Any left field ideas for an upgrade?

Not today anyway.  Tax day just is around the corner in the US.    

One key common theme between our rooms is the wooden floor.  Mine is suspended above a crawl space under the house.   The vibration feeds back from the speakers to the Fraim and it is audible through the Verdier.   The Herbie's Fat Gliders break that loop.  I doubt you would hear the difference nearly as much on a tile floor laid on a slab.  This is something to keep in mind when you are paying for international shipping and VAT.  

Skip posted:

Not today anyway.  Tax day just is around the corner in the US.    

One key common theme between our rooms is the wooden floor.  Mine is suspended above a crawl space under the house.   The vibration feeds back from the speakers to the Fraim and it is audible through the Verdier.   The Herbie's Fat Gliders break that loop.  I doubt you would hear the difference nearly as much on a tile floor laid on a slab.  This is something to keep in mind when you are paying for international shipping and VAT.  

Verdier la platine, very nice turntable. I had the choice between the Verdier and Sme20/2a, and finally had a good offer on an sme. But i would take a verdier  too, but not made anymore i think....I like this magnetic suspension and this big platter. 

You use the herbie 's tender feets. I have not tested them. Under my speakers i use finite elemente cerabases. I am very happy for the improvements they gave me.  I am also interested in the stillpoints or townsend seismic stands , but in the future....  

For nordost power cords, i don't know. They have very good reputation, but have not tested them. I use kharma matrix power cords and like them, and prefer them to the naim powerlines, which sounds a little bright for my ears.  My dealer have nordost, so i will try one day.

Just looking in this post and would suggest to look into the following aspects:

1. As already others have said you have a good front end so do consider 500 amp, it's not so much about power but more about quality of the sound. If you don't want to go there at least get the 300'dr

2. Power provisioning. Power cables and distribution. I am now quite happy with the Ansuz system, but there are also other good brands...., very often overlooked aspect of an upgrade.

3. Your profile doesn't give a hint on which nas you use. But if it's not an advanced one I would suggest you to switch to a Melco.

 

As always - first try it out yourself, before buying.

Hi, Mango.

What about a thumb drive into the NDS?  Is your NAS equally good?  If not, tweak that until parity.

Some (under 50%) prefer the 300 to the 500; so go slowly -- you might be one of them.  Some also find the CDS3 to be the best reference source.

I have heard neither the 300, nor CDS3, but hope to one day.  I struck at the 500 and CD555 "povertunity" during the recession - so I am doomed to temporary (I hope) ignorance.

Left-field enough?

Good luck; and keep posting!

Best,

Nick

 

Hi guys(and girls). I use remote QNAP NAS with Asset, feed through mains wiring,  for my 272. All files are wav ripped from my laptop.  I don't understand how a server can make any difference to sound quality. Can someone give me a convincing explanation ?... THX Philip

In my case I suspect it is that the Synology 1812+ NAS is underpowered. The RP3 has less memory, but it has a quad core processor. Also, the NAS is a specialist computer (storage) but is still built on generic building blocks - including the OS. Although the same thing can be leveled at the RP3 it is, I believe, simpler ....and piCorePlayer is a very stripped down OS for a specialist outcome.

All I can say is that having wrestled with a system that I have been unhappy with for months I am now just playing music again .....at last!

M

Been looking to find pictures of your listening room. Couldn't find them here. 

I would focus on improving room acoustics before DR-ing anything or buying something new. Finetuning your room acoustics objectively improves the way you perceive music at your listening position. A lot of folks find that certain "upgrades" merely change the sound without offering a distinct improvement. I've read this about DR upgrades but also power supply upgrades. I can imagine a 300 or 500 will maybe sound a bit different but will not change the level of excitement you get out of listening to your favourite tunes. On the other hand I have no personal experience with DR-ing or said power amps.....

There's some great books available that might be an interesting starting point (Jim Smith's book on room acoustics is a good starting point. I think he even offers a service where he comes to your house, to look where improvements can be had  (this probably costs less than DR-ing anything) 

However, If you have bout of GAS or upgraditis, this wil be hard to treat with room treatment, I'm afraid....

Keler Pierre posted:
Skip posted:

Not today anyway.  Tax day just is around the corner in the US.    

One key common theme between our rooms is the wooden floor.  Mine is suspended above a crawl space under the house.   The vibration feeds back from the speakers to the Fraim and it is audible through the Verdier.   The Herbie's Fat Gliders break that loop.  I doubt you would hear the difference nearly as much on a tile floor laid on a slab.  This is something to keep in mind when you are paying for international shipping and VAT.  

Verdier la platine, very nice turntable. I had the choice between the Verdier and Sme20/2a, and finally had a good offer on an sme. But i would take a verdier  too, but not made anymore i think....I like this magnetic suspension and this big platter. 

You use the herbie 's tender feets. I have not tested them. Under my speakers i use finite elemente cerabases. I am very happy for the improvements they gave me.  I am also interested in the stillpoints or townsend seismic stands , but in the future....  

For nordost power cords, i don't know. They have very good reputation, but have not tested them. I use kharma matrix power cords and like them, and prefer them to the naim powerlines, which sounds a little bright for my ears.  My dealer have nordost, so i will try one day.

Mr. Verdier passed away a couple of years ago.  I believe the table is still available.  I have been in touch with Mme. Verdier and she was very kind and supportive.  The US distributor, SoraSound,  still has the Verdier page up.  I believe the Verdier is the culmination of a certain style of turntable, and I hope to keep mine forever.   The opposed magnet bearing has all the benefit of the air bearing with none of the drawbacks.   The high mass of the platter gets going and blasts through transients with its mass.  It just plays and plays.    Pristine highs, prodigious bass, and the king of PRAT, particularly with the Superline/Supercap.  Imagine the Rega of your dreams with a 40# platter and the base to support it and the motor to make it happen.  

It is a lot for a thief to carry but it sings at my house.  And I have the only one in the neighborhood.

pjb_4465 posted:

On the basis of this thread I have just ordered 8x Herbies brass Cone/Spike Decoupling Gliders to go under my Proac D30rs. (N272 N/XPSDR/Biamp NAP250DR/HIFI racks Podium slimline). Wooden floor, room 4 x 5m All the gear is recent and ex demo 2015/16 and definitely still improving in sound, with bass and soundstage opening out. Will report back on Herbie before/after

And on the basis of this thread I've ordered a set for my DeVore Nines. Responsibility will lie heavy upon you! Shall report also...

Skip posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Skip posted:

Not today anyway.  Tax day just is around the corner in the US.    

One key common theme between our rooms is the wooden floor.  Mine is suspended above a crawl space under the house.   The vibration feeds back from the speakers to the Fraim and it is audible through the Verdier.   The Herbie's Fat Gliders break that loop.  I doubt you would hear the difference nearly as much on a tile floor laid on a slab.  This is something to keep in mind when you are paying for international shipping and VAT.  

Verdier la platine, very nice turntable. I had the choice between the Verdier and Sme20/2a, and finally had a good offer on an sme. But i would take a verdier  too, but not made anymore i think....I like this magnetic suspension and this big platter. 

You use the herbie 's tender feets. I have not tested them. Under my speakers i use finite elemente cerabases. I am very happy for the improvements they gave me.  I am also interested in the stillpoints or townsend seismic stands , but in the future....  

For nordost power cords, i don't know. They have very good reputation, but have not tested them. I use kharma matrix power cords and like them, and prefer them to the naim powerlines, which sounds a little bright for my ears.  My dealer have nordost, so i will try one day.

Mr. Verdier passed away a couple of years ago.  I believe the table is still available.  I have been in touch with Mme. Verdier and she was very kind and supportive.  The US distributor, SoraSound,  still has the Verdier page up.  I believe the Verdier is the culmination of a certain style of turntable, and I hope to keep mine forever.   The opposed magnet bearing has all the benefit of the air bearing with none of the drawbacks.   The high mass of the platter gets going and blasts through transients with its mass.  It just plays and plays.    Pristine highs, prodigious bass, and the king of PRAT, particularly with the Superline/Supercap.  Imagine the Rega of your dreams with a 40# platter and the base to support it and the motor to make it happen.  

It is a lot for a thief to carry but it sings at my house.  And I have the only one in the neighborhood.

a great turntable, yes, and i am proud to be french. I have SME 20/2 with SME 5, not bad too...

NewNaim16 posted:
Skip posted:

After a Fraim and a DR, you should check out the products at Herbie's Audio Lab.  ...  This is the best value upgrade and the most significant benefit I have seen since the Fraim and DR upgrades.  For a couple hundred dollars,  I would try it under every non-Naim product in your system.  

+1. We have Herbie's Fat Dots supporting our moderately heavy ATC SCM19 speakers on Music Works stands, and the accoustic benefit was substantial. I've never met anyone else in the UK who's even heard of them, although I frequently suggest them. Shipping, import duty and VAT makes them substantially more expensive in the UK than in the US but it was still a very cost effective, easy and substantial upgrade for us. Next time though I'd get he ones with sticky tape on one side for that particular purpose!

@Skip: I don't want to derail this thread but have a quick question about Herbie's Fat Dots. Our 272/XPS/250 (all DR) is in a BDI TV Cabinet - no vinyl anymore. It's heresy I know but since we no longer enjoy US size living accommodation, compromises have to be made and a Fraim is not going to happen. I've been thinking about some more Fat Dots to fit under our Naim equipment and I seem to recall on a different thread sometime back that you mentioned that you've done the same? I don't know if they add any incremental sonic value to the feet already fitted to the Naim equipment, so was it worthwhile and did you fit them under everything?

Thanks ...

Thanks Skip and NewNaim for drawing my attention to Herbies Fat Dots . I've just installed eight 1 inch Fat dots one side sticky between my ATC19s and Custom Designs stands . They do work as described , definitely more clarity in bass  (tighter)/ mids is the first impression . I'd been contemplating something similar for a while and for roughly $80 plus £23 duty / post office charge they are very good value . I won't need to remove them to appreciate  their benefit or query the mechanics . A great reminder of how valuable and worldly knowledgable this Forum is . 

@pete T15: Glad that you like the Herbie's Fat Dots. FWIW, since the SCM19 speakers are quite a bit heavier at the front, I have mine set back on the stand so that the speaker C of G is in the middle of the stand, giving a more even weight loading on the fat dots. No idea if it makes any difference to the sound but I was happier 

Ha! This is interesting – I hadn't seen this recent post, and I have just installed Herbie's things in titanium under my DeVore Nines replacing Naim Chips. Thinking the chips must be designed as anti-vibration devices and not merely floor protectors, I put them under my Aurender server and Luxman DAC, upside-down as recommended by some sages of this forum. And I came over here to write that to my surprise, the result of this obsessional activity is I can hear a definitely tightening up in the higher bass range – the first thing I listened to was Eric Dophy's Out of Lunch album, my go-to when listening to any change in the system since it's complex music well-recorded and with a wide range of instrumental timbres, and it was the more haptic sense of bass strings being plucked that I noticed immediately as improved. Another satisfied customer... 

Just to clarify for you.

We have four of the Herbie's Giant Fat Gliders under each of the ProAc D40R's.

We have four of the Herbie's Tenderfeet Extra Firm under the Verdier.

We may add a couple more Gliders and Tenderfeet as indicated and see if we can tell the difference.  

We have Herbie's Way Excellent II Turntable mat on the Verdier platter.

We have Herbie's Grungebuster sheet product, cut to size, at the interface between the Granito base and the tonearm setup tower, and between the tower and the Moerch tonearm.

We have no experience with the other Herbie's products, but they should work well if our experience is any indication. 

We have not and would not put any of them under Naim products.

We are glad to see you all buying American products and reporting favorably on them.

Don't hesitate to contact us if you are over this way.  We can be contacted through the contact information in the profile.

If you have a turntable, try this.  Just out from Analog Productions. Another great suggestion from the Vinyl Valet.

 

 

 

I found the Linn very disappointing. Smooth and flat, with poor dynamics. Typical anodyne, unmusical "high-end" and nothing like what Ivor used to advocate. I'm told the new KDS is much improved, however, but then the second or third generation I heard was supposed to be a vast improvement on what came before.

Christopher_M posted:
Kevin Richardson posted:

I really want this setup....

Which?

C.

Linn Klimax Exakt with the new Katalyst DAC. A one box with 3 Ethernet cables and 2 speaker solution. I'm sick of this mess of cables and the never ending temptation to try expensive speaker wire. Unfortunately I can't find anywhere to listen to one to see if the hype is real.

 

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