CD play options?

Anyone have any views/experience/opinions on a bare CDX2 vs a UnitiServe plus DAC V1 for CD play..... into a 272?

Or is playing CD’s a thing of the past now?

Appreciate thoughts etc.

KR, J

KR, J

Original Post

If you have a 272 rip and stream (using the UnitiServe, Core or your computer). It sounds better. You're still "playing" the CD so no, CDs are far from obsolete as they are still the cheapest way to purchase music and the liner notes are way better sorted than that which come with many on-line downloads. However, if you find a higher res download at an agreeable price of the CD you are about to buy, obviously purchase the download.

I don't think CD's are a thing of the past.....

When I purchase a CD I rip it to a NAS and play from there, it works for me and I am happy with the solution. 

I do not find the need for a CD player or CD Transport and find selection of music through a UPnP (Universal Plug ‘n’ Play) server residing on the NAS to preferable to physically handling the CD with each play.

I also enjoying streaming music on TIDAL which allows ample sampling prior to a purchase decision. 

That's what works for me.....

I understand that I may connect the US directly to the 272, however, a number of threads/posts seemed to indicate an improvement may be obtained by using an external DAC? Although neither the V1 nor the 272 featured explicitly in these posts, so I was considering the principle rather than discrete evidence.

Thanks all for the responses, all make sense and will drive the considerations.

KR, J

Dr_J posted:

I understand that I may connect the US directly to the 272, however, a number of threads/posts seemed to indicate an improvement may be obtained by using an external DAC? Although neither the V1 nor the 272 featured explicitly in these posts, so I was considering the principle rather than discrete evidence.

Thanks all for the responses, all make sense and will drive the considerations.

KR, J

You'd need an external dac that bests the dac in the 272.   Of course this is possible, depending on your price point.

Having given the options some considerable thought, I have settled on a CDX2 .

Some, perhaps many, opinions might indicate this to be a ‘bonkers’ choice, but having had a lengthy listening session with a 272 + XPS DR + 250 DR vs 272 + 250 DR + CDX2, I know which my ears preferred, so I decided to go with that. I don’t plan to change it in this lifetime, and, lottery permitting, I can always add psu’s at a later date.

Many Thanks to all for their advice and wisdom, you know who you are.

Happy New Year to All,

KR, J

Glad to hear you’ll be enjoying the sound of the CDX2. I’m very reluctant to move mine on at the moment. When I initially got my 272 I felt that streaming files from my laptop was on a par with the CDX2, but after streaming and spinning discs, I just can’t get away from how much better the CDX2 is at making music.

Finkfan posted:

Glad to hear you’ll be enjoying the sound of the CDX2. I’m very reluctant to move mine on at the moment. When I initially got my 272 I felt that streaming files from my laptop was on a par with the CDX2, but after streaming and spinning discs, I just can’t get away from how much better the CDX2 is at making music.

Quite agree. The DC1 improves on the Chord Clearway Digital as I play my CDX2 into nDAC + XPSDR. The UnitiServe via the same route is not as good and the Core not as good as the UnitiServe. The system setup needs to be spot on as well to really hear what these boxes can do. I still prefer vinyl!

Phil

Finkfan posted:

Glad to hear you’ll be enjoying the sound of the CDX2. I’m very reluctant to move mine on at the moment. When I initially got my 272 I felt that streaming files from my laptop was on a par with the CDX2, but after streaming and spinning discs, I just can’t get away from how much better the CDX2 is at making music.

Well the CDX2 is one heck of a player... for me it’s just the right device for certain CDs... elsewhere I use a non Naim DAC fed by my Naim NDX transport... however there is multitude of choice to suite taste and mood. BTW the CDX2 uses the same TI DAC chip device as used in the NDS and NDAC... however component  selection and implementation are different, but the CDX2 uses the renown ‘Pacific Microsonics’ DSP... really stonking  for CD.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Well diverting the thread somewhat but the Core is not as good as the Unitiserve?

If the OP brings UnitiServe in then why not Core? The Core is thought to be better for playback over Ethernet. I prefer my CDX2 over the UnitiServe using a better dac.

Phil

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Finkfan posted:

Glad to hear you’ll be enjoying the sound of the CDX2. I’m very reluctant to move mine on at the moment. When I initially got my 272 I felt that streaming files from my laptop was on a par with the CDX2, but after streaming and spinning discs, I just can’t get away from how much better the CDX2 is at making music.

Well the CDX2 is one heck of a player... for me it’s just the right device for certain CDs... elsewhere I use a non Naim DAC fed by my Naim NDX transport... however there is multitude of choice to suite taste and mood.

Very much agree with both comments, some cds are best used as coffee coasters others exceptionally good ...

Dr_J posted:

Having given the options some considerable thought, I have settled on a CDX2 .

Some, perhaps many, opinions might indicate this to be a ‘bonkers’ choice, but having had a lengthy listening session with a 272 + XPS DR + 250 DR vs 272 + 250 DR + CDX2, I know which my ears preferred, so I decided to go with that. I don’t plan to change it in this lifetime, and, lottery permitting, I can always add psu’s at a later date.

Many Thanks to all for their advice and wisdom, you know who you are.

Happy New Year to All,

KR, J

I think the 272 may be the bonkers element here, if you’re not going the streaming route you’d be better with a 282. Always get the best pre you can. 

Frankly this seems a silly shortsighted system to me and your dealer is doing you no favours.  

.sjb

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Well diverting the thread somewhat but the Core is not as good as the Unitiserve?

In what way?  The question is somewhat moot; the Unitiserve is part of the old platform and the fw won't be further developed whereas the Core is part of the new platform and will be supported and the fw will be further developed 

Sloop John B posted:
Dr_J posted:

Having given the options some considerable thought, I have settled on a CDX2 .

Some, perhaps many, opinions might indicate this to be a ‘bonkers’ choice, but having had a lengthy listening session with a 272 + XPS DR + 250 DR vs 272 + 250 DR + CDX2, I know which my ears preferred, so I decided to go with that. I don’t plan to change it in this lifetime, and, lottery permitting, I can always add psu’s at a later date.

Many Thanks to all for their advice and wisdom, you know who you are.

Happy New Year to All,

KR, J

I think the 272 may be the bonkers element here, if you’re not going the streaming route you’d be better with a 282. Always get the best pre you can. 

Frankly this seems a silly shortsighted system to me and your dealer is doing you no favours.  

.sjb

And if, as I said, I happen to like it........? Mostly I stream, but from time to time I like to spend a late evening spinning CD’s, which indeed I still buy.

And, indeed, my dealer discussed the possible ‘issues ‘ around adding a CDX2 to my current, streaming centric system......

Although, it’s true, I am quite short sighted ...... but not silly enough to take the above personally.

More and more threads on this forum seem to be tending towards an unhealthy, hectoring tone, and subsequently ever more ‘thanks and goodbye ‘ posts. Keep this up and there’ll be no-one left to talk to!

TTFN,

KR, J

Richard Dane posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Well diverting the thread somewhat but the Core is not as good as the Unitiserve?

In what way?  The question is somewhat moot; the Unitiserve is part of the old platform and the fw won't be further developed whereas the Core is part of the new platform and will be supported and the fw will be further developed 

Quite right Richard, I picked a US as an interim (Naim) solution, not as a competitive product against the new Core, which has much to offer in terms of next gen tech, software and functionality. And, so far, I’m really pleased with my choice.

As ever though, t’internet always asymmetrically reflects those less happy than those delighted with their choices.

Of course I may have made another silly and shortsighted decision....ROFL.

KR, J

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Guys sorry for the confusion and I may have misunderstood but further back there seemed to be a suggestion that the Core wasn’t as good as the UnitiS.   This I would have found surprising.  

unitserve with a good linear ps is a little better for some, as myself.....and free of all actual problems with metadata or cd not ejecting and so more....New is not always better....

The uniticore must first stabilize and resolve all its problems....

I have CDX2, and am trying UnitiServe SSD and Core at the moment. All playing through nDAC + XPSDR. Relevant to the thread, the CDX2 is the best followed by UnitiServe and then Core. I have yet to try a linear PS as suggested above. Playing Melody Gardot’s My One and Only Thrill one the UnitiServe and it’s sounds beautiful. 

@French Rooster what linear PS do you recommend, and what price?

I’m also a convert to the DC1, which I am demoing with these. Thinking about a ND5XS instead if it sounds as good for streaming. Worried about the old range being obsolete.

Phil

Filipe posted:

I have CDX2, and am trying UnitiServe SSD and Core at the moment. All playing through nDAC + XPSDR. Relevant to the thread, the CDX2 is the best followed by UnitiServe and then Core. I have yet to try a linear PS as suggested above. Playing Melody Gardot’s My One and Only Thrill one the UnitiServe and it’s sounds beautiful. 

@French Rooster what linear PS do you recommend, and what price?

I’m also a convert to the DC1, which I am demoing with these. Thinking about a ND5XS instead if it sounds as good for streaming. Worried about the old range being obsolete.

Phil

i found an improvement with an nds/555dr streaming from the serve when i added a linear ps to it.  I have an expensive one , that had good reviews in a lot of forums:  uptone audio js2. I has 2 outputs, so you can power also a switch. I do also that.

But you have good ones for less, like wyred , sbooster, hdplex....The israeli one is not enough for the serve, i had one before.

I tried the uptone, knowing that i could return it. But it stays.....

Nd5x/ ndac/ xps2 streaming from the serve should be better than unitserve/ ndac/ xps2/dc1, but i have not tried.  Some members in the forum here find that unitserve/ dc1 is not the best way but other are satisfied....You have topics on that.   Simon in the suffolk preferred ndx/ ndac/ unitserve vs unitserve/ ndac in dc1....by a good step.

Anyway i recommend you the nd5x second hand and try the linear ps of your choice, and return it if you don’t find enough improvement for the price. For me it improved significantly, but nds/555 dr is more revealing....

Dr_J posted:
Sloop John B posted:
Dr_J posted:

Having given the options some considerable thought, I have settled on a CDX2 .

Some, perhaps many, opinions might indicate this to be a ‘bonkers’ choice, but having had a lengthy listening session with a 272 + XPS DR + 250 DR vs 272 + 250 DR + CDX2, I know which my ears preferred, so I decided to go with that. I don’t plan to change it in this lifetime, and, lottery permitting, I can always add psu’s at a later date.

Many Thanks to all for their advice and wisdom, you know who you are.

Happy New Year to All,

KR, J

I think the 272 may be the bonkers element here, if you’re not going the streaming route you’d be better with a 282. Always get the best pre you can. 

Frankly this seems a silly shortsighted system to me and your dealer is doing you no favours.  

.sjb

And if, as I said, I happen to like it........? Mostly I stream, but from time to time I like to spend a late evening spinning CD’s, which indeed I still buy.

And, indeed, my dealer discussed the possible ‘issues ‘ around adding a CDX2 to my current, streaming centric system......

Although, it’s true, I am quite short sighted ...... but not silly enough to take the above personally.

More and more threads on this forum seem to be tending towards an unhealthy, hectoring tone, and subsequently ever more ‘thanks and goodbye ‘ posts. Keep this up and there’ll be no-one left to talk to!

TTFN,

KR, J

I'm just trying to point out where I think you may be going wrong. I could have just clapped your back and said Hail fellow well met, but decided to give you some "views/experience/opinions" which is what the OP actually asked for.

My experience is of selling a CD555 at a healthy loss as I was getting better sound streaming into a DAC. I have CD5x then CDX2 then CDS3 then CD555. I went form 202 to 282 to 552. I have "views/experience/opinions" on what gave the best improvements.

If you're going to ask for "views/experience/opinions"  and you don't hear what you want to have enough grace not to accuse someone who is trying to be helpful of hectoring.

/rant

 

.sjb

Dr_J posted:
Sloop John B posted:
Dr_J posted:

Having given the options some considerable thought, I have settled on a CDX2 .

Some, perhaps many, opinions might indicate this to be a ‘bonkers’ choice, but having had a lengthy listening session with a 272 + XPS DR + 250 DR vs 272 + 250 DR + CDX2, I know which my ears preferred, so I decided to go with that. I don’t plan to change it in this lifetime, and, lottery permitting, I can always add psu’s at a later date.

Many Thanks to all for their advice and wisdom, you know who you are.

Happy New Year to All,

KR, J

I think the 272 may be the bonkers element here, if you’re not going the streaming route you’d be better with a 282. Always get the best pre you can. 

Frankly this seems a silly shortsighted system to me and your dealer is doing you no favours.  

.sjb

And if, as I said, I happen to like it........? Mostly I stream, but from time to time I like to spend a late evening spinning CD’s, which indeed I still buy.

And, indeed, my dealer discussed the possible ‘issues ‘ around adding a CDX2 to my current, streaming centric system......

Although, it’s true, I am quite short sighted ...... but not silly enough to take the above personally.

More and more threads on this forum seem to be tending towards an unhealthy, hectoring tone, and subsequently ever more ‘thanks and goodbye ‘ posts. Keep this up and there’ll be no-one left to talk to!

TTFN,

KR, J

i understand that you prefer the cdx2 vs streaming from 272 to the unitserve. But you have not tried to compare the unitserve/ ndac in dc1 vs the cdx2, with xps2 on both.  It was your initial question: take a cdx2 or add a dac to the unitserve.  The ndac is not the dacV1, the dacV1 is inferior and similar to the dac inside the 272.

French Rooster posted:
Filipe posted:

I have CDX2, and am trying UnitiServe SSD and Core at the moment. All playing through nDAC + XPSDR. Relevant to the thread, the CDX2 is the best followed by UnitiServe and then Core. I have yet to try a linear PS as suggested above. Playing Melody Gardot’s My One and Only Thrill one the UnitiServe and it’s sounds beautiful. 

@French Rooster what linear PS do you recommend, and what price?

I’m also a convert to the DC1, which I am demoing with these. Thinking about a ND5XS instead if it sounds as good for streaming. Worried about the old range being obsolete.

Phil

i found an improvement with an nds/555dr streaming from the serve when i added a linear ps to it.  I have an expensive one , that had good reviews in a lot of forums:  uptone audio js2. I has 2 outputs, so you can power also a switch. I do also that.

But you have good ones for less, like wyred , sbooster, hdplex....The israeli one is not enough for the serve, i had one before.

I tried the uptone, knowing that i could return it. But it stays.....

Nd5x/ ndac/ xps2 streaming from the serve should be better than unitserve/ ndac/ xps2/dc1, but i have not tried.  Some members in the forum here find that unitserve/ dc1 is not the best way but other are satisfied....You have topics on that.   Simon in the suffolk preferred ndx/ ndac/ unitserve vs unitserve/ ndac in dc1....by a good step.

Anyway i recommend you the nd5x second hand and try the linear ps of your choice, and return it if you don’t find enough improvement for the price. For me it improved significantly, but nds/555 dr is more revealing....

@French Rooster Yes, the uptone Audio js2 is quite expensive so unless my dealer happened to have it I would not take the chance particularly with the replay being very very enjoyable. Likewise the others.

I have noticed that the Chord Clearway digital seems to remove the harshness from the Core that was present with the DC1. The UnitiServe SSD seems good with both ICs, and as I have said the CDX2 sounds more vibrant and warm with the DC1.

CDX2, UnitiServe and Core are all very enjoyable to listen to with the right combination or cables. Even the cheap Ethernet cable in the Core at the moment doesn’t seem an issue.

Strange thing this HiFi!

Phil

.  It was your initial question: take a cdx2 or add a dac to the unitserve.  The ndac is not the dacV1, the dacV1 is inferior and similar to the dac inside the 272.
Thanks FR, I’d  also come to that conclusion, which, in part, drove my decision to go with the CDX2; a) after listening to it, b) finances not running to both an n-DAC and a CDP, remembering that I did want to spin CD’s. 
So I thought it better to get the best Naim CDP still around.
 
Just my conclusion of course, other may and do differ. 
 
Thanks again,
 
KR, J

I Was hoping that some new cdp options would pop up in this thread 

cd2x vs non Naim new generation Player such as bryston, Hegel,methronome etc.....

is cd2x still the best option for spinnig cds ?

leaving the streaming vs cdp topic aside  

I use a Naim CDS / CDPS such a beautiful piece of kit a very involving analogue sound. The only down side is that Naim service department  are no longer able to support the product.

As with most products produced under JV tenure built to achieve the closest sound to analogue. To this day Naim equipment has continued in the same vein. I’ve been a Naim user since 1980.

Regards,

Martin

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Finkfan posted:

Glad to hear you’ll be enjoying the sound of the CDX2. I’m very reluctant to move mine on at the moment. When I initially got my 272 I felt that streaming files from my laptop was on a par with the CDX2, but after streaming and spinning discs, I just can’t get away from how much better the CDX2 is at making music.

Well the CDX2 is one heck of a player... for me it’s just the right device for certain CDs... elsewhere I use a non Naim DAC fed by my Naim NDX transport... however there is multitude of choice to suite taste and mood. BTW the CDX2 uses the same TI DAC chip device as used in the NDS and NDAC... however component  selection and implementation are different, but the CDX2 uses the renown ‘Pacific Microsonics’ DSP... really stonking  for CD.

@Simon-in-Suffolk Do you use the standard Naim DIN cable from your bare CDX2?

Phil

Dr_J posted:
.  It was your initial question: take a cdx2 or add a dac to the unitserve.  The ndac is not the dacV1, the dacV1 is inferior and similar to the dac inside the 272.
Thanks FR, I’d  also come to that conclusion, which, in part, drove my decision to go with the CDX2; a) after listening to it, b) finances not running to both an n-DAC and a CDP, remembering that I did want to spin CD’s. 
So I thought it better to get the best Naim CDP still around.
 
Just my conclusion of course, other may and do differ. 
 
Thanks again,
 
KR, J

@Dr_J I reckon you won’t regret choosing the CDX2. I’ve just switched my bare CDX2 back to analogue output via the standard DIN cable and it’s probably as good as using the DC1 into nDAC+XPSDR (which has SL IC) with some interesting differences that are refreshing. 

Phil

Arthur Lee posted:

I use a Naim CDS / CDPS such a beautiful piece of kit a very involving analogue sound. The only down side is that Naim service department  are no longer able to support the product.

As with most products produced under JV tenure built to achieve the closest sound to analogue. To this day Naim equipment has continued in the same vein. I’ve been a Naim user since 1980.

Regards,

Martin

Martin, to be fair, I think that Naim can still service and support the CDS in all bar the Philips laser mechanisms, stocks of which - even Naim refurbed - are now exhausted.

So the CDX2 has arrived, definitely a heart over mind decision, a basic, well fairly basic, red book CDP at the start of the 21st century.

But the sound, even out of the box, is just STUNNING ! I know there were smarter choices I could have made to upgrade my system, choices that would better repay me for future upgrades, but I really don’t think any of these would give greater musical pleasure. A very special component indeed.

So thanks to all for thoughts and opinions, and advice, even if I didn’t take all of it .

 

KR, J

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