552 obsession or stupidity

"Beyond that, I'm a huge believer that EXPERIENCES give more lasting pleasure than STUFF".

Just so Jed. How often do we see people at live events trying to cram a massive experience into a tiny SmartPhone. Turn the damn thing off; drink in the vibe and store it in the grey matter - the best analogue recording device known to mankind.

For those who need and appreciate it, a good sound system provides soul food, plain and simple. It cannot be rationally justified in terms of financial cost but it might just improve your quality of life.

I choose to own what most folk would consider a ridiculously expensive sound system, and a relatively ordinary/inexpensive car because the latter is far less important to me.

John.

Nothing beats travel, live music, and other enjoyable new experiences.  But I find that, as I get older and have to deal with more health issues, having a really nice home audio setup can be a great tonic. 

How many experiences, how much stuff, where we live, what we drive, the causes we support - it's all down to personal choice. We all want to pursue happiness on our own terms, but life is all about tradeoffs. Everyone has their own unique short and long term goals, but the fundamentals of sound financial planning should not be ignored.

Just my long-winded way of concurring with those who have said buy what you want, if you can afford to do so!

the number of the 500 series and above is so relatively small their views are not valid

 for the vast majority of customers.  never been to any dealer were the top end is ever demoed daily. the only time ive heard it is at hifi shows .  nowerdays  hifi shows I talking shops.   bring back shows like harrogate

What is a relative sane index of money spent on single product/  monthly income? Or as a % of yearly income for a working man

I know there are milion variables age,kids etc but ball park figures and opinions i am curious about

buying 552 with a single month income or 4 months or a year...

Where does crazy starts? Just your toughts for sake of conversation 

The Strat (Fender) posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Complete bollocks. Holidays and meals out enrich one's life extraordinarily. Who wants to sit by themselves listening to music all the time? I'm always saying this, but a 552 won't change one's life. 

Crap   A 552 (in a matched system) is guaranteed to provide great music -so will most certainly "change your life"...............

Ahhh  but so does a NAC72  !   

Bought my dream system in 2002. Remortgaged to get it. Early retirement present. Circumstances were that I had become a single parent and spent a lot of time at home. I still have that system and it has given immense pleasure over 16 years. It's good enough not to upgrade, just the odd service. It's not a 552 based system but money very well spent IMHO.

I still love music on this system and have no compulsion to get 500 series stuff. It's more than good enough! It's paid for now and I view it as a real investment in my personal access to culture.

Stu

audio1946 posted:

the number of the 500 series and above is so relatively small their views are not valid

 for the vast majority of customers.  never been to any dealer were the top end is ever demoed daily. the only time ive heard it is at hifi shows . .  

If so that is a travesty, as there is no way any Hi-Fi show will allow you to truly savour and appreciate a true high end system (IME)

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
audio1946 posted:

the number of the 500 series and above is so relatively small their views are not valid

 for the vast majority of customers.  never been to any dealer were the top end is ever demoed daily. the only time ive heard it is at hifi shows . .  

If so that is a travesty, as there is no way any Hi-Fi show will allow you to truly savour and appreciate a true high end system (IME)

Yes indeed Simon, you're so right... I believe I'd mentioned the 'sharp intake of breath' results from plugging a 552 into your own system for the first time. 

As you rightly say, forget shows, and as most folks would also say, don't purchase on the strength of a dem in a dealer's premises... take one home to try. BUT don't do this unless you have recourse to sufficient funds to keep it there 

rjstaines posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
audio1946 posted:

the number of the 500 series and above is so relatively small their views are not valid

 for the vast majority of customers.  never been to any dealer were the top end is ever demoed daily. the only time ive heard it is at hifi shows . .  

If so that is a travesty, as there is no way any Hi-Fi show will allow you to truly savour and appreciate a true high end system (IME)

Yes indeed Simon, you're so right... I believe I'd mentioned the 'sharp intake of breath' results from plugging a 552 into your own system for the first time. 

As you rightly say, forget shows, and as most folks would also say, don't purchase on the strength of a dem in a dealer's premises... take one home to try. BUT don't do this unless you have recourse to sufficient funds to keep it there 

There's no real excuse not to. My dealer was never going to have a demo unit on the shelf so they got Naim to send them one which arrived in around a week. I had it at home for a week, could have had it longer but was going on holiday (bad timing). The one I had was a very well used 2008 model and sounded fantastic from the moment it was plugged in. I must say I didn't have the sharp intake of breath, I got the giggles instead which I understand others have also experienced. 

Drewy posted:
rjstaines posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
audio1946 posted:

the number of the 500 series and above is so relatively small their views are not valid

 for the vast majority of customers.  never been to any dealer were the top end is ever demoed daily. the only time ive heard it is at hifi shows . .  

If so that is a travesty, as there is no way any Hi-Fi show will allow you to truly savour and appreciate a true high end system (IME)

Yes indeed Simon, you're so right... I believe I'd mentioned the 'sharp intake of breath' results from plugging a 552 into your own system for the first time. 

As you rightly say, forget shows, and as most folks would also say, don't purchase on the strength of a dem in a dealer's premises... take one home to try. BUT don't do this unless you have recourse to sufficient funds to keep it there 

There's no real excuse not to. My dealer was never going to have a demo unit on the shelf so they got Naim to send them one which arrived in around a week. I had it at home for a week, could have had it longer but was going on holiday (bad timing). The one I had was a very well used 2008 model and sounded fantastic from the moment it was plugged in. I must say I didn't have the sharp intake of breath, I got the giggles instead which I understand others have also experienced. 

Unless you live across the Pond! 

Allante93! 

PS. My Authorized Local Naim Dealer won't even answer the Phone! 

But he did do A Seminar with the Statement, about 16 months ago! 

Manu was the Esteem Host! 

He is online, and does sell, if you order brand new, and does have demo Naim! 

One or Two Pieces! 

You Lucky Gents! 

Was discussing with another Naim owner today the 282/252/552 and agreed that the 282 was a paradigm shift over the 202, the 252 was a further gain over the 282, and the 552 was a further paradigm.   But we thought a discussion point was how close does a 282/DR get to a 552?   No definitive answer of course.  

Regards,

Lindsay

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Was discussing with another Naim owner today the 282/252/552 and agreed that the 282 was a paradigm shift over the 202, the 252 was a further gain over the 282, and the 552 was a further paradigm.   But we thought a discussion point was how close does a 282/DR get to a 552?   No definitive answer of course.  

Regards,

Lindsay

Funny, even though I'm not on the Queens side of the Pond, I feel connected with Forum!

Especially those who owns the 282 DR.

But if I May, the gentleman that sold me on the 282, his argument went (something) like:
 
""I've had it all, waist of time, and hard cold cash. If I had to do it all over again, I'd grab the first 282 that came along, and hitch it to a SC, and wait on a sweetheart of a deal on a 552!
 
Now that 282, she won't resolve everything, but the difference would be so minute, 99% of the International Council Of Audiophiles , couldn't detect difference!""
 
Well, it went something like that! LOL.....
 
Allante93!
PS. Going on 3 years with the Forum.
No hands on experience, jumped in raw!
 
Cdx2>282DR>3 x 250.2>Fraimlite
Tri-Amped Briks.
 
Next Upgrade: Snaxo 362/SC
 
Complements to the Forum!
Thanks!

Hmmmm.  The previous affordability questions are stating the obvious IMHO.

You have a super system and assuming it's well set up it's good enough that I suspect a 552 will lift it at least two notches.   In terms of bang for your buck (and not all will agree with me here) you might want to look at cables however.  I'm a Chord fan (and a 552 owner) but others prefer SL, and not saying I'm right and their wrong, just that I think cables can match a black box upgrade at less cost.  I think many are blinkered when it comes to spending money on cables rather than boxes.  I also think that if you went for the 552 you might think you need to upgrade to 300DR and you are tri-amped (I have a single 300)!

I wonder how many have the 552 my guess is not many. but it seems its a major discussion point.   the only time ive demoed it was at a show.  and never seen it at dealer on permanant demo .naims new direction is the new range which seems a well thought out future.  

I suppose the other consideration here is whether Naim intend to release a new more 'affordable' amplifier based on Statement technology.  You have to wonder whether the 552 and 500's days are numbered.  CD555 is already history.  This comment will be probably be deleted by the moderators who don't like new product speculation..

audio1946 posted:

I wonder how many have the 552 my guess is not many. but it seems its a major discussion point.   the only time I've demoed, it was at a show.  and never seen it at dealer on permanant demo .naims new direction is the new range which seems a well thought out future.  

Geko posted:

"It maybe more than you think. In the group I hang around with there are three 552's, one 52, one 82 and two Statements."

Just curious Geko, if I'm correct, your group consist of 7. 

Excluding the Two Statement Owners, that narrows your group to five.

Of the five members of your group, how many are younger than fifty years of age?

Allante93!

PS. You keep good Company!

Your group includes a couple who belong to the 1% Club!!!

Baby Boomers, we love Marque Separates! 

Bryce Curdy posted:

I suppose the other consideration here is whether Naim intend to release a new more 'affordable' amplifier based on Statement technology.  You have to wonder whether the 552 and 500's days are numbered.  CD555 is already history.  This comment will be probably be deleted by the moderators who don't like new product speculation..

Others with direct experience are more qualified to comment than I, but as a non-owner of any, but a reader of much on this forum appears to me that the 552 has a definite place in Naim hierarchy, so whilst possibly one might expect the Statement to reduce in price over tomeand reduce the financial gap between it and the 552, the only likely successor to 552 would be relatively minor in significance of difference. 

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to inprove the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

zoot posted:

After living with my 552 for a few weeks and additionally installing a newly serviced supercap it's on a new level and is pure enjoyment didn't really get it for a long while , money can't replace have much fun I'm having-

 

Worst Case Scenario, you are having a Visceral moment.

Even if, that was the case, it's important to note:

One's money may be long, but life is short!

Enjoy the Moment!

Allante93!

PS. My personal quote!

 

 

Innocent Bystander posted:
Bryce Curdy posted:

I suppose the other consideration here is whether Naim intend to release a new more 'affordable' amplifier based on Statement technology.  You have to wonder whether the 552 and 500's days are numbered.  CD555 is already history.  This comment will be probably be deleted by the moderators who don't like new product speculation..

Others with direct experience are more qualified to comment than I, but as a non-owner of any, but ........

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to improve the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

Naim introduced its Reference CDP in 2007, the following year, Linn ceased its Reference CDP. 

If I'm correct, Linn no longer manufactures an analog pre-amp, whilst Naim's 272 is headlining Audiobarns upcoming event!

As it relates to flawed media, I think it's more of a sign of the times, and Bean Counters!

Otherwise, why manufacture any CDP!

JMHO!

Allante93!

PS. I recall a young man, who rather enjoys his flawed media:

CD555>S1>Active Ovators!

BTW, my Cdx2 is sounding fantastic!

Cdx2>282>Passive Tri-amped Briks!

Enjoy Your Music, Albeit Linn, Krell, Arcam, Primare, Chord, NAD, or even Naim!

Innocent Bystander posted

 

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to inprove the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

Flawed medium my backside.  Millions of people worldwide continue to enjoy their music CD. Simple.to use, reliable, no soft/firmware issues.....

I can't recall this very moment, but another young man, has suggested a new Paradigm!

Para phrasing, Of Course:

No longer are we restricted to The Analog TT, and The Digital CD.

The Analog TT, The Digital CDP, and Digital Streaming, depending on Music & Mode!

Allante93!

PS. BTW 

The Analog Pre-Amp is a nice hub to navigate all three formats, if one has the means.

I'm from the camp 2 out 3!

That's personal choice:

CD555

NDS

LP 12

Just saying!

 

The Strat (Fender) posted:
Innocent Bystander posted

 

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to inprove the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

Flawed medium my backside.  Millions of people worldwide continue to enjoy their music CD. Simple.to use, reliable, no soft/firmware issues.....

the major advantage of the cd is the relative low cost and good value box sets of favourite artists  .speak to dealers and they hardly sell cdp players of £1000 anymore   downloads are far to expensive too.

audio1946 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
Innocent Bystander posted

 

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to inprove the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

Flawed medium my backside.  Millions of people worldwide continue to enjoy their music CD. Simple.to use, reliable, no soft/firmware issues.....

the major advantage of the cd is the relative low cost and good value box sets of favourite artists  .speak to dealers and they hardly sell cdp players of £1000 anymore   downloads are far to expensive too.

Indeed - outstanding value even if you purchase merely to rip them.

The Strat (Fender) posted:
audio1946 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted: 

Flawed medium my backside.  Millions of people worldwide continue to enjoy their music CD. Simple.to use, reliable, no soft/firmware issues.....

the major advantage of the cd is the relative low cost and good value box sets of favourite artists  .speak to dealers and they hardly sell cdp players of £1000 anymore   downloads are far to expensive too.

Indeed - outstanding value even if you purchase merely to rip them.

Agreed!

The Analog TT, The Digital CDP, and Digital Streaming, depending on MUSIC & MOOD!

Allante93!

PS. BTW 

The Analog Pre-Amp is a nice hub to navigate all three formats, if one has the means all three formats/media.

I'm from the camp 2 out 3!

Of Course, that's a personal choice:

*CD555

*NDS

LP 12

Allante93!

PS. Typo mood not mode!

The Strat (Fender) posted:
audio1946 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
Innocent Bystander posted

 

CD555 is a different matter, as it was limited by the more flawed CD medium than streaming solutions, so for digital it would seem to make more sense to inprove the streaming products, which might not necessarily even mean substantial elevation to cost.

Flawed medium my backside.  Millions of people worldwide continue to enjoy their music CD. Simple.to use, reliable, no soft/firmware issues.....

the major advantage of the cd is the relative low cost and good value box sets of favourite artists  .speak to dealers and they hardly sell cdp players of £1000 anymore   downloads are far to expensive too.

Indeed - outstanding value even if you purchase merely to rip them.

I said nothing about the value of CD, nor the enjoyability of playing them, both of which indeed mean the CD has a place and I am sure will continue for quite some time to come. For the sake of clarity, in case not so, my reference to being flawed was as a medium played in real time in a CD player, and was relative to streaming from a stored file (though I omitted to specify that I meant streaming from a locally srored file, not online). 

A CD player has to maintain accurate laser/sensor positioning, and there is the possibility of damage to or deposits on the CD causing read errors, and to cope with real life i perfections, CD players incorporate error correction algorithms. As a result they don't necessarily create a bit-perfect copy of the original. Yes, with a perfectly adjusted non-worn mechanism and pristine CD the signal fed to the DAC can be the same as streamed from a file, but the medium does present real risks of degradation compared to streaming, hence my view that it is flawed, 

CD is also limiting with regard to resolution, although that opens the debate regarding whether red book is as good as you can hear/detect, and of course different mastering can create positive and negative differences in perceived sound quality between different resolution versions.

it is purely a guess, and Naim of course may choose to correct this, but it is possible that the withdrawal of the CD555 reflected a combination of low or even fallng sales, and a recognition that streaming offers better potential and so is a better place to focus resources and hopefully generate more future sales, and this was the point of my post following Bryce Curdy's speculation tgat seemed to be based at least in part on withdrawal of the CD555.

 

(I make no comment on, and have no wish to contemplate, the perfection or otherwise of your backside! )

For the avoidance of any doubt, I do recognise that streaming had a substantial role in the withdrawl of the CD555, but equally I suspect Naim will release amplifiers using the Statement technology but at a less crazy price, and equally that they will release a reference streamer to companion the Statement.  I don't believe the 552 and 500 will be available 5 years from now.

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