Hi Guys, Thnx for all your tips&tricks plus off-topic discussions ;-). I have not decided yet, total price (including DR upgrade) will be €3600 euro (= £2652). Meanwhile I will just enjoy my 272/250DR and think about it. Rik
Wonderful to have a grand piano but not a good idea to have the Hi-Fi in the same room because the latter could excite resonances in the piano strings. You might have the piano playing along unintentionally! Going back to your OP, you might like to consider PMC speakers. With many speakers, the bass seems to disappear at low volumes. Not so with PMC. I would also recommend them very highly for the genres of music that you listen to.
I've only heard S400's at a dealer's, driven by Naim amplification. The attribute that most impressed me was their commanding sound at low volume. They retain a dynamic presence played low that no other speaker I've heard can match. That was years ago when I considered them way out of my league. Now a s/h pair is on my demo horizon. It will be interesting to see if my listening room can capture that same magic.
Hi, although not the DR version of the 250, I find ATC SCM 19 mk ii work exceedingly well with the 250 at low volume.. much of my very late night listening is done at lower volume.. They also sound good at mid and high volume too i am impressed how well the 250 works with many speakers at low volume, with the 200 I found I had to wind it up a bit with my ATCs.. Must be something to do with the control, grip and resolution of the 250. Simon
I find that the Spendor SP2s work well in that regard. (And it's not a brand loyalty thing either, because the Spendor A5s are just the opposite!) However it woulds be a good idea to give a lot more information Location (room size) Equipment (UQ2 ... 500 series?) Genres of music etc. Then you may get some useful answers. P.S. SP2s are very easy to drive and will work on a UQ2 even though they're twice the cost of a UQ2!
I haven't heard them on the end of that system but one of the reasons I chose my Focal 926s was that sq was still excellent at low volume (and at high volumes too when they just seem to get louder without the overall sound changing too much)
Neat speakers are very communicative at all volume levels. I'm most familiar with the momentum range SX3i / SX51 which would work very well with 272/250. This isn't a recommendation based on personal ownership though, I like to play at reasonable levels and have Dynaudio Contours which need some welly to come to life.
I am only a week into using a pair of Ovator s600's having had a pair of the S400's previously but they do seem very good at low as well as high volumes. They are able to create a very large and detailed sound at a low volume. They may even stop me getting into trouble with SWMBO!
Steve, apologies I just realise you specified your equipment in the thread title. The new forum is just so messed up that a for a dyslexic such as myself, it's almost impossible to pick up on things like that.
My Kudos X2s are certainly the best speakers I've owned for low volume listening - not that I've owned that many. I think the ability of the power amp to control the speakers is equally important at low volumes, but I'm sure you're on safe ground with your 250DR. Are your current speakers a problem in this respect?
Fair point but don't leave me now ....................you will miss me! The room is about 7m x 5m, carpeted and furnished in a rather attractive colour combination, where the red accents match my bloodshot eyes! However, I may move it all into another room 6m x 6m that has, amongst other things, a bloody great big grand piano against one wall. I listen to most genres, with a strong emphasis on Piano music of all types; closely followed by Jazz, Classical, Blues and Female Vocals but...
The S400's that we had previously were also good at low volume but the S600's are even better as one would expect. The S600's have a much greater 'out of the speaker' sound to them and work a lot better in off-axis situations. They just seem to fill the room with music even at low volume levels. We will often listen to music whilst having dinner in our dining room which leads off from the room with system in and the sound depth and detail is very good in there also. Once again the S400's...
Considering an electrostatic loudspeakers? I use Quad 2812 with your configuration with great pleasure and especially with the music genders you mention are very good. ESL are quite expansive, not for all. But there are around very good used pairs of old models. Even ex-demo with warrant from certified dealers.
Thanks very much all the replies! I have the SN2 and I'm looking for the right upgrade path which would be the following: 1: 250DR 2: trade up SN2 to 272 3: XPS How does it look, what do you guys think?
My current source is Macbook Pro USB / Chord DAC. SN2/NDX/XPS costs very similar compared to 272/250/XPS and even though I never had a chance to A/B test them so let me know if I' wrong but I guess the 272/250/XPS combo is a better package with a very similar price so that's why I'm considering.
Do you intend keeping the same source or will you be buying a NAS and/or switching to streaming? If staying with the Mac/DAC (which Chord DAC?), have you considered going with a 282/HCDR/250DR? BTW what speakers do you have?
the DR amps do change (according to me) the source first rule. These DR amps have so little noise and distortion (basically, none) they can get the best of a 272 level source/preamp. there is no way I would ever buy an NDX/SN2 instead of 272/250DR.
Don't think I'm trying to put you off the 272: I'm listening to mine right now and it's absolutely brilliant, and will be miles better than a Qute into a Supernait 2. I was simply intrigued as to why you'd swap to it from a Chord DAC and the SN2.
Your right in that the 272/250/XPS Seems like a better package than SN2/NDX/XPS as you have more options to upgrade at a later date.. Although there may be some differences in sound and presentation, and also perhaps a preference for the SN2 options with your speakers and saving yourself from upgrade nervosa.
Won't getting the 272 (a streaming preamp with its own built-in DAC) make the Chord 2qute DAC redundant? If you're going down the 272/XPS/250DR path, using the 272 as your streamer you might be better served by selling your existing DAC to help fund your upgrade and buy a NAS for your music files.
I know I know, I love your comments and you already helped me a lot! The reason why I'd swap it is because I've tested the 272/300DR and blew my mind however it is way more than I can spend ATM but I would go on this path with the 272/250DR for the near future and adding the XPS DR later. It would be even better if it's achievable with SN2.
The SN power amp is never going to be as good as the 250DR, so there are going to be swings and roundabouts. The 272/250 is very neat and tidy and you get to control your music with the very good Naim app. You need to try the two interfaces (that, and however you control your Mac) to see which you (and anyone else who uses the system) prefer. You could of course get the 272 first, and sell the dac, and then swap the SN2 for a 250DR, as an alternative. Don't forget that for an amazingly cheap...
Interestingly, I am going to try and demo a 2qute to run into my 272. I know it sounds odd but I really want to run Roon and the digital in on the 272 is not giving a good sound from the Mac Mini. I'll try and borrow one and let you know how it sounds.
I'm not an expert on this streaming stuff but here's my take. The 272 is an excellent solution but it really needs a XPS to bring out its best. If you are looking for a 3 or 4 box system as a permanent solution with no further upgrade potential then combined with a 250 or 300 DR then it's just the ticket. However, to these ears a NDX/XPS/282/HC/250 is a considerably richer musical experience. So IF you intend further upgrades in the future I would seriously consider a NDS/XPS with your SN.
The NDX and 282 system has six boxes, four mains leads and costs about £6,000 more. It's certainly better, but the fact that the 272 system is simple and harder to upgrade is very much a positive to me. On its own spur, a nice stand and with Powerlines and Superlumina wires, it makes a very convincing setup.
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