BBC radio streams

hi all

 

As many of you are aware the BBC recently switched off their WMA and AAC streams in favour of HLS formats (plus a "legacy" Shoutcast mp3 stream available but at lower bit rate).

 

Naim products should now all link to this "legacy" mp3 streams - however - please be aware that the BBC themselves have admitted that the Shoutcast stream isn’t very stable at present. Furthermore, if you have a BBC station as a preset you will need to re-navigate to the stream in the listing and re-save the stream/preset (its ok to overwrite an existing preset)

 

Naim were informed in September that the WMA streams would be leaving us, but the communication indicated that AAC would continue. The communication (and test streams that we tried using a development variant of Naim Choice) all indicated that things would be fine and we had sat back thinking we were ahead of the curve. Sadly as the switch over occurred, the aac streams have been embedded within the m3u8 container that we cannot currently decode. 

 

Rest assured that as soon as we realized what had occurred we a) talked to the BBC to formally request that aac was re-instated, b) started work on understanding what HLS/DASH would need in order to be available on our products. 

 

The BBC has informed me that the previously available AAC stream cannot be re-instated, and so, Naim and many other UK (and non UK) manufacturers and customers are now working hard to resolve the situation for our customers

 

The head of BBC media services, has posted this blog

 

Naim are actively pushing to get our customers the BBC streams they desire, rest assured on this. It may take some time, but we are on it

 

Trevor (R&D)

Original Post
Originally Posted by likesmusic:

There's a post from simoncn on another site announcing that minimserver can now play the new BBC HLS AAC streams, and it converts them to a 'normal' AAC ADTS stream, which might be helpful to naim users.

Tried it. And the streams don't open.

Originally Posted by Bananahead:
Originally Posted by likesmusic:

There's a post from simoncn on another site announcing that minimserver can now play the new BBC HLS AAC streams, and it converts them to a 'normal' AAC ADTS stream, which might be helpful to naim users.

Tried it. And the streams don't open.

Linn users seem to be able to. And the JRiver community similarly. 

Simon at Minimserver has now worked out a fix which works!


The stream will play if you transcode it to L16. To do this, add the 'aac' stream type to the playlist entry, for example:

#EXTINF:-1,[*R3;aac] BBC Radio 3
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8

and add the following to the stream.transcode property:

aac:L16

After making these changes, do a MinimServer rescan and clear the Naim app's UPnP cache.

 

(http://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=2173)

 

Sorry to be dense here RK but could you help please?

 

I've been to the Minim site and see the 320 feeds.  I've not used Minim for radio before, so where do I put the streams?  It does not work if I add them as a "Content" under Server.  Is it a Stream.transcode under System or what?  Can I add R3, R4 etc like that? 

 

And do I add the aac.L16 you refer to as a suffix so that it finishes "m3u8.aac:L16"

 

Many  thanks

 

JSH

hi all

 

the BBC Radio 3 UK 320K stream is now available again inside Naim Choice menu on your products. you will need to exit that menu and re-enter it to get the updated URL.

 

the BBC have not yet given a time when the stream will be de-activated (we had a call with them today) but its gonna be a while

 

cheers

 

Trev

Hi JSH

I have a radio3 playlist within my music folder named Radio3.m3u

It contains:

 

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:-1,[*R3;aac] BBC Radio 3
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8

 

The minimserver (streamer) properties has the following entry in the system:stream transcode field:

flac:wav24, aac:wav

 

This works for me.

 

Simon, who develops Minimserver, is amazingly helpful.  If my settings don't work for you, maybe ask him on the minimserver forum.

 

Good luck!

Let me know how you get on.

 

Sorry TW, I'm probably being thick but.....

 

I've deleted my R2 and R3 presets.  I've come out of Naim Choice; I've even re-booted my Qute.

 

But when I go back into Naim choice and look for R3 I still get an 128k MP3 feed and not 320.  What am I doing wrong?

 

Meanwhile, I'm off to explore RK's line

 

Thanks

 

JSH

Confirming that the new Radio 3 320K UK AAC stream in Naim's Choice is working on my mu-so.

 

I've also implemented the MinimServer UPnP solution which works well.

 

Finally, found I could paste the new URLs (e.g. http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8) into the Mac application Radium and then stream them to mu-so via AirPlay

 

So a triple-whammy here :-)

 

I'm afraid that my experience trying to listen to CD Review on R3 320 stream this morning was very unsatisfactory - signal kept disappearing. In the end, I had to find an alternative way of listening via my Virgin TiVo - lower quality, but at least it worked.

Originally Posted by DavidS:

...the MinimServer UPnP solution which works well.

 

There are now step by step instructions for Naim streamers at http://minimstreamer.com/naim/bbcradio.html

 

Finally, found I could paste the new URLs (e.g. http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8) into the Mac application Radium and then stream them to mu-so via AirPlay

 

The new BBC Radio 3 320 kbps URL is http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8. This can also be opened in Safari on a Mac.

 

Note that this only works in the United Kingdom. For other countries, replace /sbr_high/ with /high/.

Thanks Trev, it works for me.  Cheers. D
 
Originally Posted by Trevor Wilson:

one sudden brain wave later and i think i've got it

 

you should now see 2 BBC Radio 3 stream in Naim Choice - 

 

BBC Radio 3

BBC Radio 3 - 320K UK AAC 

 

if you can use the 320K UK AAC stream - i've left the other stream in for non UK customers just in case

 

Trev

 

Have just followed those detailed instructions to setup MinimServer to play BBC HLS AAC streams. It took a while. Had to install MinimServer on my QNAP NAS and control it via Minim Watch on my Windows laptop. After tweaking, it now plays the BBC streams beautifully!

My main problem was setting up the .m3u file. The minim server instructions allow you to download their sample file and convert it to a plain text file. I could not make this work and wasted a whole day trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. Eventually, I used Windows Notepad to write the file from scratch and save it as BBC Radio.m3u file. That worked instantly!

 

To play the BBC streams, just choose UPnP servers on the Naim app. Minim Server is there, listing the stations. Actually, to keep things simple, I downloaded Kinsky and set the BBC streams up on that app. It's easier for my wife to leave the Naim app alone for her albums.

Hi garrybeardieman,

Can you help please?  I still can't get this to go.  This is where I'm at:-

  • MinimServer and MinimWatch (latest editions) are installed and working well on my PC
  • I have copied the URLs from the Minim site
  • I have copied those into a Notepad file and saved it them as a txt file, then as a m3u8 file and then an m3u file
  • Naim (and Bubble) both see the m3u and m3u8 files as playlists within the folder I have set up for radio, but neither will open and play the files

What have I done wrong please or what else do I need to do please? 

Many thanks

JSH

 

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