Chord Sarum T

In an otherwise all Music-cabled system (apart from mains leads), comparing Super Sarum to Sarum T over the past fortnight reveals that the Taylon equipped version is a real step up. It has a good dose of the Music's signature - that effortless ability to get to the emotion and meaning - but I don't think it's quite as close as some would hope. There's still a fair gap but it is really, really good and, I'd say, a must do upgrade for existing Sarum users.

I'd like to hear the speaker cable as I think that could be very interesting, given the hellish cost of Music in longer lengths.

Thanks Dave - you are killing me!

Each time I listen to my MUSIC cable on my KDS I am reduced to a blubbering idiot talking to himself.  I might have to sell my left kidney - or have my children forgo their last two years of college eduction - to swing a pair of speaker cables into the house.  In the end the rational thing to do would be to keep the synergy and just go for Music and not interject the "T" into the system

Truly breathtaking

Chris Dolan posted:
musicfan51 posted:

I contacted Chord and asked them the difference in Sound Quality Chord Sarum T & Chord Music !  They replied both are a big upgrade from Sarum Super Aray! But Music is noticeably better then Sarum T.  

Well they would say that, wouldn't they 

Yeah guess so !  Ha! Though it may be true !  No place to hear for me compare right now! 

I don't know if this will be of help to any other music lovers, but I just installed a pair of the new Sarum T cables into my system in place of my original Sarum Tuned Aray version of the Sarum level product.     This was the least scientific demo of all time- I have to confess.    I had removed the older cable from my system months ago, and managed to procrastinate so long that while I had intended to send it to Chord to have them upgrade it to the now intermediate Super Aray generation, by the time I actually got around to this, they had introduced the new Sarum T to the marketplace.    So, once the good folks at Chord had confirmed that they would be able to update my cables all the way to the newest generation of the Sarum cables, this was what I had them do.

Even with only a day of signal running through the cables, this new cable was far more sophisticated and complete than the performance I recalled from my original cable.    Superb detailing in the music, a very low noise floor, and a wonderful sense of ease while not being in any way a bloated sound.     If it gets much better with more break in time, I may have a hard time leaving home....

Good listening,

Bruce

 

bdnyc posted:

I don't know if this will be of help to any other music lovers, but I just installed a pair of the new Sarum T cables into my system in place of my original Sarum Tuned Aray version of the Sarum level product.     This was the least scientific demo of all time- I have to confess.    I had removed the older cable from my system months ago, and managed to procrastinate so long that while I had intended to send it to Chord to have them upgrade it to the now intermediate Super Aray generation, by the time I actually got around to this, they had introduced the new Sarum T to the marketplace.    So, once the good folks at Chord had confirmed that they would be able to update my cables all the way to the newest generation of the Sarum cables, this was what I had them do.

Even with only a day of signal running through the cables, this new cable was far more sophisticated and complete than the performance I recalled from my original cable.    Superb detailing in the music, a very low noise floor, and a wonderful sense of ease while not being in any way a bloated sound.     If it gets much better with more break in time, I may have a hard time leaving home....

Good listening,

Bruce

 

Are you using a Naim Streamer or Naim CD player for your source that you used the Sarum Ts on?  I asked cause wanted to know where you placed the Sarum Ts and on what stereo gear? I am still wondering what the sonic differences are in Chord Sarum T and Chord Music ? Some say it is close, others say it is not!  My dealer only has Chord Music. So no way to compare! Thanks for your input on the Sarum T. Bruce. They (Sarum T) sound like a big upgrade to Sarum Tuned Aray. I am using Sarum Super Aray on NDS Streamer! That is where I would do first upgrade . After that,  is If can afford it, I would upgrade between amp and Preamp !  

bdnyc posted:

I don't know if this will be of help to any other music lovers, but I just installed a pair of the new Sarum T cables into my system in place of my original Sarum Tuned Aray version of the Sarum level product.     This was the least scientific demo of all time- I have to confess.    I had removed the older cable from my system months ago, and managed to procrastinate so long that while I had intended to send it to Chord to have them upgrade it to the now intermediate Super Aray generation, by the time I actually got around to this, they had introduced the new Sarum T to the marketplace.    So, once the good folks at Chord had confirmed that they would be able to update my cables all the way to the newest generation of the Sarum cables, this was what I had them do.

Even with only a day of signal running through the cables, this new cable was far more sophisticated and complete than the performance I recalled from my original cable.    Superb detailing in the music, a very low noise floor, and a wonderful sense of ease while not being in any way a bloated sound.     If it gets much better with more break in time, I may have a hard time leaving home....

Good listening,

Bruce

 

I have heard the demo of Chord Music over Sarum Super Aray and was shocked how much better it was! I am getting serious on upgrading Interconnects either to Sarum T or Chord Music. It is a big decision though. One where your wife has to approve it.  But the difference is not subtle! 

 

When I compared the Sarum T to the Music there were more similarities than differences in terms of a lifelike and engaging sound. The Music provided greater insight but not a fundamentally different sound. On balance not worth paying nearly twice as much for the Music  IMO.

Hi Musicfan 51,

My system configuration is probably not widely known in the UK as it includes a number of American high end products in addition to my Naim components.     I intended this particular cable for use on my Naim NAT 01 FM tuner, which is my favorite source even though it is somewhat unusual these days.    I have also used it on my CDS 3 to good effect.    I would encourage you to try to hear some of these fine cables for yourself, but I don't have any meaningful in depth experience of the specific performance levels of the modern Chord Company cables myself, unfortunately.     Perhaps you can find a good local dealer who displays various tiers of the Chord cables so you can hear them for yourself, or you might be able to do this at an audio show if Chord was presenting?

Good luck,

Bruce

 

Chris Dolan posted:

Well I have now heard the ChordMusic v Sarum T (which is actually branded Sarum T Super Aray but it's probably easier just to refer to Saum T). I really should not have done so 

Chris- The Urika deserves the Music....you will not regret it 

ATB,

Mark

varyat posted:
Chris Dolan posted:

Well I have now heard the ChordMusic v Sarum T (which is actually branded Sarum T Super Aray but it's probably easier just to refer to Saum T). I really should not have done so 

Chris- The Urika deserves the Music....you will not regret it 

ATB,

Mark

I have Naim NDS/555Dr as source and Kef Blade Twos as speakers! Would Chord Music be worth using as Interconnects from NDS to Preamp  over Sarum Ts with this equipment or too subjective to say ?? 

musicfan51 posted:
varyat posted:
Chris Dolan posted:

Well I have now heard the ChordMusic v Sarum T (which is actually branded Sarum T Super Aray but it's probably easier just to refer to Saum T). I really should not have done so 

Chris- The Urika deserves the Music....you will not regret it 

ATB,

Mark

I have Naim NDS/555Dr as source and Kef Blade Twos as speakers! Would Chord Music be worth using as Interconnects from NDS to Preamp  over Sarum Ts with this equipment or too subjective to say ?? 

Definitely worth using Music in your set up. I believe Alan Gibb at Chord uses Blades at home - he will of course be using Music.

Sarum T is terrific but Music is another big step upwards.

varyat posted:
Chris Dolan posted:

Well I have now heard the ChordMusic v Sarum T (which is actually branded Sarum T Super Aray but it's probably easier just to refer to Sarum T). I really should not have done so 

Chris - The Urika deserves the Music....you will not regret it 

 

Mark - I am now sure that you are right that the Urika deserves the Music, but I was kind of hoping that you weren't  

Dave J posted:
musicfan51 posted:
varyat posted:
Chris Dolan posted:

Well I have now heard the ChordMusic v Sarum T (which is actually branded Sarum T Super Aray but it's probably easier just to refer to Saum T). I really should not have done so 

Chris- The Urika deserves the Music....you will not regret it 

ATB,

Mark

I have Naim NDS/555Dr as source and Kef Blade Twos as speakers! Would Chord Music be worth using as Interconnects from NDS to Preamp  over Sarum Ts with this equipment or too subjective to say ?? 

Definitely worth using Music in your set up. I believe Alan Gibb at Chord uses Blades at home - he will of course be using Music.

Sarum T is terrific but Music is another big step upwards.

I am thinking of doing the upgrade to Chord Music ! "Just" have to clear it with the better half!  But the word "just" is a big just! 

glevethan posted:

Here is a copy and paste from my post of several weeks ago

"Music, imho, is an end game cable"

Personally, I would be happy with Naim's Top Tier System, way back in 2014!

555CD>552DR>Snaxo>3 x 500>Briks

Standard Naim IC & Hi Line with Nac A5

But, things are changing, Music, not in this life Time!

However, Sarum T with Taylon, Source & XLR.

And that old, Chord Signature Speaker Cable.

I'm in Heaven!

Just Dreaming!

Enjoy your Music, the Why!

Allante93!

PS.

TTs ~ LINN / Amps ~ Naim

ICs & Speaker Cable~ Chord

 

Allante93 posted:
glevethan posted:

Here is a copy and paste from my post of several weeks ago

"Music, imho, is an end game cable"

Personally, I would be happy with Naim's Top Tier System, way back in 2014!

555CD>552DR>Snaxo>3 x 500>Briks

Standard Naim IC & Hi Line with Nac A5

But, things are changing 

Yes - they have changed.  Today substitute Klimax DS for 555CD!

Allante93 posted:
glevethan posted:

Here is a copy and paste from my post of several weeks ago

"Music, imho, is an end game cable"

Personally, I would be happy with Naim's Top Tier System, way back in 2014!

555CD>552DR>Snaxo>3 x 500>Briks

Standard Naim IC & Hi Line with Nac A5

But, things are changing, Music, not in this life Time!

However, Sarum T with Taylon, Source & XLR.

And that old, Chord Signature Speaker Cable.

I'm in Heaven!

Just Dreaming!

Enjoy your Music, the Why!

Allante93!

PS.

TTs ~ LINN / Amps ~ Naim

ICs & Speaker Cable~ Chord

 

Did you get Sarum T Interconnect and XLRs or are you dreaming about getting them ? 

musicfan51 posted:
Allante93 posted:
glevethan posted:

Here is a copy and paste from my post of several weeks ago

"Music, imho, is an end game cable"

Personally, I would be happy with Naim's Top Tier System, way back in 2014!

555CD>552DR>Snaxo>3 x 500>Briks

Standard Naim IC & Hi Line with Nac A5

But, things are changing, Music, not in this life Time!

However, Sarum T with Taylon, Source & XLR.

And that old, Chord Signature Speaker Cable.

I'm in Heaven!

Just Dreaming!

Enjoy your Music, the Why!

Allante93!

PS.

TTs ~ LINN / Amps ~ Naim

ICs & Speaker Cable~ Chord

 

Did you get Sarum T Interconnect and XLRs or are you dreaming about getting them ? 

Dreaming!

 

lyndon posted:

So we're probably all agreed then, T is better than the Super Sarum 

does anyone know the cost of the upgrade 

1. IC din - din

2. din - xlr 

3. Speaker cables

lyndon

 

has anyone tried the tonearm cable ??

might start a new thread for that one

I read Chord can upgrade your Sarum & Sarum aray Interconnects for 40% of the Sarum Ts . Not sure if that pertains to Super Sarum Aray ! ChordMusic is a Super Sarum Aray with Taylon dielectric! 

lyndon posted:

So we're probably all agreed then, T is better than the Super Sarum 

does anyone know the cost of the upgrade 

1. IC din - din

2. din - xlr 

3. Speaker cables

lyndon

 

has anyone tried the tonearm cable ??

might start a new thread for that one

I found this online. Don't know if you can get better prices though...

 

musicfan51 posted:

I read Chord can upgrade your Sarum & Sarum aray Interconnects for 40% of the Sarum Ts . Not sure if that pertains to Super Sarum Aray ! ChordMusic is a Super Sarum Aray with Taylon dielectric! 

I think you'll find that Sarum T is Super Aray with the Taylon dielectric (and now the new Din plugs). The Chord Music, whilst still using the Taylon, also features a different conductor.

I heard the Chord Music interconnect at Cymbiosis last weekend installed between a Linn Urika (LP12 phono stage) and Naim Audio NAC552 pre-amp. I also heard the Sarum T. Whilst the Sarum T is a superb interconnect, the Music is in a whole different class.

Hi Chris,

As you no doubt know, if the Sarum T cable you will be hearing is brand new, it may require some playing time to really come into it's full potential.    I have had a new pair playing on my NAT 01 tuner for a few weeks now, and that was certainly sufficient to allow it to get into a zone of being utterly enchanting.    Now, whether this is the full potential remains to be heard....

Good listening,

Bruce

 

bdnyc posted:

As you no doubt know, if the Sarum T cable you will be hearing is brand new, it may require some playing time to really come into it's full potential. 

Hi Bruce - it is new. It arrived at Cymbiosis from Chord on Thursday  As I said it is not what you might expect, but I will hopefully add more on Tuesday.  

Chris is the first, as far as I know, to go from an SSA mains cable to a T on his Radikal. I'm really interested to hear how he gets on with it.

My experience so far of burn in with Taylon is that it far, far less painful - on Music in any case - in that it sounds great from the off and just continues to get better...

I shall be back off holidays tomorrow (sitting in the airport lounge thanks to a 6 hour delay as I write this) and hopefully my upgraded SSA cables will be waiting for me together with an upgraded Music interconnect. Looking forward to hearing them...

tara labs evolution zero cables received a lot of praise in the high end audio community. Chord music are perhaps not the last and final step.  They are very expensive, 10 k for 1m if i remember...but i found many reviews recently who praise a lot them ( high fidelity poland, stereophile, positive feedback, dagogo( tara labs gold). )

Just to share, because there is not only chord or naim cables, and all the posts on cables are always chord t, chord music, naim superlumina...

My cables are also chord , signature tuned array, and i am very pleased. But if i had nearly limitless funds, like those who can buy naim statement, i would try some different high end cables, not only chord or vertere( superlumina).

But maybe chord music is the last cable to have, who knows?

 

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

yes, very probably, but if i had the money i would try to see. I would compare chord t, tara labs, and nordost. If not pleased with tara labs and nordost, i would return simply them.

For my inner experience, no dealer in Paris advised me to have a tube preamp with naim amp: it will not work, naim goes with naim and bla-bla-bla..... But i tried the ear 912 all tube preamp with my past nap 250. I had 252/ supercap/ 250 before. After 10 minutes listening at dealer place( with my nap 250), i knew that i had to buy the ear 912 and sell the 252/supercap: all was better to my ears, even dynamic!  fluency, soundstage, true tones, definition of the bass, and general dynamics.

Choosing chord cables is easier and less risky, but sometimes we can have very good surprises. 

varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

+1.... In fact the very first Chord Chrysalis was unofficially designed with help from Naim, and according to Chord went on to influence all their later interconnects.

But technologies change, and Sarum Aray is a real innovation and improvement, and so are the really excellent Vertere interconnects and cables, so plenty of choice in the market if one cannot afford the Superlumina.

To my ears Vertere cables do not sound like Superlumina as they are made of different material, insulations, voiced by different companies and designers.

 

analogmusic posted:
varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

+1.... In fact the very first Chord Chrysalis was unofficially designed with help from Naim, and according to Chord went on to influence all their later interconnects.

But technologies change, and Sarum Aray is a real innovation and improvement, and so are the really excellent Vertere interconnects and cables, so plenty of choice in the market if one cannot afford the Superlumina.

To my ears Vertere cables do not sound like Superlumina as they are made of different material, insulations, voiced by different companies and designers.

 

superlumina are vertere.  I wanted to point that it is not impossible to find even better cables than superlumina or even chord music.   There is no reason that naim components have to sound best only with superlumina or chord sarum or music.  Probably but not certainly.

Tara labs or nordost are used on a lot of different high end electronics, tube, solid state or hybrid. Naim audio is not a unique and specific brand, closed on itself, and unable to work with other brands. It was that at the beginning of naim, with only din to din connectors.

I think that the fear in naim community to associate other brands to naim components is still present and i think it is a little sad.

I think the point that some are trying to make is that certain cables, such as Chord and Superlumina (Vertere), have better SYNERGY and excel at similar traits as Naim components do.

A Porsche 911 Turbo is a better and faster car than a BMW M4 however if the owner wants to go fast on a rough and gravelly road the BMW might be better adept at that type of usage rather than a 911 which will do better on a smoother surface.  Better synergy with the road surface.

Chord, and others, seem to have better synergy with what Naim users are after - PRAT, musicality and timing.  Not to say that Nordost or others are not "better" cables - perhaps however they are better in other parameters and thus have better synergy with other HiFi brands.

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