Comrade Corbyn

Yes she reminds me of John Major in so much as an accidental PM who just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get the top job.

They say we get the politicians we deserve so I suppose we are to blame to some degree although I  think the great British public have enough about them not to let Agent COB and his buddies McDonald and Mcluskey get in.

I loved the day Portilllo was announcing a new Royal Yacht and when asked what the new ship would be called up stepped the Beast of Bolsover “ obvious what it will be called isn’t it.  Will be called Camilla won’t it”. As he exited the Chamber courtesy of Speaker Boothroyd Nicholas Soames was heard to say “give him a good thrashing Betty”.!!

thebigfredc posted:
thebigfredc posted:

He's dead.

My bad, he's alive, at least according to Wikipedia.

I was getting him confused with that other arch socialist - Dennis Healey, only joking, I meant Tony Benn.

 

Hilary Benn seems to be carrying the family torch pretty well. I suspect we'll see him as a leader of the party one day.

Nick from Suffolk posted:

Skinner would be head and shoulders above the current half dead halfwit currently holding down the position of FO. Or perhaps his (BJ's) skulking out of the Commons yesterday presaged his downfall; one can but wish.  

You may not agree with his politics, but he's one of the very few politicians who shows a fair degree of integrity. I think he's great - best "Skinnerism" was when he stood up in the House and said, "Half of the opposite bench are crooks". Admonished by the speaker and told to retract, Dennis replied: "OK, half of them aren't crooks".

Nick from Suffolk posted:

Skinner would be head and shoulders above the current half dead halfwit currently holding down the position of FO. Or perhaps his (BJ's) skulking out of the Commons yesterday presaged his downfall; one can but wish.  

Currently reading David Laws account of  the Coalition.   He comments that Boris can appear to be a complete and utter fool and then in the next breath absolutely brilliant. 

thebigfredc posted:
thebigfredc posted:

He's dead.

My bad, he's alive, at least according to Wikipedia.

I was getting him confused with that other arch socialist - Dennis Healey, only joking, I meant Tony Benn.

 

if every mp served his  seat in Bolsover like dennis   then  parliament would be a better place

northpole posted:
Huge posted:

The one politician who, from the point of charisma, still stands out...   Is Boris Johnson...  

Imagine him as PM...  

Not sure who would be worse him or Jeremy Corbyn!

I sincerely hope that we never get to find out.

Peter

But there's a chance that they may become the only realistic choices presented.

The tory's are always in a form of disagreement over something simply because they are not automatons.     I agree the bit about Boris being an utter fool & a moment later brilliant;  the problem I have with that is it makes him unsuitable for PM,  & yes I agree   

I suspect if/when the big push is applied to TM,  the most likely replacement will be Jacob Rees-Mogg,  & that will be interesting

Well I’m an avid remainer, internationalist by nature and believe 100% in dialogue.  But national interest has to be protected.  Although not a Labour voter I have previously tended towards giving Jeremy Corbyn the benefit of the doubt on the grounds that he stands by his principles but yesterday in the House of Commons proved him to be a quite despicable character.   He should resign as Labour leader and be deselected as MP for Camden. 

100%   I watched the HoC broadcast & was shocked but at the same time not surprised at his unwise/misguided party political point-scoring of such a serious subject.    I did note that during the Q&A session after the PM statement many labour MP's made a point of distancing themselves in one way or other from JC's position.  

A military weapon of Russian origin and of a type banned from use by international law has been deployed in Britain.
That is the simple fact.

As there was only very limited care to limit the "collateral damage" (hence the extent of the necessary cleanup operation), it's as stark as if a Russian military jet with stealth technology had been flown over Salisbury and dropped a smart-bomb on the house (it's just a lot less physically dramatic than that option would have been).

Corbyn's response will be seen by some in the Russian oligarchy as an invitation to carry out whatever atrocities they wish to inflict on this country, should he ever come to power.  He is now a definite and clear security risk to Britain.

Dozey posted:

To be honest the Russians can do what they like in the UK and they know it. The UK has no retaliation which will make any difference. We will just look stupid for making further empty threats.

We can seize Russian assets in Britain.

In time of war that is perfectly acceptable.  Since a military asset was deployed on foreign soil, if Russia cannot show this action to have been committed by rogue agent or foreign power; then, in international law, that is an act of war that constitutes a declaration of war by the Russians (N.B. it's a declaration of war by the Russians, not by us!).  We are entitled to at least temporarily treat Russia as a hostile power.  We can legitimately seize assets and, even without trial, we can inter all citizens of hostile powers.

I'm not advocating doing these just yet (particularly not the latter), but I think they are a couple of things that may make a difference to Russia.  To say that "The UK has no retaliation which will make any difference." is patently not correct.

I agree with Huge. Some very strong action needs to be taken against Russia and Russian interests in the UK.

We need to negotiate some very strong counter measures with our European and American friends. Hopefully, the sacking of Rex Tillerson (who made some pretty strong statements about the Russian involvement in the Salisbury poisoning) by Trump this morning won't impact the position that the US takes on the incident. However, given recent astonishing events over the past couple of days relating to Russia in the States, then quite frankly - your guess is as good as mine.  

naim_nymph posted:
Huge posted:
 

....We can seize Russian assets in Britain.

 

Does that include all Russian money donations to Tory Party funds?

It'll financially bankrupt the Tory Party!

 

How about we turn all Russian assets into funds for the Tory party?   

Problem solved.   

Huge posted:
naim_nymph posted:
Huge posted:
 

....We can seize Russian assets in Britain.

 

Does that include all Russian money donations to Tory Party funds?

It'll financially bankrupt the Tory Party!

 

How about we turn all Russian assets into funds for the Tory party?   

Problem solved.   

It doesn't need that amount, the Kremlin already owns the Tory Party with Russian funding.

This is probably why Comrade May & the Tory Brexit Party has gone against UK national interest and democracy, and gone hell for leather to leave the EU, their Russian paymasters demand nothing less.

naim_nymph posted:
Huge posted:
naim_nymph posted:
Huge posted:
 

....We can seize Russian assets in Britain.

 

Does that include all Russian money donations to Tory Party funds?

It'll financially bankrupt the Tory Party!

 

How about we turn all Russian assets into funds for the Tory party?   

Problem solved.   

It doesn't need that amount, the Kremlin already owns the Tory Party with Russian funding.

This is probably why Comrade May & the Tory Brexit Party has gone against UK national interest and democracy, and gone hell for leather to leave the EU, their Russian paymasters demand nothing less.

I've learnt to hate the Russians through my whole life, if another war comes its them we must fight.

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