4.6 update and upgrade sound quality ?

Bonjour M Rooster.   Yes it does bring a change to SQ, this was established in the beta testing.  With my NDX in my system & room & to my ear/brain interface,  the presentation is more dynamic & punchy,  bass is firmer, treble has detail,  sound stage has width & depth.   Instrument & voices are natural & I find it easier to follow & position individuals.     I read the same with NDS & 272 colleagues .    See other threads on this same subject

Mike-B posted:

Bonjour M Rooster.   Yes it does bring a change to SQ, this was established in the beta testing.  With my NDX in my system & room & to my ear/brain interface,  the presentation is more dynamic & punchy,  bass is firmer, treble has detail,  sound stage has width & depth.   Instrument & voices are natural & I find it easier to follow & position individuals.     I read the same with NDS & 272 colleagues .    See other threads on this same subject

hello Mike, i hope you are right. But how can you be certain, sure at 100%, because this update is not yet available.  Naim have told you that ?

French Rooster posted:

You have already installed the 4.6 update?

French Rooster posted:

How to do the update?   install the update on a pc first?   windows 7 will work?  then connect the usb to mini usb cable between pc and nds, and after?

YES  .........  pre 4.6 beta & todays 4.6

Follow the instructions:  Naim seem to have released only english language today.  But in meantime go to release v4.4 to read French instructions & download the USB driver.  Then go to release v4.6 & download 4.6 Western Europe

Mike-B posted:
French Rooster posted:

You have already installed the 4.6 update?

French Rooster posted:

How to do the update?   install the update on a pc first?   windows 7 will work?  then connect the usb to mini usb cable between pc and nds, and after?

YES  .........  pre 4.6 beta & todays 4.6

Follow the instructions:  Naim seem to have released only english language today.  But in meantime go to release v4.4 to read French instructions & download the USB driver.  Then go to release v4.6 & download 4.6 Western Europe

i had installed the 4.4 version more than 1 year ago with the help of one dealer.  I didn’t remember exactly how i did it.   Do i need to download the usb driver also before the 4.6 update?

The original rationale for the upgrade (about 2 1/2 years ago) was, in large part, to address dropouts on Tidal. The multi-room requirement came later (Autumn 2016). Since then, I think (correct if I’m wrong please) Tidal have improved their infrastructure and a lot us have improved our own network performance, so perhaps it’s a less pressing issue.

Keith

Just updated to the new firmware on my N272 and Unitlite - I noticed that for the N272, there was an update to the DSP and Streamer - but on the Unitlite, there was no DSP update.... so do I assume that any sound quality improvement will only be on the N272?

I don't think you should assume that the UL and UQ DSPs are unchanged. They use a different DSP to the more expensive units, so the way the firmware is bundled is probably different. I today updated my UQ, UL, SU and 272. I'm listening to the UQ at the moment and I may be imagining it, but it sounds wonderful to me.

best

David

Mike-B posted:

If you upgraded your ND using your current computer, the driver is already installed.      

As Mike says. I did the update today with the same Windows 7 PC that I did the 4.4 update two years ago or so and I didn't have to reinstall the drivers.

best

David

Finkfan posted:

I’ve not had chance to update my 272 yet, but I’d be interested to hear of any improvement from others who have. 

I have definitely perceived SQ benefits. Bass is firmer and slightly more extended. Mids are clearer without anything being unduly accented, as if some distortion has been removed. They are also what might be described as firmer or tighter, with a bit more body in the mid-mid (ie as opposed to upper mid or lower mid). Treble appears to have less sibilance.

I wouldn't say the changes were massive, but the sound is more satisfying to me now.

Naturally I might just be imagining it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

PS, I should add, good work, beta testers and DSP team. Gold stars all round.

Finkfan posted:

I’ve not had chance to update my 272 yet, but I’d be interested to hear of any improvement from others who have. 

272 updated yesterday, but spent last night checking all inputs were working, so didn’t stream upnp properly until I came in today. It does sound different in a better way. Just listening to Tori Amos native invader, and I have no desire to stop listening. Very immersive sound. More open and bass is better than before. Certainly worth the effort!

Like others, I also perceive the firmware to bring some SQ benefits with tighter and more pronounced bass and able to play at lower listening levels.  I normally turn the 272 to about 35 and closer to 40 if I want to turn it up. Since the update, leaving it at 35 is more than enough volume to get immersed. 

docmark posted:

 How do I download the drivers using a Mac?  When I open Naim Streamer Updater, the only item I see on the drop down menu is Bluetooth Incoming Port.

This is the direct link to the USB driver for Mac. The link was included in the PDF named "Naim Streaming Products_Firmware Update Guide (MAC)" contained in the download folder of the 4.4 Software Update from the Naim website.

Thanks Rightcoastants - everything worked smoothly, my 272 rebooted and just after doing some listening, I must say that I'm impressed.  Soundstage is wider, bass seems more controlled and not at all sloppy.  I don't know that it's a black box upgrade, but something sure sounds better.

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