Chord DACs

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

It’s good isn’t it... the trouble is listening to and truly enjoying other DACs, even other Chord DACs, has now become a whole lot more difficult for you now  

To be honest Simon I don't really believe it myself

Yes it is very good indeed, I am very surprised 

Nina posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:

Welcome to Hugo-world!

Thanks IB.. so is that 'normal'  ?

I still can't get my head around it as it's such a tiny thing

I don't like all the coloured lights of the Hugo but the sound is so good

Well, my recollection when I put it in place of the ND5XS's internal DAC was that everythig just seemed to sound so much more natural - that may correlate to your 'real'.

After a couple of lovely years with Hugo I heard Dave, and, I am almost ashamed to say, I jilted Hugo - Dave was a real, and literal 'wow' - but had I not inherited the funds I would very happily have stayed with Hugo, its only limitation having been lack of a remote control (I took to using without a preamp, but then I had never had remote volume so dodn't really miss it).

fatcat posted:

I have a Mojo, I get the impression it makes some instruments/pieces of music sound better than real. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t.

IMO, it all depends on the type of music.

 

Yes, the mastering of the music or recording which is essential to sound quality. Of course, the Chord DAC sounds very good and will transform good recordings to phenomenal. There is a certain palpability that comes together with the Chord DAC you can easily hear or feel. After more than a year with the QBD 76 I am still amazed by the sound quality of this thing. Well, the Naim amps and the other bits have played a (huge) role here as well, of course, 

Innocent Bystander posted:

Well, my recollection when I put it in place of the ND5XS's internal DAC was that everythig just seemed to sound so much more natural - that may correlate to your 'real'.

After a couple of lovely years with Hugo I heard Dave, and, I am almost ashamed to say, I jilted Hugo - Dave was a real, and literal 'wow' - but had I not inherited the funds I would very happily have stayed with Hugo, its only limitation having been lack of a remote control (I took to using without a preamp, but then I had never had remote volume so dodn't really miss it).

Yes IB "natural" is how I would describe the Hugo sound, amazingly so 

Your poor Hugo being "jilted" for Dave!  but as you say Dave is in another league price wise  

Stefan Vogt posted:

I'm also a fan of Chord DACs. Isn't it a pity that the new uniti range does not provide digital outputs? (in contrast to e.g. the uniti qute). Or, what had been really nice, a loop for an external DAC (digital out -> analog in)!

The Core does, but of course only as a source

Innocent Bystander posted:
Stefan Vogt posted:

I'm also a fan of Chord DACs. Isn't it a pity that the new uniti range does not provide digital outputs? (in contrast to e.g. the uniti qute). Or, what had been really nice, a loop for an external DAC (digital out -> analog in)!

The Core does, but of course only as a source

Like 272..... It would be nice to use my streamer/dac just as a streamer and maybe just improve the dac section.

Richard Dane posted:

I generally use a Naim Hi-line (RCA) on my Chord Hugo when it's being used on one of the Naim systems - I tried it after Simon let us know that he used a Hi-line on his own Hugo.  It seems to work well.

thank you Richard, I'll try to demo it.

Nina posted:

Just playing Philharmonics by Agnes Obel and I've just had a "good grief!" moment

The sound was so real it was amazing.  I actually can't remember ever having this reaction to any piece of kit before, surely it can't be the Hugo  

Ah i remember my hugo "good grief" moment well. I was thinking this just the other day that no piece of equipment before or since provided such a wow moment.

its a shame those early Hugo threads have been deleted, would make interesting reading now.

Enjoy

Foxman50 posted:
Nina posted:

Just playing Philharmonics by Agnes Obel and I've just had a "good grief!" moment

The sound was so real it was amazing.  I actually can't remember ever having this reaction to any piece of kit before, surely it can't be the Hugo  

Ah i remember my hugo "good grief" moment well. I was thinking this just the other day that no piece of equipment before or since provided such a wow moment.

its a shame those early Hugo threads have been deleted, would make interesting reading now.

Enjoy

Yes, interesting reading it was.
However, Hugo 2 does not seem to get the same attention at all?
Why is that? (2Qute owner myself.)

M37 posted:
Foxman50 posted:
Nina posted:

Just playing Philharmonics by Agnes Obel and I've just had a "good grief!" moment

The sound was so real it was amazing.  I actually can't remember ever having this reaction to any piece of kit before, surely it can't be the Hugo  

Ah i remember my hugo "good grief" moment well. I was thinking this just the other day that no piece of equipment before or since provided such a wow moment.

its a shame those early Hugo threads have been deleted, would make interesting reading now.

Enjoy

Yes, interesting reading it was.
However, Hugo 2 does not seem to get the same attention at all?
Why is that? (2Qute owner myself.)

I auditioned Hugo2, if only briefly. IMO it has taken a different approach and certainly didn't appeal to me. Everyone is different so im sure others may love it, but to me it sounded forced and unnatural.

sad isn't it Foxman...

However I am really looking forward to recordings mastered on his upcoming  ADC - Analog to Digital convertor DAVINA - finally should bring us much closer to experiencing digital music really sounds like "studio masters".

It should put Chord firmly on the map for the next 20 years or so, as competitors try to figure out how Rob Watts did it. 

Foxman50 posted:
Nina posted:

Just playing Philharmonics by Agnes Obel and I've just had a "good grief!" moment

The sound was so real it was amazing.  I actually can't remember ever having this reaction to any piece of kit before, surely it can't be the Hugo  

Ah i remember my hugo "good grief" moment well. I was thinking this just the other day that no piece of equipment before or since provided such a wow moment.

its a shame those early Hugo threads have been deleted, would make interesting reading now.

Enjoy

Hi Foxman, those early threads were restored sometime back, I think Richard had to do some regrettable editing from those who appeared incensed that there was a newcomer in town that many felt sounded really good and enjoyable with Naim that didn’t cost the price of a new small car...

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Hi Foxman, those early threads were restored sometime back, I think Richard had to do some regrettable editing from those who appeared incensed that there was a newcomer in town that many felt sounded really good and enjoyable with Naim that didn’t cost the price of a new small car...

Hi Simon, yes so I see just had a look. And yes certain forums members who will remain nameless, analogmusic, whoops. Its ok I've forgiven you

 Thank you Richard for doing so.

analogmusic posted:

sad isn't it Foxman...

However I am really looking forward to recordings mastered on his upcoming  ADC - Analog to Digital convertor DAVINA - finally should bring us much closer to experiencing digital music really sounds like "studio masters".

It should put Chord firmly on the map for the next 20 years or so, as competitors try to figure out how Rob Watts did it. 

Yes it will be interesting to hear. Mastered on DAVINA, replayed on DAVE.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Foxman50 posted:
Nina posted:

Just playing Philharmonics by Agnes Obel and I've just had a "good grief!" moment

The sound was so real it was amazing.  I actually can't remember ever having this reaction to any piece of kit before, surely it can't be the Hugo  

Ah i remember my hugo "good grief" moment well. I was thinking this just the other day that no piece of equipment before or since provided such a wow moment.

its a shame those early Hugo threads have been deleted, would make interesting reading now.

Enjoy

Hi Foxman, those early threads were restored sometime back, I think Richard had to do some regrettable editing from those who appeared incensed that there was a newcomer in town that many felt sounded really good and enjoyable with Naim that didn’t cost the price of a new small car...

LOL Simon, but now with the benefit of hindsight, Chord and Rob Watts have some rather unique and useful ideas on D/A conversion. I remember the first day I got the Hugo, it was a real wow moment for me.

Halloween Man posted:

I too couldn't get on with Hugo 2 and went back to Hugo TT. Had a similar impression as Foxman, found it unforgiving and a little bright with my speakers. I can imagine on different speakers it might work well.

After many months waiting,next week I am picking up a Hugo 2 for a home demo.I had the original Hugo for a couple of years,so I know it well,I am hoping it works well with my Dynaudio special 40s,if not,I may just keep it for headphones at work,did you try it with headphones Halloween Man?I have also heard the mojo,and the Dave/blu 11 combo at my dealers home,quite remarkable!

No quarter posted:
Halloween Man posted:

I too couldn't get on with Hugo 2 and went back to Hugo TT. Had a similar impression as Foxman, found it unforgiving and a little bright with my speakers. I can imagine on different speakers it might work well.

After many months waiting,next week I am picking up a Hugo 2 for a home demo.I had the original Hugo for a couple of years,so I know it well,I am hoping it works well with my Dynaudio special 40s,if not,I may just keep it for headphones at work,did you try it with headphones Halloween Man?I have also heard the mojo,and the Dave/blu 11 combo at my dealers home,quite remarkable!

so how was the blu2/Dave???

analogmusic posted:
No quarter posted:
Halloween Man posted:

I too couldn't get on with Hugo 2 and went back to Hugo TT. Had a similar impression as Foxman, found it unforgiving and a little bright with my speakers. I can imagine on different speakers it might work well.

After many months waiting,next week I am picking up a Hugo 2 for a home demo.I had the original Hugo for a couple of years,so I know it well,I am hoping it works well with my Dynaudio special 40s,if not,I may just keep it for headphones at work,did you try it with headphones Halloween Man?I have also heard the mojo,and the Dave/blu 11 combo at my dealers home,quite remarkable!

so how was the blu2/Dave???

The blu2/Dave is probably the best source I have ever heard,by a mile...real live music,no harshness or anything that resembles digital at all.I am lucky enough to hear the combo every time I visit my dealer,he usually has it playing.I have heard CDs played in the blu2 and a Simaudio streamer digital feed fed through it,in both cases,I was blown away.If I had the money,that is what my source would be. He uses Simaudio gear,and Focal Sopra 1 Speakers.I also heard the combo with MY special 40s,the day I picked them up,and I have heard the combo with Neat Iota Alphas,all sounded fantastic.

Yes I had heard the Dave at his place several times before he got the blu2,but I did not have any control over what he played,how loud etc.,so it is not the same as a home demo.It is hard for me to give any real credible information about the difference with or without the blu2,these visits usually last less than an hour,and of course we are talking to each other as well.All I know is,every time I leave his place...I am jealous,and want my own Dave/blu2.

No quarter posted:
Halloween Man posted:

I too couldn't get on with Hugo 2 and went back to Hugo TT. Had a similar impression as Foxman, found it unforgiving and a little bright with my speakers. I can imagine on different speakers it might work well.

After many months waiting,next week I am picking up a Hugo 2 for a home demo.I had the original Hugo for a couple of years,so I know it well,I am hoping it works well with my Dynaudio special 40s,if not,I may just keep it for headphones at work,did you try it with headphones Halloween Man?I have also heard the mojo,and the Dave/blu 11 combo at my dealers home,quite remarkable!

I think the special 40 might be a good match for Hugo 2 as I've read they are very forgiving and musical speakers.

Yes, I used Hugo 2 through Audioquest Nighthawk headphones and actually preferred it to Hugo TT. Nighthawks are very warm and smooth sounding headphones and worked well with H2.

How r you finding he special 40s?

I'm a little confused with the description of Blu2 "adding to Dave" and of playing a streamer through Blu2.

My understading is that Blu2 is a CD player (and so has held absolutely no interest for me), so it is a source feeding Dave - so does that not mean it is simply a better CD player? Possibly a CD player that makes CDs sound better than whatever digital file rendering source the commentators have heard?

Regarding Simaudio streamer, I take it that 'fed through Blu2 sounds better than direct to Dave. How do you feed a streaming source through a CD player and what is that doing?

I would be very interested in knowing how Poly compares. (And I assume that in due course Chord will make a Dave-oriented sibling of Poly, though the question will be how much different it will sound from Poly.)

No, no, no you don't get to dismiss Blu2 that easily, no you don't

It is a upscaler that has a built in CD Player.

Hugo had 26,000 taps, Dave 168,000 taps, and Blu has a million taps.

It has USB and COAX inputs, and really transforms Dave into something else, that's what people who got the Blu 2 say.

 

I did nothing to dismiss it, simply asked because I know nothing about it other than it is Chord's top cD player, and whilst I have no interest whatsoever in CD players here are people suddenly saying it somehow adds to a DAC, and can be used with a streamer - which to me is counter intuitive if you don't use CDs.

Halloween man

i really like the special 40s,for the price,they are hard to beat.I have owned focus 160s,C1Mk 11s,and currently own excite 12s and XD 600s,A’s you can tell,I like Dynaudio.

IB,analog is right,the blu2 is an upscaler too,not just a CD player...any digital source you send to it is upscaled ,then the signal goes into the Dave in this case,for analog conversion.

I was just kidding... it is very expensive

It is a massive FPGA based processor, even much more complicated than the one in Dave, and actually / apparently transforms Dave into something else.... some people say the Dave is really in need of a blu2...... 

This approach has been used by companies like DCS, and also Naim (NDS / XPS to NDS/ PS555DR)

No quarter posted:

Halloween man

i really like the special 40s,for the price,they are hard to beat.I have owned focus 160s,C1Mk 11s,and currently own excite 12s and XD 600s,A’s you can tell,I like Dynaudio.

IB,analog is right,the blu2 is an upscaler too,not just a CD player...any digital source you send to it is upscaled ,then the signal goes into the Dave in this case,for analog conversion.

How does the special 40 compare to the XD600 (I think maybe that is based on focus 380 ?)

I do love Dynaudio myself.... 

analogmusic posted:
No quarter posted:

Halloween man

i really like the special 40s,for the price,they are hard to beat.I have owned focus 160s,C1Mk 11s,and currently own excite 12s and XD 600s,A’s you can tell,I like Dynaudio.

IB,analog is right,the blu2 is an upscaler too,not just a CD player...any digital source you send to it is upscaled ,then the signal goes into the Dave in this case,for analog conversion.

How does the special 40 compare to the XD600 (I think maybe that is based on focus 380 ?)

I do love Dynaudio myself.... 

The XD is more based on the focus 340;or excite 38 I think it is,anyway,the XDs have more bass for sure,they are rated down to 20HZ,it is hard to compare a floor stander to a standmount really,the 40s image better,more refined(better tweeter),and the midrange is toe die for in the 40s,The XDs play louder,and are better closer to walls,both great speakers,more a matter of pick your poison,or what suits your situation more.Some people do not want an all in one speaker,I like to have both active and passive.

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