Another Tellurium Q question

I am deciding whether to take the plunge and get one of the TQ speakers cables to go with my SN and Dynaudio speakers. TQ cables seem to get a lot of love on this forum.

The options are (price ascending):

1. TQ Black (much discussed on this forum)

2. TQ Silver (not much info) - there is a newer version as well which is called Silver II

3. TQ Ultra Blue (it appears to be a rebadged Green)

4. TQ Ultra Black

The main issue for me is the length. Does the Naim recommendation regarding the minimum length apply with this cable? If not, I could go higher up the ladder and get a shorter length of a more expensive (and probably better) cable. 

I've read a lot on this forum and elsewhere regarding the improved clarity and resolution of TQ cables over the NACA5, but I am most concerned about the low frequencies and the ability of these cables to produce deep and well defined bass.

Opinions?

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I use black with my SN. They are excellent! The Ultra blacks are even better, at a price. Lengths aren't so critical with the integrated amps. 

Btw TQ green is now blue diamond. Above silver, but below ultra black. 

I wouldn't go with silver with Naim gear. Particularly if you love your bass. 

Amused,

I'm currently using a 2.5 meter pair of TQ Blue Diamond speaker cable with my SN2, and am happy with it. No issues whatsoever.

I love what they do but the only way to find out if they work for you is to try them at home..

 

Ultra black are the best on the list. That's just my opinion. You'd really have to try the silvers in your system with your speakers. I've heard them and there's plenty of detail as you'd expect with silver. But I felt they were bass light, which I'm not keen on. I haven't compared the blue diamonds to the blacks. I decided to stick with the black 'family'. Demoing ultra blacks at the moment. 

I tried all of your 4 choices at home and they all work well. Ultra Black is undoubttebly the best one, if money's not a problem. Silver has tighter, slightly less bass, ( in my setup anyway)but a very open top end, not agressive mind you.

I think modern Naim amps behave much better with shorter speaker cables than vintage ones.  I did try a 2m pair of Naca5 without apparent problems with my then SN, but it was too much of a tight fit here (and pricing of that cable did not matter much anyway...)

Hope this helps.

The main thing for me about TQ cables is I find they do not alter Naim's main qualities like rythmic pace, and enhance their ability to follow any instrument in the orchestra. 

I feel I only gained in bass weight and definition, with what I currently have. UB's a better cable still.

I had the Chord Epic Reference but didn't like it eventually and returned it for a refund.

So I need to make the right choice now. I guess it's the Ultra Black then. I have no chance to hear it before buying, so will have to take your word on it as it will be a blind buy. 

Amused posted:

 

The main issue for me is the length. Does the Naim recommendation regarding the minimum length apply with this cable?

I'm using a TQ black 2.5 meter with great satisfaction. For me a definitive cable that will not replace in the future

I also read in the Forum that Naits are less fuzzy about cable length, but to be on the safe side I emailed Phil from Naim. He didn't confirm these rumours in the Forum,  but said that 3.5m minimum (when using NACA5) remained in place for Naits. When using different cables, Phil recommended approaching manufacturers for advice.

Amused,I used a cheap 2 dollars a foot speaker cable when I had my SN2,that my local dealer has in a big roll,and he recommends...I believe it was 3m lengths I had,it worked great.I would spend my money on a high cap dr first I I were you,much more improvement than any cable will bring.

I use Ultra Blacks with my NAP 300. They made this amp soooo much better, which is no mean feat as it is truly an accomplished amp. they just made everything more coherent and real. Natural sums it up best probably. You just stop listening for hifi stuff and listen to the music.

regards,

Steve O.

 

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Amused,I used a cheap 2 dollars a foot speaker cable when I had my SN2,that my local dealer has in a big roll,and he recommends...I believe it was 3m lengths I had,it worked great.I would spend my money on a high cap dr first I I were you,much more improvement than any cable will bring.

I tried both with my SN. I found them both great upgrades. I went with the HC as I'm heading for a 282 and my dealer gave me a great deal. Of course you do need another snaic, so that cost must be added

No quarter posted:

Amused,I used a cheap 2 dollars a foot speaker cable when I had my SN2,that my local dealer has in a big roll,and he recommends...I believe it was 3m lengths I had,it worked great.I would spend my money on a high cap dr first I I were you,much more improvement than any cable will bring.

A HCdr is certainly a good move forward but TQ cables are exceptional,  and without question they do make a considerable difference ....

I have not tried TQ cables,but I use Naca5 with my 272...I did own a pair of Nordost Heimdall 2 cables when I had my SN2,from my home theatre,so I tried those in place of the generic cable i normally used.There was a minor difference at best,but adding the high cap dr to the SN2 was a VERY big jump to me.If you are honest with yourself,do they really make that much difference(cables) compared to adding a power supply? or is it all in your head,sorry not trying to start a cable/DBT test debate here,but I say get the boxes sorted out first.

No quarter posted:

I have not tried TQ cables,but I use Naca5 with my 272...I did own a pair of Nordost Heimdall 2 cables when I had my SN2,from my home theatre,so I tried those in place of the generic cable i normally used.There was a minor difference at best,but adding the high cap dr to the SN2 was a VERY big jump to me.If you are honest with yourself,do they really make that much difference(cables) compared to adding a power supply? or is it all in your head,sorry not trying to start a cable/DBT test debate here,but I say get the boxes sorted out first.

What's the bottle neck in a system? Is it a box? Or a wire that connects them?  I've tried boxes and cables and if either didn't work I wouldnt part with my hard earned cash, trust me. 

Maybe the op will try each of the upgrades separately and let us know what he thinks? 

Amused posted:

The HCDR is already on order, delivery in 2 weeks.

I placed an order for a 2m pair of TQ Ultra Blacks as well. We'll see how it goes.

Should I be looking at TQ interconnects as well?

 

Ok,I did not realize you had ordered the high cap,all is well...maybe you can do the comparison when you get the cables and high cap,let us know which one is the more significant upgrade,just for kicks

No quarter posted:
Amused posted:

The HCDR is already on order, delivery in 2 weeks.

I placed an order for a 2m pair of TQ Ultra Blacks as well. We'll see how it goes.

Should I be looking at TQ interconnects as well?

 

Ok,I did not realize you had ordered the high cap,all is well...maybe you can do the comparison when you get the cables and high cap,let us know which one is the more significant upgrade,just for kicks

I believe the cable will arrive before the HCDR, but will be happy to post my observations regarding both upgrades.

Just a quick update on the Tellurium Q Ultra Black RCA-RCA interconnect. I had it in my system for a week now (connecting my Oppo UDP-203 and Supernait). I couldn't use the cable with my Chord Mojo as I accidentally broke my Audioquest 3.5mm-2RCA adapter, so had to wait for the replacement to arrive. Which it did today. In the meantime, the TQ cable was burning in on the Oppo.

As many of your know, the Chord Mojo has two 3.5mm line level outputs which work simultaneously (the idea is to have two pairs of cans connected at the same time). This is great for A/B testing.

A: Flashback Sales Premiere 3.5mm to DIN cable to the CD input on the SN

B: Audioquest 3.5mm to RCA splitter, then TQ UB RCA-RCA cable to the tuner input on the SN

Both cables burnt in (at least I think so).

The result? The TQ Ultra Black RCA cable absolutely OBLITERATED the Flashback Sales Premiere DIN cable in every possible department, be it the soundstage, the details and imaging, the separation, the bass. I had the Chord Epic Analogue RCA-RCA before and returned it because it was no better than the Flashback DIN cable. However, the TQ is absolutely marvelous! Both the Chord and the TQ are similarly priced, but in my opinion and in my system there is no contest - the TQ wins in every department.

The Flashback (a very good cable for the money) is unfortunately going back to David.

The testing was done on some cheap Oehlbach 4mm speaker cables, which are the weakest link in the system at the moment (they are there because I returned the Chord Epic Reference). But even these cables allowed the TQ to outshine the Flashback (and the Chord for that matter which was pretty dull and boring) by a country mile.

Can't wait for the TQ UB speaker cables to arrive!!!

 

Amused posted:
 The TQ Ultra Black RCA cable absolutely OBLITERATED the Flashback Sales Premiere DIN cable in every possible department,

 

I’m surprised you went for the premiere cable, you should have bought the performance cable. There are hints on the flashback website and not subtle ones at that, that suggest it is the cable to use with Naim equipment.

 I bought the flashback performance cable a couple of weeks ago to connect a mojo to to Naim pre amp. Compared to the mogami and kimber cable I’d tried previously, the flashback cable just sounds so musical, so right.

 Of coarse I have an olive/CB system, so I’m not really listening to soundstage, detail and imaging and separation, just the music.

 

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