Tagged With "FM"

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UPnP server with Last.fm support?

Patu ·
I just pulled the trigger on pre-loved Naim NDX and am about to move to the world of streaming. For now, I've been using foobar2000 as my music player and media library on PC. It supports last.fm scrobbling through plugin. Now is there a way to get UPnP server (any of them?) to scrobble to last.fm? I will still use my PC as server so maybe some UPnP server would work with the last.fm desktop app or something? I'd seriously want to make this work. I've been scrobbling since 2005 and it's...
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Patu ·
Last night I tried different UPnP softwares. I did my audition of NDX with foobar2000 + foo_upnp plugin and it works perfectly but, it won't scrobble to last.fm. Also I installed BubbleUPnP and couldn't get it to work either. I didn't even find a setting for the last.fm support. If you know how to make foobar2000 + foo_upnp to scrobble, that would be my preferred choice. I've been using foobar as my media library for over ten years so I wouldn't mind continuing with it. Lastly I installed...
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Patu ·
I read some thread on another forum (not sure if it's allowed to mention the name) where people discussed about differences in sound quality between different UPnP servers. How about here, have you guys found any differences in sound quality between different UPnP servers? I'm asking since they mentioned JRIver being worse than for example foobar2000 + foo_upnp. I'll do my own testing when the NDX arrives next week but still it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
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Mike-B ·
UPnP server sound has been covered in a few threads, try a search, but they are all regarding NAS or similar UPnP media servers like Asset & Minim etc., .......... foobar2000 is not a UPnP server, its a freeware audio player .
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Patu ·
Hi Mike, I will use my PC as server and not go for NAS, at least for now. I have my computer turned on always when I'm at home anyways so why buy a separate device for the job. I'm just trying to figure out which server software to go for. Asset is well regarded here but impossible to get the last.fm to work with. I'm not an expert when it comes to UPnP technology but I do know something about media players. I'm fully aware that foobar2000 is freeware audio player but there's a plugin for it...
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Mike-B ·
OK Patu, I understand, but IMO an NDX without a NAS is not the full deal, like a sports car on winter tyres. The forum posts on UPnP "sound" agreed that as the UPnP server is only a means of enabling communication between server, renderer & control point, it cannot affect sound - but as usual still some disagreement. The differences do exist between various NAS, UnitiServe, Mac's & PC's, & now we have the new kid on the block, the Melco. In my case my Synology NAS beats PC by...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
In my meandering discovery, excluding RF / EM interference and other such things there are two key areas I have found affect sound quality with my Naim streamer. 1) TCP windowing flow... Different media servers ( and I think this is more to with platform/OS rather than app) appear to communicate slightly differently using different network transport dynamics with the streamer.. This can affect sound, and its effects are similar to what you hear with bad cable dressing or a strained burndy...
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Patu ·
Thanks for the input! Mike: I live in a single room apartment so my PC is under five meters from the NDX and is always on when I'm at home since I use it quite a lot. I really don't see the point for NAS in my situation. Of course I could learn myself to use less PC and start with the help of NAS but still. I also wonder the use of switches when I can directly connect the NDX to my router. I use D-Link DIR 868L which should be very capable. I bought Chord C-Stream ethernet cables between the...
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Mike-B ·
Hej Patu, I expect D-Link DIR 868L is OK. If it runs 24/192 OK without buffering, its OK. C-Stream are good cables, no need to change the wall to router, Cat5e will be good.
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Patu ·
Good to hear! Oh and nice touch with the Finnish greeting. I'll keep you posted when the NDX arrives. It should be here by thursday.
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Patu ·
I'm not sure if I'm losing my mind or what but now when I've experimented with NDX for few days, I've found out minor differences between server software. JRiver would be optimal for usability and with its built in last.fm support but... it sounds different compared to Asset. These two are the ones I've mainly used now and done some comparison. I also found out that JRiver sounded different compared to foobar2000 when I still had my computer connected to Naim DAC via USB to S/PDIF converter.
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Mike-B ·
If I understand your set up, you are playing it all from PC (?) if correct I suspect the SQ variations are most likely related to the PC processing effects.
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Patu ·
Yes, from PC. There shouldn't be any processing done. Files are sent in original FLAC format to streamer. I did try encoding to WAV also but couldn't tell much difference there. Also while I had all connected through USB, no processing done there either. DSP off, pure bitperfect signal with ASIO output on both players and still difference in sound quality.
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Mike-B ·
PC is not the best for SQ, I experimented once to see how it would be with Asset (my NAS does not take Asset), but NAS gives better SQ & the different UPnP servers that I do have do not affect SQ.
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tigersclaw ·
That's why I would like to compare it with the service integrated in some dlna server.
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Patu ·
It would feel stupid to go for NAS in my case. There's so many factors in streaming I didn't quite understand before I moved in. I really thought this would be a much less painful experience. USB-connection is just easier if you have PC close to the hifi setup. I like how NDX sounds but I'm starting to question my decision here. Let's see what happens.
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Mike-B ·
OK, I understand. I understand using a PC to DAC via USB for web based streaming, but a PC when you have a NDX & all its abilities is illogical (to me) Also to build a music collection & some will be large file sizes with 24-bit & DSD & eventually the storage on a PC becomes a problem & a NAS of some sort is a solution.
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Patu ·
I do understand your point but when the PC is always on when I'm at home, it feels illogical to me to have yet another piece of equipment up and running doing the same thing that the PC can do, which is only to store the data. I don't quite understand why storage size would be a problem with PC. You can add multiple HDD's in PC and have tens of terabytes of storage. But I do understand that there might be a sound quality difference. If that's true then it would be only reason for me to move...
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tigersclaw ·
Very interesting about the Jriver server. Anyone knows any upnp server that supports vtuner steaming? I am interested in comparing this with iRadio.
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Mike-B ·
Naim's "iRadio" service is provided by vTuner I believe
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Patu ·
The NDX is here! Everything worked perfectly straight out of the box. I connected it with the Chord C-stream cables, one from PC to my router and other one from router to NDX. Just in case I ordered one cheap shielded CAT6 cable to replace the current unshielded cable between the router and wall socket. It's December 2013 unit in flawless condition. It was very cold when I brought it home and connected but still, straight out of the box there's something extremely addicting in the sound.
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charnik ·
Nice addition to your system Patu. After few days on power you can expect to sound even better. It will be interesting to compare NDX with your previous solution (nDac + usb to spdif converter) and write your conclusions about it...
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Pev ·
Bubble UPNP works with last and also with Musicmatch lyrics or you can get a UPNP extension for Foobar
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NAC N172XS

Ropehawn ·
I am looking at an N172XS to replace my UQ2 now that I have added the 155XS to the UQ2, but the one that I am looking at does not have the FM Tuner - is this something that can be added later by someone like A/V Options?
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Re: NAC N172XS

Richieroo ·
Hi ..... just use Internet radio .... it is really good quality I think BBC are pushing 320k which sounds really quite good. I don't think you can update and add a dab module....I asked on the 272 and was told not...
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Re: NAC N172XS

Chag... ·
Quite a few on this forum, including the writer of this post, still cherish the FM band. I would assume the 172 modification would be more expensive than purchasing the excellent NAT05 second hand. Chag -
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Richard Dane ·
You might wish to ask this question of your local distributor.
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FM aerial Installers

Les in St Ives ·
Can anyone suggest an aerial installer conversant with FM radio requirements covering the Waltham Abbey (edge of Essex) area please? I hesitate to use the word ' recommend ' as opposed to suggest because I recognise the associated responsibility should things not go as one would hope. All my enquiries made to listed installers have so far have resulted in negative responses such as don't bother because of FM shutdown and move to DAB . Well I have some DAB radios and they're not too bad...
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Re: FM aerial Installers

Richard Dane ·
Try Ron Smith Aerials in Luton. Although Ron has gone, I think his son George is carrying on the business. As recommended by the Naim factory no less...
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Ron Toolsie ·
I think that although George still runs the company, he lives in Spain, and personal installations in the UK may be no longer available. If DAB is anything like internet radio, the drop in quality compared to off-air broadcasts is huge and non-trivial. Do not be fobbed off by people pushing convenience over quality. FM radio is as dead as vinyl...which is to say rumors if its death were greatly exaggerated.
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Clive B ·
It would still be most worthwhile to buy a Galaxie aerial from George, and get someone to install it for you here. I know your post was seeking a good installer and what I've said still leaves you with that problem, but Ron and George Smith used to install their aerials on poles the size of scaffolding poles. I'm sure these could be specified to a local installer. They also wrapped the full length of the pole with black electrical tape so that it didn't look too bright in the sun. Moderated...
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thebigfredc ·
Hi, How about buying a Ron Smith aerial online and then arranging for a local TV aerial installer to put it up. Ray
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dayjay ·
I struggled to find anyone who would install anything other than one of those horrible circular things. You can still buy the aerial from Ron Smith but they don't install. I intend buying one and then getting someone local to put it up.
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Hungryhalibut ·
Bear in mind that Ron Smith Galaxy aerials are very large, and you may need planning permission. We got fed up with a monster on the house and ditched it when we sold the NAT 01. These days we have a standard five element FM jobbie and it's fine. We have a direct line of sight to the transmitter on the Isle of Wight and it works very well. The local aerial people popped it up fine.
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ken c ·
i had the same problem last time -- and in the end just put this project on hold. The guys who used to do Ron Smith installations is not doing it anymore. and local inquiries result in "why bother"... good luck with your searches,... enjoy ken
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New Uniti with DAB / FM

Pat ·
was informed by dealer that the Uniti Nova and Star are not available with DAB / FM option. very disappointing after waiting many months since the initial announcement . Is it true ? Thks P
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Richard Dane ·
Yes, IIRC FM/DAB was never on the table for the new Atom all in one. I guess because they're made somewhat redundant by I-Radio. I don't know about the Nova or Star - will have to check. For all that, I do listen to FM on my UQ2 rather a lot, but perhaps mainly because my Internet is so unreliable out in the countryside.
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Perol ·
I am a regular FM user with my Nat03 but have a UQ upstairs where internet radio gets some play too I have tried UQ on its FM and DAB and honestly internet radio is slightly better than dab and UQ FM section was not that exiting compared to my 03.
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Richard Dane ·
I prefer FM on the UQ2 to DAB. However, I'm not surprised that a proper separate tuner like the NAT03 is better still.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi Richard, tHe trouble with web radio is doesn’t always have the correct rights management (in the UK), and so there is some programming, especially certain sport fixtures, that you can only get over the air... and also because most web radio is unicast and not multicast it is capacity bound and/or limited on bandwidth/quality.. and even the deeper pockets of the BBC can’t currently do lossless on an ongoing basis via web radio... but it was very very good for the duration of the trial... I...
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Re: New Uniti with DAB / FM

aht ·
The FM option was promoted when Nova was announced, and there was a photograph of the back panel posted on the Naim website showing a terminal for an FM antenna. This news is deeply disappointing. In my experience iRadio is inferior to FM by a considerable margin, especially since the stations I like are usually 128K bitrate. Guess i'll have to keep my UQ after all.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
ahh indeed - using Google I have found references to Nova being available from certain retailers with FM/DAB for approx £150 extra - so there is some apparent confusion here... and I found an image of the back of a Nova with an FM/DAB connector ... perhaps a prototype?
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Eoink ·
I’ve just read the Hifi News review, it states the DAB option is £150 for the Nova and £200 for the Star. It doesn’t say FM/DAB.
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Pat ·
Communication is not clear..... Despite many adds and pictures including price for the option. But the nova and star presented yesterday by my dealer did not have any DAB/FM on the back panel. who knows the truth ?
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Pev ·
When I ordered my Nova my dealer asked if I wanted the FM/DAB option, unfortunately for this thread I declined as I prefer internet radio but it's more evidence that it does (or did) exist as an option. I never used FM or DAB in all the years I had my Superuniti.
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peterks ·
Looking at the Quick Start Guide https://www.naimaudio.com/site...igital%20Version.pdf . On page 3, there is a drawing of the rear panel which includes the FM/DAB connector, and is marked “optional”. ...
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Hungryhalibut ·
If it hadn’t been fitted as an option, it wouldn’t be there, would it? It’s on the price list as a £150 option.
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cdboy ·
Should still be coming for Nova and Star but work in progress I believe as perhaps not a priority.
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Richard Dane ·
Just double checked with Naim and the DAB/FM option for the Star and Nova is still an option and on the cards for future release when ready.
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TallGuy ·
When I ordered my Nova at the beginning of September I ordered with the FM/DAB module. Two days later I got a call from my dealers saying that it would be at least 6 months before this became available. My dealer also asked if it would be retro-fittable, but the answer received was “don’t know”. I changed my order to no module and my Nova arrived 4 weeks later (last week). I’d still like the module if it does appear and is retrofittable as I have an odd internet radio issue where nothing...
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