH ZP90 from that well known auction site (widely available) and a RA D60 digital interconnect Mostly good results but I have found it can vary (is it just me?), sometimes the music is just slightly underwhelming and just short of a good CD rip/DL Still in TIDAL trial and clearly early days but so far no dropouts (which if at all I would expect to be due to the end service as I have ~70MB BW)
My Sony Walkman will play music from its internal memory, over WiFi from my Unitiserve, and from Tidal and other web streaming services. The Tidal app is synced across all devices I use it on, including the Naim app. Best of all, sound quality is streets ahead of an iPod. (It wasn't cheap, though.) I still but CDs too. I'm not intending to keep Tidal after the trial ends, it's not worth it just for music discovery.
Couple of slimline answers to your questions Stefan. 1) Essentially they are the same, except that you can get CD quality with Tidal. The UI is different and some prefer the curated playlists you get with Spotify. Personally I much prefer Tidal, especially with the way it is integrated into the Naim app. Much nicer to use. 2) Thats my issue with streaming services too. If I never buy another CD relying solely on streaming services, one day if my personal circumstances change and I can no...
Hi Stefan, my view is that streaming is great and with Tidal and with the new firmware that Naim are developing it should sound even better. It is also a good user experience integrated to the Naim app. Is it a replacement for domestic local streaming or CD? I say no. As good as Tidal is now sounding.. The streamer servers are huge industrial affairs.. The data often spits out in inconsistent bursts.. inevitably when our Naim is rebuilding this data to extract the media it produces low level...
I've only had Tidal running for a month or so, and have found quite a few gaps in the music available. I had assumed that library would expand over time to include missing albums, mainly back catalogue items, in addition to the new music being posted on a daily basis. Am I being unrealistically optimistic?
........ errr I think that might be the case Dave If you like jazz, classical or even the classic rock stuff, Tidal is not for you (at the moment) What do I mean by "classical rock" go look for Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, a classic if there ever was one. The one & only Tidal copy looks like an iTunes special with other tracks from other PF albums added at the end, & the DSOTM section does not play gapless correctly, & its not CD quality.
Thanks so much to everybody - I guess we can declare this thread now to be the semi-authentic naim guide to domestic/local and remote (service-based) streaming varieties! I'm relieved that my tendency for posessing CDs is not as old-fashioned as I thought, despite the interesting off-line mode of Tidal - thanks Chrish! (as you implied, these downloads seem to live within the Tidal app and would vanish without subscription or without Tidal's existence, unlike my option 4 ...). Cheers, Stefan
It seems that most people - including me - are using Tidal as an additional service rather than replacing their owned collection (whether that be vinyl, CD or digital storage). I find it very good for listening to new music, the odd song where I don't want the whole album or reminding myself of music I've heard in the past. But if I know I want to listen to an album again and again, I'll still buy it. I would hate my music collection to disappear if Tidal does, or if I choose to cancel my...
Stefan, have a look at qobuz as they will stream in CD quality as well! I couldn't hear a difference between streaming and ripped CD here. You may be aware of their financial situation (really hope they'll survive) -their catalog is great! ralf
No worries Stefan. By the way, the offline mode is also available with Spotify, just for info. I think maybe for the younger generation who haven't grown up owning their own music, continuing not to own any physical media and streaming exclusively using the streaming services model will not present any drawbacks for them. I think for the rest of us that have grown up with vinyl and CDs and owning our own, the future will be a hybrid of physical and streaming services, there is space and a...
An older (rectangular-shaped) Apple Airport Express, using a mini-optical to standard Toslink cable, should do the trick. The AirPort Express can connect via Ethernet (preferred) or via Wi-Fi. I use this in a bedroom system using an n-Vi (which maxes out at 44.1 / 48 kHz SPDIF) with great results.
Nudgerwilliams, good news man , your advice was correct. I changed the default setting from my Ipad and now Tidal premiun version works. I'm listening the Beatles from my Unitilite version AAC 44.1kHz 323kb/s, not bad Thank you
I'm pretty sure it's correct that you need to use the HiFi version with a Naim streamer. You could confirm this by signing up to the 3 month free trial, which should then work. If you have an Airport Express on your network you could connect this to your streamer with an optical lead and stream Tidal Premium from an iPhone or iPad.
The other thing to check is the Quality setting in the app. If the Tidal integration will work at lower quality levels, then I would guess the setting will need to match the quality level in your subscription. It defaults to HiFi I believe. In the app go to Settings - Input Settings - Tidal - Quality. David
Hi Everyone, Happy New Year, and thanks for your comments on this thread. But a very big thanks to Nudgerwilliams for his reply and I feel such an idiot for not checking these settings. I was so keen having loaded v 4.4 on my unitilite that I dived straight in to Tidal and got zero out! I have since taken the three month free subscription at HiFi quality and it is A-mazing but I just cant afford it at the moment so I will revert to premium at the end of the trial period. I did research...
+1, my view is the same. Like it and use it a lot - and a tip: i signed up for Roon as a trial, Roon can then recommend a list of worthy albums to make up one's library which now is part of "My Music" on Tidal, even though i have discontinued Roon
I think I'll stick with Tidal. With streaming I do think the SQ is more than acceptable. Tidal also offer most of my preferred music so I'm happy with it! Oh also the integration with the Naim app is pretty slick! Btw my subscription for Tidal HiFi is only $HKD96 roughly 7.40 pounds per month. I saw that some of you are paying 20 pounds? Just curious if there are regional pricing difference and when will Tidal raise the price for HK.
If you base you music purchases on the people involved in the "supply chain" I'd suggest you bin your system and find yourself some gregorian chanters My attempt at humour aside, I agree that the launch event did little to endear Tidal to people.
Great shot, I think that moment of madonna demonstrating how "cool" she was by breaking the convention of standing or sitting at a table to sign a contract was a real seminal moment in the history of music for me.
I've decided to stay with Tidal for the moment and see how things go. The classical selection really isn't that bad, the main problem being the often abysmal metadata which sometime doesn't even identify a work or composer. A big plus for me is being able to explore alternative versions of a particular work without having to buy a lot of CDs or downloads. I usually end up buying the version I couldn't live without. I mostly listen through Roon, using the optical input to my SU, so dropouts...
Still with full fat Tidal - though I would prefer Quobuz if Naim ever integrates it with my SU. Tidal sounds pretty much indistinguishable from rips on my system and they have a lot (though not all) of the music I like. Not liking jazz (except for late Miles Davis) and classical helps. In the context of what many of us spend on hifi, the £20 a month is trivial - the cost of a single SL interconnect would pay the sub for 6 years!
Like Pev, I've stuck with it. I find the sound quality pretty good and I'm not suffering drop-outs. Indeed, it's now my main listening source, so I can hear Blackstar and loads of Beatles albums at roughly CD quality. Also like Pev, I'd prefer Qobuz for its better classical range - and access to booklets - but Tidal is nowhere near as bad in this respect as the Fishy one keeps claiming. I'd estimate about 80% as good as Qobuz, which is not good enough but certainly not 'woeful'.
I've given up with steaming in general. I have migrated back to my old ways with FM radio & iRadio for daytime listening & a specific radio program or most often local NAS streaming. Tidal does not carry my kind of music, its not been the most reliable, the odd occasion I wanted to listen to an album to hear if its a worthwhile purchase they either didn't have it or it was MP3.
I gave up after the three month trial. Main issue is that realised I prefer ownership to rental whether that be CD or download. Ownership somehow gives me more emotional attachment to the music probably as I have spent my own hard earned cash on it. Tidal sound quality was good but not quite as good as a CD rip. Didn't really discover much new music and probably discovered more on Paradise or BBC 2/3/6 over the same period. I did use it to check out a few prospective purchases, which helped...
Sticking with it for now - hoping that the (mainly evening) drop-outs will be fixed with the next firmware. Although SQ not quite as good as a streamed WAV file, Its become my main listening source due to the sheer volume of stuff available to explore (if only ECM had a deal with Tidal). What I really like and what I would really miss without it is the ability to instantly listen to recommendations at good SQ. I generally listen to albums for a much greater time period now before buying the...
I have stuck with it - think the sound quality (of most tracks) is pretty good on my 272 and I particularly enjoy reading a review of an album and then (9 times out of 10) being able to listen to it on Tidal. If it's something I really like then I will buy it through my Qobuz sublime account if a Hi Res version is available. I appreciate I could do the same with Spotify - but the SQ is so awful it seems a waste of a great system. Whilst the above is an expensive way to "consume" music, there...
I haven't renewed, the drop outs killed it for me, couldn't really give it an extended trial. Definitely much better sound quality than Spotify (obviously) but not sure its worth the money. Maybe we will a get a chance to try again once the drop outs are eradicated
I have 1 month to go, but I will be ditching it in favour of Spotify Premium which I get free through my mobile phone contract. Spotify is adequate for Sonos in the non-Naim rooms and for general background music (I have a Sonos Connect into my UnitiQute). If I want to "listen" to music, I am working my way through ripping all my CDs to WAV
Tidal s unlistenable to on my unitilite as it drops out constantly. Does anybody know why? I am listening to it through the Naim app and my BT internet is running at 49mbps. No probs watching 4k netflix. Ever.
I currently have both Tidal hifi and Spotify premium (the latter on a long term subscription that will end next month) and I will stay with Tidal despite the extra cost. On SQ basis there currently is no contest and my 272 suffers only very occasional dropout and probably just as much on Spotify as it does on Tidal. The thing I will miss with Spotify is the much more user friendly search function especially with classical music.
I get the impression a lot of people are thinking Tidal is to blame for the drop outs but just to repeat I get frequent drop outs using my 272 but none if I stream from my mac into the Hugo I have on loan. It worries me that the underlying spec of the Naim streamers is not up to the job. Here's hoping the new firmware does the trick.
I've used Spotify and Deezer for several years, and currently I have a premium account with Deezer, together with the Tidal trial. The sound quality is definitely better on Tidal, but at the end of the trial I'll probably ditch it. Overall I just think the Deezer app and service is much more mature and enjoyable to use. Their suggested playlists, artists and albums are better tailored to my listening preferences than either of the other two, and their catalogue is also one of the best. I...
Deezer does seem to have a bigger catalogue. It was fairly rare that Tidal had nothing on offer from any particular artist, but sometimes there would only be a few tracks, whereas Deezer seeme to have a longer list of albums available.
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