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bicela ·
I'm wondering if it will comes with remote. 175 have?
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likesmusic ·
Originally Posted by nbpf: But both MPD and UPnP currently lack support for customizable tags .This is the common and most crucial limitation. Both MPD and UPnP are acceptable for occasional listening and mass consume of musical contents. They are fine for playing background music in a shop, for instance. But the view of a music collection they present to the user is hardly less primitive than the view presented by an iPod or an MP3 player. Even for classical music, let apart opera or more...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by likesmusic: Originally Posted by nbpf: But both MPD and UPnP currently lack support for customizable tags .This is the common and most crucial limitation. Both MPD and UPnP are acceptable for occasional listening and mass consume of musical contents. They are fine for playing background music in a shop, for instance. But the view of a music collection they present to the user is hardly less primitive than the view presented by an iPod or an MP3 player. Even for classical...
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DavidDever ·
? MPD is a much lower-level implementation of a player / renderer queue, but there's very little functionally different once you press play, and you have the same issues with network bandwidth and sound quality over wired vs wireless that you have with anything else.... As for customizable tags, how would one consume them over an abstracted interface? Search by tag? Browse tree (add node for each tag)? None of this is very well defined for network consumption but probably works fine if you...
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jfritzen ·
Originally Posted by nbpf: Originally Posted by DavidDever: If UPnP / DLNA servers are so substandard by your measure, why was mpd-dlna incorporated into MPD (from version 0.19 onward)? Must have been some sort of demand for that functionality....? But both MPD and UPnP currently lack support for customizable tags. This is the common and most crucial limitation. Both MPD and UPnP are acceptable for occasional listening and mass consume of musical contents. They are fine for playing...
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Daunt ·
Reading back on this topic I realise I may be an exception to the rule in soe respects.questions of the relevance and appropriateness of the 272 are fair enough, ultimately it's horses for courses as it were, some will choose to buy for perfectly sound (sic) reasons and others not and that's that really. As for the filing and access of music I must, I realise be a flawed personality. A friend, a Windoze ser constantly rattles on about awful iTunes and I never really understand what irks him...
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Daunt ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: Reading back on this topic I realise I may be an exception to the rule in some respects. Questions of the relevance and appropriateness of the 272 are fair enough, ultimately it's horses for courses as it were, some will choose to buy for perfectly sound (sic) reasons and others not and that's that really. As for the filing and access of music I must, I realise be a flawed personality. A friend, a Windoze user, constantly rattles on about awful iTunes and I never...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: ? MPD is a much lower-level implementation of a player / renderer queue, but there's very little functionally different once you press play, and you have the same issues with network bandwidth and sound quality over wired vs wireless that you have with anything else.... David, in a UPnP-based Naim solution one typically has 3 processes running at replay + control time: a) the UPnP server, b) the UPnP client and c) the control application. The UPnP server runs...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: ? As for customizable tags, how would one consume them over an abstracted interface? Search by tag? Browse tree (add node for each tag)? Every decent MPD client supports searching and browsing the MPD database according to a fixed set of about 10 tags. In a client search engine, users typically enter values for one or more of these (fixed) tags and receive a list of items fulfiling the searching criteria. In a client browser, users typically selects one the...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: ? None of this is very well defined for network consumption but probably works fine if you are sitting in your bedroom/basement with a PC. The key here is social use - can someone else take your arbitrary tags and consume them to equeue and play music in the same house without being bound to a specific client (in this case, JRiver)? David, to be honest I do not understand how feature customization can relate to social use in any diminutive or problematic...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by jfritzen: Originally Posted by nbpf: Originally Posted by DavidDever: If UPnP / DLNA servers are so substandard by your measure, why was mpd-dlna incorporated into MPD (from version 0.19 onward)? Must have been some sort of demand for that functionality....? But both MPD and UPnP currently lack support for customizable tags. This is the common and most crucial limitation. Both MPD and UPnP are acceptable for occasional listening and mass consume of musical contents. They...
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Daunt ·
@nbpf - after using Windoze for twenty years I switched to Mac. Imperfect and corporate for sure, but fewer problems in 10 years, less hardware issues too than in one year of microsoftband the army of invaders who constantly assailed it! I am no Apple evangelist but I have not, for a moment missed Windows. My one remaining PC fund 8! Is that an operating system at all?!
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DavidDever ·
Originally Posted by nbpf: Actually, EXIF is a good analogy - simply embedding arbitrary tags into the metadata field of an object does not get you scalability when it comes time to search over the set of available objects - on the other hand, if these tags correspond to an agreed-upon set of fields, it's much easier for the server to sift through and to return meaningful values to a suitable client that can consume them (or choose not to consume them). Remember here, we're not talking a...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: Originally Posted by nbpf: Actually, EXIF is a good analogy - simply embedding arbitrary tags into the metadata field of an object does not get you scalability when it comes time to search over the set of available objects - on the other hand, if these tags correspond to an agreed-upon set of fields, it's much easier for the server to sift through and to return meaningful values to a suitable client that can consume them (or choose not to consume them).
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: Originally Posted by nbpf: Standards are really important when it comes to interoperability, and without the ability to invite friends over to browse your library and add items to the running playlist, what's really the point? Nothing against standards but I fail to see how customizable tags could prevent anyone from being able to invite friends or for these to browse one's library. They would come over, fire up their app on their iPads or on whatever devices...
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Bart ·
Originally Posted by nbpf: But even Minimserver will prevent you from being able to search in your music library according to your own criteria. Put me, too, in the camp of being too dim to realize that I cannot do what I've been doing for the 3 years I've owned a UnitiServe (and a Naim Dac, followed by NDS and Qute). Me and Daunt, I guess (To add insult to injury, I too have gone 'all Apple' at home. Well my wife and kids prefer Apple too; I don't make them use it. Apple brainwashed -- all...
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Solid Air ·
Count me in too. Not really getting this discussion, and I don't have any trouble finding what I want to play - the searching is fine for me. It also doesn't play records or feed the cat.
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Daunt ·
After I've fourth years of immersing myself in HiFi, as a consumer and some time demonstrating some pretty high end systems the few things I have learned that are constants are that there is a goodly amount of snake oil out there. There is also some fascinating stuff that others brand as snake oil because their 'science' doesn't provide ready answers. A very well known designer once presented, as a simple explanation, what he termed a passive power amp! Need,Essex to say the press just...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Originally Posted by Aleg: Originally Posted by dayjay: Originally Posted by analogmusic: interesting new product. Would have been more interesting if it allowed for HCDR and also for XPS connection. I would have bought one, but the price of XPS puts me off. still nice. Will I sell my 202/HCDR for this. No. I may wish to add a chord hugo at some point. (the 3V output bothers me) I'm happy at the moment with squeezebox USB into DAC V1-->202/HCDR/200. At the same time, it has that amazing...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Originally Posted by Bart: Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk: Surely life is too short to be constrained by technology implementation limitations.. This is is about music not hifi replay systems is it not? Hi Simon. The "Music Room" forum here gets way less traffic (or at least way fewer posts) than the forums dedicated to hifi replay and technology. But I'm sure that in our hearts, most of us are "about music." My observation is that technology implementation absolutely stimulates...
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Daunt ·
Given the hard option of a 272/250 or the like against a282 and all the bits I'd go for the 272 etc and 1000 CDs/Downloads any day!
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dave4jazz ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: My experiences with demonstrating and having the opportunity to listen to so much kit over the years is that given an open budget I would definitely own planar loudspeakers driven by meaty class A Amos - but I'd not throw out my Naim PMC to do that! Nothing, sadly, does it all. Well that's good to know. Dave
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dayjay ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: Given the hard option of a 272/250 or the like against a282 and all the bits I'd go for the 272 etc and 1000 CDs/Downloads any day! What, even before you've heard one?
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Aleg ·
Originally Posted by analogmusic: Is the volume lowered in the digital domain or analog? It is lowered in the digital domain in the central FPGA processing stage:
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dave4jazz ·
Originally Posted by ragman: Originally Posted by Marky Mark: We need a DAC-Pre not a Streamer-DAC-Pre. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth about streaming software and yet people still want the streamer built in. Lessons learned about modularity = none. We? You mean you, and say we! ragman WTGR the thread starts on Page 1. A review of the posts may be in order. Dave
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cat345 ·
Originally Posted by Aleg: +1 there is no problem matching with Hugo having its volume lowered. It can be a better match than Naim CDPs with their fixed output level of 2.1V. It is also a clever solution when used with the Nait 2.
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: @npbl and others - I am in fact largely in agreement with most of this despite taking a devil's advocate approach. As consumers we have our own agenda and differing needs and agendas and any manufacturers striving to retain ANDY build a market will always be beset with conflicting needs and wants from what, in Naim's case, is a fiercely loyal bunch of followers. ... Daunt, I personally do not see a problem of conflicting needs. And to be honest, I do not even see...
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wirbeltier ·
...the lack of a powered input for a Stage- or SuperLine puts me off a bit....
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maze ·
I've never understood why so many knock the 172, it's a really neat product in it's remit and equally as good as anything in the uniti range and besides surely Naim would drop it and not go to make a 272 if naim thought there was no mileage in producing a 272. It's what I've been waiting for, as much as I like my 172 I will take a listen to the 272. The only area I felt my 172 was not as good as my supernait was in the treble, 172 being a bit softer and less detailed which is no bad thing...
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james n ·
Originally Posted by maze: I've never understood why so many knock the 172, it's a really neat product in it's remit and equally as good as anything in the uniti range and besides surely Naim would drop it and not go to make a 272 if naim thought there was no mileage in producing a 272. It's what I've been waiting for, as much as I like my 172 I will take a listen to the 272. The only area I felt my 172 was not as good as my supernait was in the treble, 172 being a bit softer and less...
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Solid Air ·
As a 172 owner . . . for me it's a lovely sound, and more than capable of living with a more expensive power amp. I actually prefer my 172/Nap100 combo to a Uniti, and with a better power amp it would be better still - although a very different nature to a SuperUniti , which I like a lot but would describe as more 'in your face' somehow than the more reserved 172. Again, I can see a future where Naim don't make any standalone pre-amps below the 300 range - they'd all come with a DAC and...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by Bart: But there is a vast range of interest and aptitude and patience for the technology side of this, and I feel a kindred spirit for those who come to the forum looking for basic help just trying to get their music to play, and who want to purchase hardware that is both of the highest quality and simple to use. When a bloke who can't get his Mac to talk to his Uniti 2 gets a recommendation (not from you, mind you) to build a pc server or Debian box, I feel the forum...
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dave4jazz ·
Originally Posted by Solid Air: Again, I can see a future where Naim don't make any standalone pre-amps below the 300 range - they'd all come with a DAC and streamer . This would help to lock in customers to the Naim family, and add perceived value, perhaps without adding huge cost (I'm guessing on that). Are you including DAC-V1 in that statement? I'm not sure I want to feel I'm a "locked in customer" to a Naim streamer solution either. Reservations regarding the software, and availability...
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ragman ·
Originally Posted by Bananahead: Originally Posted by ragman: Originally Posted by Marky Mark: We need a DAC-Pre not a Streamer-DAC-Pre. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth about streaming software and yet people still want the streamer built in. Lessons learned about modularity = none. We? You mean you, and say we! And says need instead of want. +1
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dayjay ·
Wow, have to be very careful with your (or is it our) language on here nowadays
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Daunt ·
@dayjat - it's a ltitle known fact that these forums are the more public meeting place of the English pedants society and the National semantics league!
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Daunt ·
@dave4jazz - my perhaps badly put point was that given the huge price difference between a 272 plus power amp option and the optimum (aparantly) current Naim system I would rather spend the money on music than boxes. I should perhaps have added, assuming the 272 is as good as or superior to, say, a Uniti plus power amp or similar. As I mentioned earlier in this topic, a friend of mine has gone for the logical path of 282, HDX etc etc and with all the bits spent around £16k - if I had it I'd...
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Daunt ·
@Dave4jazz again - I know we're being somewhat tongue in cheek here so my point about multiple systems was really that in all the years I have subjected myself to audio temptation I have always been aware of the differences between design and performance philosophies. I've spent considerable time in the past listening to quite different kit and a lot of it is decidedly beguiling. That same kit tends to polarise opinion and many are very ready to declare another brand rubbish whilst a loyal...
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dave4jazz ·
Daunt I was only commenting on your Naim/PMC ownership (see my profile). At least that was the intention. Dave
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Daunt ·
@nbpf - I agree with what you say and the control app does present our collections in a rather uninspiring and one dimensional way. I love streaming though and given my current modest system it out performs the Uniti CD player by a big margin. Iwith the exception of my downloads, pretty much my whole CD collection is in the listening room and it is to that I more often refer than the app when wandering around musically. I think it would be quite difficult however good the firm/software was...
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Daunt ·
@Dave4jazz - ah I see, a fellow fan We are in a minority but I love my 24s so there. I spent some time at BBC Maida Vale last year and loved their so what more expensive ones. after hearing mine, the friend I mention promptly bought some and then 26s - love em. But that's off topic so, you'll be pleased to read, I will shut up!
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dave4jazz ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: @Dave4jazz - ah I see, a fellow fan We are in a minority but I love my 24s so there. I spent some time at BBC Maida Vale last year and loved their so what more expensive ones. after hearing mine, the friend I mention promptly bought some and then 26s - love em. But that's off topic so, you'll be pleased to read, I will shut up! I'm saving for PMC Twenty.23's. Dave
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Daunt ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: I was determined to buy 23s - the 24s were not just more extended at the bass end but altogether better - just my observation but I don't regret the stretch.
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Jude2012 ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: Originally Posted by PhilP: Originally Posted by Marky Mark: Originally Posted by Aleg: Originally Posted by PhilP: MM - I take your point about product numbering but Naim themselves are suggesting a 250 as the partner which would seem to imply, given their previous recommendations, that they see it as a 282 level product They say it can be used with 200, 250 or even 300. That would put it at a 202 level for me. It has been designated classic series. This is...
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DavidDever ·
The Chord stuff would not be on my list, largely because their notion of system control is woefully third-world (with apologies to the African subcontinent).
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Jude2012 ·
Agree with on the control issue. Turming back to Naim, if the 272 trend is extended, my guess/speculation is that a higher spec streamer-pre wouldn't have an inboard PSU . Also, can it be too much cost, to produce an option with asynchronous USB or network streaming, as Naim is quite capable at system control? Jude
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by Daunt: I think it would be quite difficult however good the firm/software was to approach the way we personally organise our physical collections anyway, we will always find apps lacking in some way. I do not really care about detail features or minor software deficiencies. It's the basic design which is defective. Any decent MPD client allows one to search and browse a music collection according to five to ten fixed criteria. This is crap and yet still better than what...
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DavidDever ·
If UPnP / DLNA servers are so substandard by your measure, why was mpd-dlna incorporated into MPD (from version 0.19 onward)? Must have been some sort of demand for that functionality....?
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: If UPnP / DLNA servers are so substandard by your measure, why was mpd-dlna incorporated into MPD (from version 0.19 onward)? Must have been some sort of demand for that functionality....? Of course there was: the integration makes it possible for UPnP / DLNA clients to interact with the mpd-dlna server. This is fine for users that want to deploy UPnP clients, what's the problem? The major advantages of a pure MPD system against a UPnP-based streaming...
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nbpf ·
Originally Posted by Solid Air: Count me in too. Not really getting this discussion, and I don't have any trouble finding what I want to play - the searching is fine for me. It also doesn't play records or feed the cat. No worry, the problem with records and cats will be fixed by firmware upgrade! Best, nbpt
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