Blu Ray Player

Currently my home cinema 5.1 system comprises a cheap Sony blu ray player into a surround sound receiver (Rotel RSX 1550) via HDMI. The front left/right channels are run via my Naim 252/300 with the 252 in AV bypass mode. All other channels are run by the Rotel.

My question is this, in the above set up, would replacing the Sony blu ray with a premium player (e.g. Oppo etc) would I benefit with improved picture and audio or are these processed in the Rotel and hence would be the same quality regardless of which blu ray player I use ?

Apologies if this is a very basic question but I'm not sure which part of the chain is responsible for what as far as the audio and image processing is concerned.

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Hi IANG,

In your setup you should most definitely benefit on the picture front, especially if you go for one of the OPPO D models like the 103D as these have Darbee picture processing built in which can make a real difference.

If you have your Blu Ray player set to output Bitstream then your receiver will be doing the decoding so you probably won't notice much difference on the audio front, you could try setting to PCM though so that the player does the decoding and outputs it to the receiver but overall it is never a bad idea to use a quality player but it may be prudent to just wait a little longer as the new models are just round the corner from OPPO to cater for 4K etc.

Regards,

Paul.

Oppo are truly excellent. Still got my ancient old Oppo DVD player, & I've currently got a 103D (don't need the DAC processing, since I either send through my Denon processor via HDMI or to my Chord DAC via optical). I'm waiting with great anticipation for their 4K model.

Hi Iang,

I replaced my AV2 using the Oppo 105D analogue outputs, which you could do with your Rotel. If you have a nearby dealer I would see if you can borrow the 105D and compare the Oppo processing to the Rotel, be interested in what you find. Works brilliantly with my Audio videos, as well as normal movies. The Oppo is surprisingly capable as a network streamer, although it obviously won't threaten your NDS.

M

This is a great topic which addresses a question many of us must have. We're all looking for the 4K Blu Ray players to come.

Personally, I do like the Cambridge Audio stuff as well, and they have also no 4K Blu Ray player yet.

Has anybody heared any news on Cambridge Audio 4K BR players?

Given that the current Cambridge Audio Azur is based on the Oppo, and is a hybrid placed somewhere between the 103 & 105 spec list, I'd be surprised if Cambridge offer a 4k player before Oppo do.

I've seen images of the new Oppo 203, which appears to have lost one of the HDMI inputs compared to the pair fitted to the outgoing 103.

As I don't have a 4k screen, have oodles of DVDs and a handfull of regular blurays, and as I aim to use the new player like Mr Underhill as a processor either when (or better still, before) my AV2 decides to shuffle off, if the forthcoming 205 premium model (that's an intelligent guess, not a known fact) doesn't offer a serious step up on the DAC front then I may very well grab an end of line 105D.

Eloise posted:
Mike1380 posted:

I've seen images of the new Oppo 203, which appears to have lost one of the HDMI inputs compared to the pair fitted to the outgoing 103.

According to CNet the 203 has twin HDMI outputs.

Yep, I saw that in the images too.... but the 103/105 also have two HDMI INputs each (one front, one back).

The images of the 203 clearly show a single HDMI INput and 2 x HDMI output on the rear, but the front panel only seems to have a USB in, no HDMI in.

Kevin-W posted:

Looks like the 203 wil be priced at £599 and it will be available here by Xmas. Two HDMI outputs, 7.1-channel surround sound speaker outputs, three USB 3.0 outputs, built in wi-fi and optical and coaxial digital outputs.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/new...y-playing-powerhouse

Oh God, I really, really want one of these! I guess it'll also have an HDMI input, which until I got 4K I put all my video sources through to take advantage of the Darbee processing in my 103D. For what you get the price is a bargain.

I was in the biggest electronic store around here (TV, trash audio, etc...the usual stuff) and chatted with a sales person ....He told me, that they will remove their offerings of BlueRay recorder/players because of streaming provider (netflix and co). Young folks will not buy disk-player he says, they subscribe and move to the internet ;-)

That's what they said about vinyl. If young folk don't buy bluray, it's because they don'y have any money. The same reason they don't go to the cinema. The big money is from us old folks, who buy fancy vinyl boxsets, hence vinyl sales revenue higher than downloads.

Is there a cheaper BRP and SACDP, for me more than 2 channel is a waste but maybe a better picture is worth looking into, as TV will be due for an update soon. 

As one of the old folks, I can afford to but choose not to pay these hugely inflated prices for, vinyl in general and these ridiculous and to me spurious box sets. No surprise as Count says that vinyl revenue is so high. 

count.d posted:

I was getting excited about the Oppo arriving too, until it sunk in that's there's nothing to play in it.

There are quite a few 4K BluRays out at the moment, plus this player will upscale "standard" BluRays to 4K, and anything else you feed it with. Want one...

tonym posted:

I received notification yesterday that the new Oppo UDP-203 4K disc player is available to pre-order, with despatch in two days. But only for the USA at the moment. Booo!!!

What hifi have just said the Oppo will be on sale here in the U.K. at the end of the week at £649. 

count.d posted:

There were some films I was interested in that have just been released Tony. They state "4k restorations" in the description, but only play in 1080 hd. Very strange.

I have some Jean Michel Jarre Cd's from 1997 which have a big sticker on the front saying " 24 Bit Digital Re-Master' with "96 Khz-24 bit" on the back, yet they only play at CD 16 bit quality...

Guy007 posted:

For those that want images / info on the 203, go here https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-203/

For those referencing the Darbee edition of the 103/105, here is what OPPO support responded to me on the question of a Darbee edition for the 203/205

"At the moment Darbee does not have a 4K solution.  If or when they do, we can then investigate that possibility."

Yes, I saw something similar Guy. So the question is, will the new player's picture quality be better than my 103D on 1080P? I do use Darbee, but only gently. I suppose I'll have to buy one to find out (or wait for others to report on the issue).

Guy007 posted:
count.d posted:

There were some films I was interested in that have just been released Tony. They state "4k restorations" in the description, but only play in 1080 hd. Very strange.

I have some Jean Michel Jarre Cd's from 1997 which have a big sticker on the front saying " 24 Bit Digital Re-Master' with "96 Khz-24 bit" on the back, yet they only play at CD 16 bit quality...

Have you tried looking at the digital music files on the disc Guy? Sometimes discs will have the HD files present but for reasons known only to the gods, won't play them. DVD Audio Extractor will tell you (which you probably know...).

tonym posted:

Yes, I saw something similar Guy. So the question is, will the new player's picture quality be better than my 103D on 1080P? I do use Darbee, but only gently. I suppose I'll have to buy one to find out (or wait for others to report on the issue).

Tony, this is one of the reason's I'm going to wait to buy, until the early adopters can give feedback on the 203 in comparison to the 103/D and 105/D in picture & sound.

tonym posted:
Guy007 posted:
 

Have you tried looking at the digital music files on the disc Guy? Sometimes discs will have the HD files present but for reasons known only to the gods, won't play them. DVD Audio Extractor will tell you (which you probably know...).

Tony, I have not done that admittedly, so I will give that a try.  Looking at the underneath surface it looks like a normal CD, not like an SACD.  And dbpoweramp didn't increase anything, like when ripping HDCDs.

As an aside, I don't believe Jarre has released those files as Hi Res, even though he was 10/15 years ahead of where digital is now using those 24/96 files.

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