CDX2 vs streaming.

wenger2015 posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
French Rooster posted:

all this is a matter of personal preference, rather than better sound quality in absolute terms. Some prefer all naim system, other prefer chord dacs with naim amps, and other prefer even non naim preamp with naim amp( like me).  

Now I also love my Naim CDX2, I have said many times it's not particularly neutral, but it does accentuate PRAT... on some music this is wonderful, for other music it just doesn't work right.. so I keep it as a source option for those CDs that benefit a bit from the CDX2 sound... like guitar rock and Bob Dylan tracks 

Agree with the above, 

I am keen to experience the pleasure of streaming, maybe an NDX at some point, but I really don't want to give up my cdx2.

The solution is to have both.

Does anyone use an NDX bare? Or Cdx2 bare? Or do they both require an XPSdr to really make them sing?

Wenger, I used a bare NDX into an Olive system it was very good I decided to upgrade my Olive system last year and the advice from Naim was to add a XPS to the NDX first.

During my discussions and eventual demo's with my local dealer last year we started with a bare NDX and then added a XPS dr I was very surprised at the all round improvement  that was the first item in the basket not heard a Cdx2 so can't comment when I made the change I did ditch my CDI and have never missed it the system is now fed with a Core and it loves the change of diet.

I have to admit I am tempted to try a Core. Maybe next year. Adding a nas with it's questionable power supply and only being able to connect via UPnP doesn't sit well with me. What is the best way to listen to a core? Although I do stream from my laptop, using asset, and it does sound very good it's not as good as my CDX2. Initially, back at the start of this thread, I felt UPnP and cd were very close, however there seems to be some Naim magic in that CD player! 

wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

Good question - if you connect NDX and CDX2 to the nDAC - yes, the can sound more or less the same.
As stand-alone-boxes - they will sound a bit different.

Adam Zielinski posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

Good question - if you connect NDX and CDX2 to the nDAC - yes, the can sound more or less the same.
As stand-alone-boxes - they will sound a bit different.

Thanks for the advice Adam.

Ps apologies if I caused a problem with your thread by requesting a copy of your track..

wenger2015 posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

Good question - if you connect NDX and CDX2 to the nDAC - yes, the can sound more or less the same.
As stand-alone-boxes - they will sound a bit different.

Thanks for the advice Adam.

Ps apologies if I caused a problem with your thread by requesting a copy of your track..

No worries

wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

No... not at all... the CDX2 has a distinctive sound that is not matched by anything else  I have heard from Naim or elsewhere. The CDX2 'voicing' is quite unique and is it's endearing quality. Yes not particularly neutral, and doesn't gel that well with all content (IMO), but for the music that does suit it it is second to none in the pace and emotional stakes. My view is that if you are going to feed the CDX2 into a NDAC, there is probably little point in doing so... the real value of the CDX2 is it DSP/DAC/analogue output stage combination... and you will bypass all this if feeding the NDAC, and you might as well stream the CD.

i keep my CDX2 as a dedicated source as distinct from my streamer/DAC and tuner because of its distinctive performance.

The NDS/555PS is very different from the CDX2 with the former being more detailed, transparent and neutral across media, but doesn't have that infectious CDX2 performance you get some from discs. 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

No... not at all... the CDX2 has a distinctive sound that is not matched by anything else  I have heard from Naim or elsewhere. The CDX2 'voicing' is quite unique and is it's endearing quality. Yes not particularly neutral, and doesn't gel that well with all content (IMO), but for the music that does suit it it is second to none in the pace and emotional stakes. My view is that if you are going to feed the CDX2 into a NDAC, there is probably little point in doing so... the real value of the CDX2 is it DSP/DAC/analogue output stage combination... and you will bypass all this if feeding the NDAC, and you might as well stream the CD.

i keep my CDX2 as a dedicated source as distinct from my streamer/DAC and tuner because of its distinctive performance.

The NDS/555PS is very different from the CDX2 with the former being more detailed, transparent and neutral across media, but doesn't have that infectious CDX2 performance you get some from discs. 

Appreciate the feedback,  I am considering the best way to have both options available, I don't want to part from my cdx2, but would like the benefits of streaming.

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

wenger2015 posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Is it possible to match the cdx2 sound with that of a Naim streamer? Is it only possible with spending a substantial sum on an NDS and 555ps? 

No... not at all... the CDX2 has a distinctive sound that is not matched by anything else  I have heard from Naim or elsewhere. .......

My view is that if you are going to feed the CDX2 into a NDAC, there is probably little point in doing so... the real value of the CDX2 is it DSP/DAC/analogue output stage combination... and you will bypass all this if feeding the NDAC, and you might as well stream the CD.............

The NDS/555PS is very different from the CDX2 with the former being more detailed, transparent and neutral across media, but doesn't have that infectious CDX2 performance you get some from discs. 

Appreciate the feedback,  I am considering the best way to have both options available, I don't want to part from my cdx2, but would like the benefits of streaming.

Always nice sitting on the side-lines, and a good question surfaces from the Forum!

I can't part from my Cdx2 Mk I, Sold my LP 12.

I also would like the benefits of Streaming.

Bare Cdx2, would like to upgrade, and improve on that Naim Sound, but getting mixed messages!

Mr. Richard Dane and others say, remove the plug from the Cdx2, add an external PS.

Whilst, others are just fine with the Bare Boogie Machine.

Hence, I have no other options, but to allocate my upgrade funds elsewhere in my system.

Meanwhile, Local Streaming ain't bad, as tonym says rheumatoid arthritis makes it hard getting out of the chair.

An ongoing Thread, Its Hard Getting Out Of My Chair!

Cdx2>282>HCDR>(3 x 250.2)>Fraimlite>Briks

                             {PLUS}

                      Local Streaming:

4 days of continuous music from itunes Library, endless number of custom playlist, internet radio, all controlled from my Android Cell phone, whilst lying in Bed!

I hear a tune on radio, I like, $1.29 or $.99 and I add it to my Library.

There is a catch, the Cell phone cost me $37.77 per month!

Android Cell phone>MM>Airport Extreme>

Airport Express 1> Naim/282

Airport Express 2>Primare Pre-30

Airport Express 3>Emotiva UMC 1

Enjoy your Music! Wenger2015!

Allante93!

PS. Next Upgrade Active Briks!

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

i agree for that : cdx2 with xps2 is a superb machine, with superb prat and urgency. Without the xps2, the soundstage is recessed, the sound less refined, and a bit hard too.  Sometimes i regret to have sold this combo.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

The cdx2 with xpsdr is superb, so as said that needs to stay.

It's the benefits of finding new music with ease that really appeals. Hear something before deciding to get the cd....

But would like a decent quality streamer? 

 

 

wenger2015 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

The cdx2 with xpsdr is superb, so as said that needs to stay.

It's the benefits of finding new music with ease that really appeals. Hear something before deciding to get the cd....

But would like a decent quality streamer? 

 

 

if you want the nearly same quality as cdx2/xps2, with naim sound, there is only ndx/ xps combo, perhaps you can find second hand.   Perhaps you can also connect a streaming bridge like auralnic, with bnc/usb cable to the cdx2 dac?    the cdx2.2 have a digital output, so i think it is possible to connect a streaming bridge....

@wenger2015 I'd give a Qb a go. I'll be getting one myself for our dinning room. As you know I've found the whole streaming experience highly addictive. I'm not sure if the 90 days of Tidal hifi offer is still available, someone will tell us I'm sure, but with your first month free anyway you could get up to 3 months of Tidal for nothing. I still have another month of free Tidal left. I'm sure you'd spend a lot of time sat with your iPad in your lap browsing away till all hours of the night. 

French Rooster posted:
wenger2015 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

The cdx2 with xpsdr is superb, so as said that needs to stay.

It's the benefits of finding new music with ease that really appeals. Hear something before deciding to get the cd....

But would like a decent quality streamer? 

 

 

if you want the nearly same quality as cdx2/xps2, with naim sound, there is only ndx/ xps combo, perhaps you can find second hand.   Perhaps you can also connect a streaming bridge like auralnic, with bnc/usb cable to the cdx2 dac?    the cdx2.2 have a digital output, so i think it is possible to connect a streaming bridge....

I think that's my longer term plan....i want to get to grips with the whole streaming format first

Finkfan posted:

@wenger2015 I'd give a Qb a go. I'll be getting one myself for our dinning room. As you know I've found the whole streaming experience highly addictive. I'm not sure if the 90 days of Tidal hifi offer is still available, someone will tell us I'm sure, but with your first month free anyway you could get up to 3 months of Tidal for nothing. I still have another month of free Tidal left. I'm sure you'd spend a lot of time sat with your iPad in your lap browsing away till all hours of the night. 

I'm inclined to think that's a good forward move, gets me used to the whole process... 

I took the option of the 90 day Tidal trial about three weeks ago this with a Qb I purchased  about a year ago. I'm quite surprised how often I use it and also how many CDs I have purchased since listening to them on Tidal. 

A good way to get acquainted with new music and probably quite cost effective as you can hear prior to purchase fairly good sound quality but no match for the Core.

wenger2015 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

The cdx2 with xpsdr is superb, so as said that needs to stay.

It's the benefits of finding new music with ease that really appeals. Hear something before deciding to get the cd....

But would like a decent quality streamer? 

 

 

Auralic Aries Mini would be perfect for your needs. It has a fine DAC built in or you can use an external DAC if you have one you prefer. Plus it's cheaper than a QB or Muso. Great streaming solution to get your feet wet with little money spent. 

Pcd posted:

I took the option of the 90 day Tidal trial about three weeks ago this with a Qb I purchased  about a year ago. I'm quite surprised how often I use it and also how many CDs I have purchased since listening to them on Tidal. 

A good way to get acquainted with new music and probably quite cost effective as you can hear prior to purchase fairly good sound quality but no match for the Core.

The bonus of hear before you buy, suits me perfectly. Question, Does the Qb have digital radio? 

spurrier sucks posted:
wenger2015 posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Wenger - if streaming is to be your 2nd choice source - why not just buy a cheap Bluetooth DAC.   If you take to it - you won't it's really meant for the proletariat - then you can invest in something better but in the meantime indulge in the CDX2.  And on this I disagree with Simon combined with a XPS2 the CDX2 does all music with aplomb

Regards,

Lindsay

The cdx2 with xpsdr is superb, so as said that needs to stay.

It's the benefits of finding new music with ease that really appeals. Hear something before deciding to get the cd....

But would like a decent quality streamer? 

 

 

Auralic Aries Mini would be perfect for your needs. It has a fine DAC built in or you can use an external DAC if you have one you prefer. Plus it's cheaper than a QB or Muso. Great streaming solution to get your feet wet with little money spent. 

I like the idea of a small box in the front room for background listening,  which is why the Qb or muso appeals.. But thanks for the suggestion 

wenger2015 posted:
Pcd posted:

I took the option of the 90 day Tidal trial about three weeks ago this with a Qb I purchased  about a year ago. I'm quite surprised how often I use it and also how many CDs I have purchased since listening to them on Tidal. 

A good way to get acquainted with new music and probably quite cost effective as you can hear prior to purchase fairly good sound quality but no match for the Core.

The bonus of hear before you buy, suits me perfectly. Question, Does the Qb have digital radio? 

Wenger, the Qb does have internet radio the pre set limit is five but I generally run from the NDX as rooms if I want any stations that are not stored on the Qb the control from the app is superb. I run my main system, Unitilite and Qb from an ipad only really pick up the remote to switch the button illumination on and off on the 252.

 

 

I have decided to 'dip my toe' into the world of streaming.

Going to have a chat with my dealer in order to purchase a Qb or Muso for the kitchen/meeting area.

Those that have a Qb seem to be very pleased with it.

Does anyone have a muso and can provide some feedback?  

 

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