Chord DACs

Thanks Mulberry that's what I came up with

I am loving the sound of the Dac, it does boogie so well like most Naim items that I have got used to in my little experience of Naim so far, however the richness was a surprise and the detail is amazing..  it does sound very 'real' indeed

I would also describe the Dac is "solid sounding" .... but I have no idea if that makes any sense to anyone...

Whatever it's very "foot tapping"...  I love it so far...

Innocent Bystander posted:
Nina posted:

That's what I thought MDS thanks I will re-format both USBs

My initial thoughts on the sound of the Dac is "boogie"   

Wish I understood what boogie meant in terms of sound...  I tried to explore once before but didn't end up much wiser!

Hi IB it's a tricky one to explain for me as I'm not very good at it  

I think what I mean is that the 'boogie factor' is that whatever I throw at the Dac it always makes me hum along to it and it gets my foot tapping instantly... does that make any sense ?

Nina posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
Nina posted:

That's what I thought MDS thanks I will re-format both USBs

My initial thoughts on the sound of the Dac is "boogie"   

Wish I understood what boogie meant in terms of sound...  I tried to explore once before but didn't end up much wiser!

Hi IB it's a tricky one to explain for me as I'm not very good at it  

I think what I mean is that the 'boogie factor' is that whatever I throw at the Dac it always makes me hum along to it and it gets my foot tapping instantly... does that make any sense ?

Hmmm, takes me back to What is the fixation about foot tapping? thread earlier this year! I think the problem is that I just don't understand why people seem to want to tap their feet regardless of the music - I find that sometimes I tap my foot to some music, never to other music, it being a function of the music and my mood, and makes no difference what system, or whether live or recorded.

I have no "fixation' about the foot tapping bit IB but certainly the Naim stuff I have does make my foot tap... can't help myself... and I like it to be honest but everyone is different I guess and to me it's a revelation compared to my previous valve amps/system before I got anything Naim...

I guess the important thing about this hifi malarkey is that we enjoy the sound that is produced by whatever equipment we have and I have to say my enjoyment has been elevated by my new experience with everything Naim that I have recently acquired and I suppose that's all that matters

Nina posted:

IB I love what the Naim Dac is giving me sound wise but I will swap back to the Hugo at some point and then decide which one stays in the system... they are both very good indeed yet completely different...

Cannot believe you have missed my question about the FCXS on the previous page and Simon's subsequent informed point.

Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

IB I love what the Naim Dac is giving me sound wise but I will swap back to the Hugo at some point and then decide which one stays in the system... they are both very good indeed yet completely different...

Cannot believe you have missed my question about the FCXS on the previous page and Simon's subsequent informed point.

I definitely missed it, Chris. A Flatcap can't be used on an nDAC, can it? Minimum external PSU is XP5XS, I think.  But I might be missing your point altogether.

Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

IB I love what the Naim Dac is giving me sound wise but I will swap back to the Hugo at some point and then decide which one stays in the system... they are both very good indeed yet completely different...

Cannot believe you have missed my question about the FCXS on the previous page and Simon's subsequent informed point.

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

MDS posted:
Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

IB I love what the Naim Dac is giving me sound wise but I will swap back to the Hugo at some point and then decide which one stays in the system... they are both very good indeed yet completely different...

Cannot believe you have missed my question about the FCXS on the previous page and Simon's subsequent informed point.

I definitely missed it, Chris. A Flatcap can't be used on an nDAC, can it? Minimum external PSU is XP5XS, I think.  But I might be missing your point altogether.

Quite right Mike, it can't.

Perhaps to make things as simple of possible I'll just repeat the question: "At some point, are you going to remove whichever dac completely and feed [both] your CD5XS and Nait XS2 with a FCXS power supply?"

Are we talking about a Flat Cap to be used with the CD5XS and Nait XS2/SN2?

If so the answer is NO as I have no urge to try any of my Naims with a power supply... just my thoughts.. as I think the Naim Dac can stand up by itself used with the bare XS2 or SN2

The Naim Dac is currently being paired with the SN2 and CD5XS and it seems fine to me

MDS posted:
Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

IB I love what the Naim Dac is giving me sound wise but I will swap back to the Hugo at some point and then decide which one stays in the system... they are both very good indeed yet completely different...

Cannot believe you have missed my question about the FCXS on the previous page and Simon's subsequent informed point.

I definitely missed it, Chris. A Flatcap can't be used on an nDAC, can it? Minimum external PSU is XP5XS, I think.  But I might be missing your point altogether.

I think the idea was compare CD5XS and its internal DAC but it and the Nait elevated with fCXS, with basic CD5XS into eithevnDAC or Hugo (but happy to be corrected if wrong)

French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Indeed , exited is perhaps the wrong word.. however I do like the sound of the Naim Dac 

Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

in french language “ excited’ ( excitée in french) has 2 meanings:  very enthusiastic and sexually excited. I was of course meaning enthusiastic, very enthusiastic, with no other ideas on her mind that the pleasure to discover her new dac.   So you can’t say “ excited” in english?

( not exited, i forgot the c)

French Rooster posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

in french language “ excited’ ( excitée in french) has 2 meanings:  very enthusiastic and sexually excited. I was of course meaning enthusiastic, very enthusiastic, with no other ideas on her mind that the pleasure to discover her new dac.   So you can’t say “ excited” in english?

( not exited, i forgot the c)

Yes you can say excited, same meanings as French - provided it has the 'c'.

French Rooster posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

in french language “ excited’ ( excitée in french) has 2 meanings:  very enthusiastic and sexually excited. I was of course meaning enthusiastic, very enthusiastic, with no other ideas on her mind that the pleasure to discover her new dac.   So you can’t say “ excited” in english?

( not exited, i forgot the c)

Hi French Rooster.....  absolutely I am "enthusiastic" about the Naim Dac

Nina posted:
French Rooster posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

in french language “ excited’ ( excitée in french) has 2 meanings:  very enthusiastic and sexually excited. I was of course meaning enthusiastic, very enthusiastic, with no other ideas on her mind that the pleasure to discover her new dac.   So you can’t say “ excited” in english?

( not exited, i forgot the c)

Hi French Rooster.....  absolutely I am "enthusiastic" about the Naim Dac

i am very pleased you enjoy it. It is a true and classic naim sound, with a character of its own. I am certain that chord hugo is very good for its price,  but it is not the only good dac there. Too many people were talking about the hugo. I am glad that naim dac returns on the scene!

French Rooster posted:

i am very pleased you enjoy it. It is a true and classic naim sound, with a character of its own. I am certain that chord hugo is very good for its price,  but it is not the only good dac there. Too many people were talking about the hugo. I am glad that naim dac returns on the scene!

Hi French Rooster... do you also own the Naim Dac ?

Richard Dane posted:

No, the DACs are different. The CD5xs uses the BB PCM1704K DAC chips with the PDM200 filter, whereas the ND5xs uses the BB PCM1791A DAC chipset with Naim's own DSP filter.

Richard maybe you could expand on that..

If the CD5XS uses the Burr Brown PCM1704K chips and PDM200 filter, what does the Naim Dac use instead ?

Thanks

 

Nina posted:
French Rooster posted:

i am very pleased you enjoy it. It is a true and classic naim sound, with a character of its own. I am certain that chord hugo is very good for its price,  but it is not the only good dac there. Too many people were talking about the hugo. I am glad that naim dac returns on the scene!

Hi French Rooster... do you also own the Naim Dac ?

i have owned cd5x, cdx2, cdx2/xps2 and now nds/555 dr.  I have heard the ndac and could have bought it. But i found a very good occasion on the nds , one year old and quite new, a very good price.    The prat, urgency, life, sound with body....are on all naim players. Perhaps even a little more on the cdx2 and ndac....

French Rooster posted:
Nina posted:
French Rooster posted:

i am very pleased you enjoy it. It is a true and classic naim sound, with a character of its own. I am certain that chord hugo is very good for its price,  but it is not the only good dac there. Too many people were talking about the hugo. I am glad that naim dac returns on the scene!

Hi French Rooster... do you also own the Naim Dac ?

i have owned cd5x, cdx2, cdx2/xps2 and now nds/555 dr.  I have heard the ndac and could have bought it. But i found a very good occasion on the nds , one year old and quite new, a very good price.    The prat, urgency, life, sound with body....are on all naim players. Perhaps even a little more on the cdx2 and ndac....

I am glad that you "could have bought" the Naim Dac.  I am finding it very good indeed

I agree with you about the "prat, urgency, life, sound with body" with Naim players and definitely with the Dac

I just did the firmware upgrade successfully but don't know if I can hear any difference so maybe the firmware was already up-to-date 

Nina posted:
Richard Dane posted:

No, the DACs are different. The CD5xs uses the BB PCM1704K DAC chips with the PDM200 filter, whereas the ND5xs uses the BB PCM1791A DAC chipset with Naim's own DSP filter.

Richard maybe you could expand on that..

If the CD5XS uses the Burr Brown PCM1704K chips and PDM200 filter, what does the Naim Dac use instead ?

Thanks

 

Nina, the Naim DAC uses selected BB PCM1704K DAC chips with Naim's own DSP filter. It also has a very good discrete analogue output stage. Look at pictures of the innards - really lovely! It may come in 5 series casework but the innards are reference quality.

French Rooster posted:
Nina posted:
French Rooster posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

nina is exited by her new naim dac......i understand very well.  She certainly has forgotten your question....

I' be worried if Nina were to be exited by her DAC...

 

Sorry,  couldn't resist - I know English isn't your first language, and truly respect that your English is infinitely better than my French. I know you did of course mean she is excited (exit is to leave).

in french language “ excited’ ( excitée in french) has 2 meanings:  very enthusiastic and sexually excited. I was of course meaning enthusiastic, very enthusiastic, with no other ideas on her mind that the pleasure to discover her new dac.   So you can’t say “ excited” in english?

( not exited, i forgot the c)

Hi French Rooster.....  absolutely I am "enthusiastic" about the Naim Dac

i am very pleased you enjoy it. It is a true and classic naim sound, with a character of its own. I am certain that chord hugo is very good for its price,  but it is not the only good dac there. Too many people were talking about the hugo. I am glad that naim dac returns on the scene!

Indeed, there are quite a few very good DACs out there, but Chord and Naim are not the only options.

I use the Hugo in one of my systems and it is very good indeed, but good though it is, it isn't as good (to my ears) as the integrated DAC in the streamer I use in my main system.

I can understand why owners of predominately Naim hi-fi equipment are likely to gravitate towards the nDac or NDX/NDS. However, for others, Chord is not the only viable competitor out there if you care to look and listen.

Innocent Bystander posted:
Eloise posted:
joe9407 posted:
M37 posted:

Anyone that can recommend a good transport?

there are lots of interesting choices out there, some quite inexpensive relative to Naim gear. i have a Sonore microRendu that seems to get the job done. i use it with a Hugo 2 and well-made, but otherwise bog-standard, cables.

the computer audio crowd also seems to break out the "plastic pants" for the SOtM sMS-200 (no, the shift key on my laptop is not broken), 

I'm curious is any of the Chord DAC users do any kind of upsampling on PCs?

Given that the Chord Blu 2 upsamples to (iirc) 705.6ks/s (samples per second); has anyone tried similar upsampling using (for example) HQ Player and then feeding the DAC via USB (which supports such high sample rates) perhaps utilising the Sonore of SOtM or an alternative SBC as an intermediate NAA interface.

Just thinking out loud really... a geeky alternative to the Chord Blu 2.

I use Audirvana as my renderer, and it does offer the option to upsample, to do which the Mac Mini it runs on has ample processing power. I haven't tried it yet, but funnily enough it is next on my list of comparisons to make (some other, unrelated comparisons posted on a different thread re triamping), with an intent to do that some time soon.

Interestingly I just came across this quote from Chord's DAC designer:

Oh dear. Do NOT use your computer to up-sample or change the data when you use one of my DAC's.

All competent DAC's up-sample and filter internally; the issue is how well that filtering is done, in terms of how well the timing of transients is reconstructed from the original analogue. Computers are poor devices to use for manipulating data in real time as they are concurrent serial devices - everything has to go through one to 8 processors in sequence. With hardware and FPGA's you do not need to do that, you can do thousands of operations in parallel. Dave has 166 DSP cores with each core being able to do one FIR tap in one clock cycle. That is incredibly powerful processing power way more powerful than a PC.

But its not just about raw processing power but the algorithm for the filter. The WTA filter is the only algorithm that has been designed to reduce timing of transients errors, and the only one that has been optimised by thousands of listening tests.


I now have a better idea on the Naim Dac soundwise

The Hugo sounds different depending on which cd I play, what I mean is on some cd's it sounds very good but on others not so good, I can't quite explain it but I don't find the Hugo universally 'good' with all cd's.  The sound is very variable

The Naim Dac seems more even-handed and by that I mean it sounds good with more cd's and not so variable

Does that make any sense at all to anyone ? 

MDS posted:

Yes, Nina. I'm using a DC1. The Naim preferred configuration is BNC to BNC, though.  The BNC input on the nDAC is meant to be superior to the RCA.

Oh ok thanks MDS but I was under the impression that the RCA input on the Dac was supposed to be superior to BNC but I don't know where I heard that

Is it an ok cable though?

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