65" TV -What are the recommendations ?

The Kuro is still doing fine, but........

  • ......the internal antenna is somehow disconnected so the TV channels including Freeview, have to be imported from a Panasonic DVD player - as indeed so do DVDs, although I tend to use a Pioneer DVD player for DVDs.
  • However, Mrs D finds this all a bit confusing and keeps asking me to just get a "proper TV set that "works"

So what do you recommend ? It has to be significantly better than the Pioneer in every way. No compromise in that respect ! 65" seems about the right size, given the area of the Pioneer includes the frame and side speakers.

Cherrs, Don

"laid-back-but-awfully-reassuring"

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I would add, that with B&O, even if the aethetics don't motivate you, the UI is very nice.  I have found the 36" Play TV I have integrated with my 20-year-old B&O system is even good VFM, given what I am after, which is quality, durability, integration, and overall user-experience.

Not for everybody, but nothing is.

Nick

After a good demo, where I was allowed to alter the picture settings myself, we ended up with a Samsung 65" UE65JS9500. My only beef is the curved screen, which seems to have no advantage to us, maybe because we sit a long way away from the TV. I'm pleased to note they now offer flat versions. We had a Panasonic 65" plasma beforehand, and the Samsung's a considerable improvement. Although I don't use its internal speakers the sound is surprisingly decent from them. I really couldn't see any picture advantage with the LG OLED set I did the comparison with ("Which?" magazine agrees), and certainly the sound quality wasn't as good.

It really depends on how much you want to spend. I agree with IANG, I have an LG OLED E6 and couldn't be more happier

Irrespective of what you finally purchase I would recommend getting a professional calibration, you'll be amazed at the difference

Don't get sucked in by QLED, it's trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If you want the current best then pay for OLED

Also, don't be tempted to go smaller than 65" else you just wont see the benefit of 4k, unless you're sitting very close!

Sony KD-65A1 4K HDR OLED is getting rave reviews at the moment being one of the best OLED out there. The sound system is very good with the speaker is at the back of the screen making it seem that it is coming out of the picture, apparently it works well. I have a pioneer LX-5090 and is still going strong but i have been looking at the 55" version of the sony.

robgr posted:

Don't get sucked in by QLED, it's trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If you want the current best then pay for OLED

 

I certainly didn't get "sucked in" when I preferred Samsung QLED over LG OLED, and I'm sure Don's discerning enough not to do so either. A rather more objective assessment of the latest large-screen TVs by "Which?" says -"This stunning Samsung QLED TV delivers in all regards. With excellent picture quality, supreme sound and Samsung's intuitive smart-TV platform, if you’re looking for a TV in this price range the QE55Q7F must make your shortlist.
Read more: http://www.which.co.uk/reviews...e/top-5-tvs-for-2017 - Which?". It gives Samsung QLEDs the top two spots of in their "Best Of Five" assessment, with LG nos. four & five, Philips OLED at number three. I'm sure there are folks who prefer the LG, and so be it.   

Both Samsung and LG have great models currently.. I preferred LG OLED and went that way.. to my eyes it appears more natural, but just like Hi-Fi this is personal, the Samsung QLED models also look impressive, if not to me as always as natural...

underneath the covers there are things like support for UHD profiles and protocols.. there is more to UHD than just screen resolution... and I felt more at ease with LG as they seem to be focussing on this area with steady enhancement downloads ... I am sure Samsung is the same, just it wasn't as apparent to me...

I'd give a plug for L&G OLED range too, Don. I was really quite startled at just how much better it was over my Sony.  The L&G was very good straight out of the box, as set-up by the John Lewis delivery guys, but a friend kindly calibrated the thing properly and it was even better.  Only downside - my doesn't it show up the imperfections in the presenters' faces! 

I've been running an LG 55 inch OLED since the start of the year and love it. I had mine calibrated as a matter of course which resolved a green tinge to the flesh tones which are now spot on. Audio is Aldo good but I use mine with a Sonos Playbar for regular use.

Blacks are blacker than a black cat in a coal cellar at mindnight.

MDS posted:

I'd give a plug for L&G OLED range too, Don. I was really quite startled at just how much better it was over my Sony.  The L&G was very good straight out of the box, as set-up by the John Lewis delivery guys, but a friend kindly calibrated the thing properly and it was even better.  Only downside - my doesn't it show up the imperfections in the presenters' faces! 

I have LG OLED - Supplied and set up by John Lewis too. MDS, Ravenswood, do you know what parameters the better recalibration adjusted?  mine is great, but just occasionally large expanses of dark colours can show strange artefacts like a swirling effect...

kevin J Carden posted:
MDS posted:

I'd give a plug for L&G OLED range too, Don. I was really quite startled at just how much better it was over my Sony.  The L&G was very good straight out of the box, as set-up by the John Lewis delivery guys, but a friend kindly calibrated the thing properly and it was even better.  Only downside - my doesn't it show up the imperfections in the presenters' faces! 

I have LG OLED - Supplied and set up by John Lewis too. MDS, Ravenswood, do you know what parameters the better recalibration adjusted?  mine is great, but just occasionally large expanses of dark colours can show strange artefacts like a swirling effect...

When my LG was calibrated, it was essentially the ISF settings that were calibrated... and this essentially addressed setting the gamma S curve for all three colours and luminance  across 20 intensity settings using a colorimeter .. as well setting the colour balance. These settings are under Picture Mode Settings/Expert Controls

Simon-in-Suffolk posted

When my LG was calibrated, it was essentially the ISF settings that were calibrated... and this essentially addressed setting the gamma S curve for all three colours and luminance  across 20 intensity settings using a colorimeter .. as well setting the colour balance. These settings are under Picture Mode Settings/Expert Controls

It's not just the settings, you need the meters and software and it's all v. expensive!  (notwithstanding the knowledge!) 

The best option is to bite the bullet and pay for a professional calibration, you won't be disappointed

kevin J Carden posted:
MDS posted:

I'd give a plug for L&G OLED range too, Don. I was really quite startled at just how much better it was over my Sony.  The L&G was very good straight out of the box, as set-up by the John Lewis delivery guys, but a friend kindly calibrated the thing properly and it was even better.  Only downside - my doesn't it show up the imperfections in the presenters' faces! 

I have LG OLED - Supplied and set up by John Lewis too. MDS, Ravenswood, do you know what parameters the better recalibration adjusted?  mine is great, but just occasionally large expanses of dark colours can show strange artefacts like a swirling effect...

Do you imbibe of any "substances" before watching? Real life occasionally has some swirling effects for me.

I have an LG OLED too, albeit "only" the 55 inch B6V. I have seen what I think are the "swirling artefacts" referred to above on dark scenes -- I think this is more commonly referred to as banding or posterisation. Other than this problem which occurs rarely the TV is stunning.

The worst example I have seen is in the title sequence of Taboo (which is a great series, and I'm coincidentally listening right now to the great soundtrack by Max Richter which has just been released). The swimmer surfaces from the deep water surrounded by a swirling mass of banding which is pretty ugly. Have any of you with a calibrated set got Taboo recorded by any chance? It would be good to know whether calibration can fix this.

 

robgr posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted

When my LG was calibrated, it was essentially the ISF settings that were calibrated... and this essentially addressed setting the gamma S curve for all three colours and luminance  across 20 intensity settings using a colorimeter .. as well setting the colour balance. These settings are under Picture Mode Settings/Expert Controls

It's not just the settings, you need the meters and software and it's all v. expensive!  (notwithstanding the knowledge!) 

The best option is to bite the bullet and pay for a professional calibration, you won't be disappointed

Exactly, I do have some of the equipment for my photography calibration work, but I paid for a pro to do my calibration on the TV, as I didn't have a calibrated HDMI frame  generator. I used the guy who did my Panny plasma before.. but my point is it is exactly those settings that are adjusted against the specific targets and measurements

Adrian_P posted:

I have an LG OLED too, albeit "only" the 55 inch B6V. I have seen what I think are the "swirling artefacts" referred to above on dark scenes -- I think this is more commonly referred to as banding or posterisation. Other than this problem which occurs rarely the TV is stunning.

The worst example I have seen is in the title sequence of Taboo (which is a great series, and I'm coincidentally listening right now to the great soundtrack by Max Richter which has just been released). The swimmer surfaces from the deep water surrounded by a swirling mass of banding which is pretty ugly. Have any of you with a calibrated set got Taboo recorded by any chance? It would be good to know whether calibration can fix this.

 

Banding can come from many sources... not least in using very compressed colour spaces. I do use 10 bit colour depth, and extended gamut... it doesn't eliminate posterisation on very compressed content , it is however reduced... If you are seeing posterisation in the blacks, with blocks of black, this can be significantly improved with calibration. It is in the very dark /low luminosity colours that I saw the biggest benefits in calibrating my LG OLED... more luminous colours were pretty good straight from the factory...

Thanks, Simon. I record HD TV to a Humax PVR which runs custom firmware so I can decrypt and save recordings to my NAS. I then usually play back from Kodi running on a LibreElecced Raspberry Pi 3. I don't think I can use 10-bit colour depth (I tried it on the PVR and Pi HDMI inputs and very strange things happened). I usually only record from BBC channels without ads, and these generally have decent bit rates, but problems like the Taboo opening titles might be related to compression/bit rate I suppose. But, good to know that calibration helps with dark scene resolution.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

When my LG was calibrated, it was essentially the ISF settings that were calibrated... and this essentially addressed setting the gamma S curve for all three colours and luminance  across 20 intensity settings using a colorimeter .. as well setting the colour balance. These settings are under Picture Mode Settings/Expert Controls

Have Klein, can travel...

The whole curved thing is a con anyway. for two reasons: on the early 4k panels, the LED cell was much deeper than normal, and caused a narrower field of view from the front of the LED. If you moved your head side to side in front of the TV, you would see a vertical strip directly in front of you (wherever you were on the panel) that was brighter than the surrounding area. Caused by the reduced angle of projection from the deeper cell. Its a good test to do to a panel today -- most are much better. Curving came around as a way of bringing the sides more on-axis than they otherwise would have been. A fix for a fault, as it were.

Also, the cheaper chinese factories couldnt make curved panels at the time, so it was used as a a differentiator to keep high end brands expensive.

Between the two justifications, the money was on the latter with the former being a useful short term fix until the cell depth was reduced. 

Have just bought a couple of the 500 quid samsung 4k UHD 40" tv. Stunning value for money. 

I popped into John Lewis yesterday for a preliminary look-see.

I had hoped to compare 65" Samsung QLED and LG 65" OLED.

They didn't have a 65" LG OLED so I compared their 55" versions. The 55" Samsung QLED appealed to me more so than the 55"LG OLED.

The Samsung 65" QLED was more appealing than the 55" Samsung QLED.

However, they did have a 65" Panasonic OLED on display and this was even more appealing than the 65" Samsung QLED.

Has anybody else compared the 65" Samsung QLED; 65" LG OLED and 65" Panasonic OLED ?

The Samsung retails for c. £2,800; the LG for c.£2,900 and the Panasonic for c.£4,000

I've been very happy with my 55" Samsung and basic Samsung Blu Ray player. It's not OLED, though. Keep an eye out for deals from Costco and Groupon. 

Avoid Samsung's balky wifi interface and hardwire your TV to your computer. We had wires run under the floor, and it was money well spent. We also found that Samsung would throttle or block any streaming services it found inappropriate for you to watch.

Also bought LG 55C7 to replace an ageing 32" old Sony!

Stunning tv, everything about it from the remote to the amazing picture.even the sound is pretty good.

Going to have an electrician put in power sockets/ aerial and chase the cabling into the wall so I can wall mount.

Need 2 HDMi so going with 3 x 5meters and 1 spare, 1 Optical to feed a inexpensive DAC to 552 and maybe 2 CAT6 to connect directly to broadband router. 

Any other tips/recommdations as when the cableing is in the wall it will be fixed?

Will also replace an old Humux PVR with new Humux 1tb FVP-500 and keep PS4 for blueray/DVD duties.

Andy

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