CD555 post ND555

It is clearly in Naim's interest to claim that the ND555 is their best ever source seeing as they no longer manufacture the CD555 which I assume claimed the title since it was introduced up until now.  But if true and not mere marketing hyperbole, where does that leave the CD555 and its owners which include myself?

We obviously own a 555PS and probably most have DR upgraded.  But if the ND555 sounds clearly better, the second hand value of a CD555 will probably take a hit, possibly a big one.  But even allowing for that, switching to an ND555 for me would be relatively affordable and if it sounds better getting rid of all those CDs from my shelves would be appealing.

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If ever one day i' d go for ND555 or NDX, i'll keep tm CD555 as well, one of most beautiful item, along with Nap 500 ever built by Naim. 

For me the sheer pleasure to use and collect silver discs will never ends. Then if the streamer counterparts will sound better  it will be an added bonus, but i ll never get rid of a cd player. In fact i just bought a  CDX2-2 for my second system.

Regards

Roberto

Polarbear posted:

The introduction of the ND 555 takes nothing away from the CD 555, it remains a first class CD player and will be desrired by anyone who has a large CD collection they want to keep using.

Agreed, but if you owned a CD555 and then purchased an ND555 because it sounded even better, where does that leave your CD555?  When would you listen to it?  Roon potentially replaces the sleeve notes.

Bryce Curdy posted:
Polarbear posted:

The introduction of the ND 555 takes nothing away from the CD 555, it remains a first class CD player and will be desrired by anyone who has a large CD collection they want to keep using.

Agreed, but if you owned a CD555 and then purchased an ND555 because it sounded even better, where does that leave your CD555?  When would you listen to it?  Roon potentially replaces the sleeve notes.

One imagines that you either sell your CD 555 to fund the ND 555 or you simply use them side by side.  I currently have three great sources which I use on a regular basis. I don't see a problem in using the ND555 and CD555 side by side.

Having worked my way up from a fairly early CD555 now on its second laser, plus soft ware upgrades some 18 months ago, I took the decision to add a second power supply. They are both DR, one upgraded and the other bought new. To put my head unit in the loft makes me cringe.

My CD collection is somewhat random which is no big deal for me. Knowing Naim I would expect the ND555 to give the 555 some very serious competition at least.

So  which MIGHT be better out of this combination? CD555 with one or two power supplies or ND555 with  one or two power supply options.

How far do you go?

 

 

Bryce Curdy posted:
Polarbear posted:

The introduction of the ND 555 takes nothing away from the CD 555, it remains a first class CD player and will be desrired by anyone who has a large CD collection they want to keep using.

Agreed, but if you owned a CD555 and then purchased an ND555 because it sounded even better, where does that leave your CD555?  When would you listen to it?  Roon potentially replaces the sleeve notes.

For the sheer pleasure to listen and use different edition of a certain records you love. For a record collector this is inescapable.

This is a hobby after all. it's not only the ultimate SQ that matters

Regards

Roberto

rsch posted:

For the sheer pleasure to listen and use different edition of a certain records you love. For a record collector this is inescapable.

 

You can of course have and play as many versions as you wish with digital files, and if ultimate sound quality isn’t important tomyou then online streaming (as opposed to from your own collection) may give you access to many more versions.

Of course, for a record collector (as opposed to recording collector) you need records, and their sleeves that come with them are a fundamental part, ditto for a CD collector, though the sleeve notes are a poor second compared to LP, often barely readable. With the ND555 (or any other streaming solution)  you can, at least potentially, access sleeve images/notes on whatever screen you use, though the convenience and readability varies considerably. The problem is, (or rather was, as it is a while since I used it, though I don’t recall others saying it has changed), the Naim app it did not give access to sleeve notes held on my NAS (scans of LP or CD sleeves), other than showing the front cover image, instead using a third party online resource called Rovi, which did not provide the original sleeve notes, instead providing other info about the album and artist - and did not have all my albums in its database so was not much use. Some on this forum advocate Roon for its info, but when I tried it I found it also didn’t come up with original sleeve notes, at least not readily, and didn’t recognise everything, so not a substitute for the real thing.

Why on earth can’t streamer manufacturers like Naim provide a means of displaying saved images of sleeve notes etc from within the control app? Naim please note! (And apologies if this is an outdated complaint, with it now implemented effectively.)

Innocent Bystander posted:
rsch posted:

For the sheer pleasure to listen and use different edition of a certain records you love. For a record collector this is inescapable.

 

Why on earth can’t streamer manufacturers like Naim provide a means of displaying saved images of sleeve notes etc from within the control app? Naim please note! (And apologies if this is an outdated complaint, with it now implemented effectively.)

You can just scan your CD notes etc, keep them on a NAS, and then view them using an app such as FileExplorer.  A little cumbersome, but it works.

Dungassin posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:

Why on earth can’t streamer manufacturers like Naim provide a means of displaying saved images of sleeve notes etc from within the control app? Naim please note! (And apologies if this is an outdated complaint, with it now implemented effectively.)

You can just scan your CD notes etc, keep them on a NAS, and then view them using an app such as FileExplorer.  A little cumbersome, but it works.

I know, and I do, but my gripe and challenge remain - album artwork should be immediately available and visible through any device used to sort and choose music, while choosing and while playing.(albeit a bit limiting if smaller than a tablet).

People who own a CD555 own one of the best CD players in the world. Possibly the best. That won't change. You can only do so much with 16/44 material, and some engineers and producers have got miracles out of that format. I own some of them. 

There is no doubt in my ears, that given the inevitable variables (which are not unique to medium res or high res), the musical enjoyment to be had from material at greater than 16/44 is significant. This automatically promotes the ND555 in my little universe, but I prefer the presentation of the NDS to a CD555 in any case.

If CD playback is your drug of choice, I doubt it will ever get any better. Personally, I wouldn't buy HiFi with second hand future values in mind. It's nice to have something to trade in but it's the sound that counts. There are some luxury goods that might give a good return on the asking price. But that's a very risky place to invest money.

MDS posted:
Harry posted:

If CD playback is your drug of choice, I doubt it will ever get any better. 

You might be right, Harry, but I'll be interested to hear the ND555 used as a Dac driven by my favoured CD transport. 

what is the favoured CD transport? 

MDS posted:
Harry posted:

If CD playback is your drug of choice, I doubt it will ever get any better. 

You might be right, Harry, but I'll be interested to hear the ND555 used as a Dac driven by my favoured CD transport. 

I didn't consider that. Good point. If rather expensive to implement.

Chag... posted:

I am wondering when Naim will issue a PSU switch device so I can alternatively connect my 555DR and go from CD to ND555 on the fly. 😝

Chag -

About the same time as they will release a switch device for 180deg DIN inputs  so I can connect more than 6 analogue devices to my preamp.

At the moment I'm using a NAC N272 for this duty, and for similar digital inputs too.  OK, a bit limited but I have now been able to connect all my analogue & digital devices both 'modern' and 'ancient' in one way or the other to my 552  

Emre posted:
MDS posted:

CDX2.2/XP5XS

Quite a piece for a transport, i own a cd2x without digital out

I've always been conscious that since the day I've had it I've only used a minority of the CDX2.2's functionality i.e. not using the internal PSU or its DAC, but I console myself with the thought that the performance (into a nDAC/555PSDR) is superb and that's really the only thing that matters in this game.

PS I should add that one day I tried the CDX2.2/555PS. That was nice but it wasn't anywhere near as good as the CDX2.2/XP5XS/nDAC/555PS combination. 

I had my CDX2 neutered into a transport to feed the DAC. Once I heard a 2.2 at the dealer feeding a DAC/XPS2 the move was irresistible. I believe a contributor (or possibly former contributor) here bought it off my dealer when I finally let it go. In the pre Naim DAC and streamer years our CDX2, later with XPS2 gave more hours/days/years of enjoyment than I can count. It didn't owe us anything when it went to its next home.

Harry posted:

People who own a CD555 own one of the best CD players in the world. Possibly the best. That won't change. You can only do so much with 16/44 material, and some engineers and producers have got miracles out of that format. I own some of them. 

There is no doubt in my ears, that given the inevitable variables (which are not unique to medium res or high res), the musical enjoyment to be had from material at greater than 16/44 is significant. This automatically promotes the ND555 in my little universe, but I prefer the presentation of the NDS to a CD555 in any case.

If CD playback is your drug of choice, I doubt it will ever get any better. Personally, I wouldn't buy HiFi with second hand future values in mind. It's nice to have something to trade in but it's the sound that counts. There are some luxury goods that might give a good return on the asking price. But that's a very risky place to invest money.

Harry, I decided to replace my CD555 with an NDS 3 years ago (I think) and I have never regretted it. My view at the time was that 24 bit material had definitely more potential than 16 bit, and that, for me, has been borne out. I was also of the opinion that NDS was different to CD555 on 16 bit material, but not inferior, and that was what I heard when I changed.

Sitting here tonight listening to NDS with the new software version 4.6, I am convinced that CD555 has also been eclipsed on 16 bit, and I am really excited about what Naim may now have achieved with the ND555.

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