Core and Naim App Updates ??

SC posted:

Please Note:

- Editing of Composers and Conductors will not be enabled and is not currently planned as a future update.  
- The metadata editing functionality is based solely within the app, there is no desktop editing functionality.
- Only ripped CDs or CDs imported from a previous Naim server that have been ripped, can be edited.
- Music content in the Downloads Folder cannot be edited so the option will not be available.
- 'Artist Name' cannot be changed globally, only on a per CD basis.
- When a Uniti Core is updated to the firmware which includes the 'Edit Metadata' feature, if the database already includes music from a previously imported Naim collection any user edits applied on that collection will be reinstated automatically.

At least we know that Naim is joining Trump's pre-emptive strike on classical music. The "will not be enabled" in the first commandment is great: let's make sure that all these sick classical music intellectuals know that we could actually do it if we wanted so. Terrific. Great.

nbpf posted:
SC posted:

Please Note:

- Editing of Composers and Conductors will not be enabled and is not currently planned as a future update.  
- The metadata editing functionality is based solely within the app, there is no desktop editing functionality.
- Only ripped CDs or CDs imported from a previous Naim server that have been ripped, can be edited.
- Music content in the Downloads Folder cannot be edited so the option will not be available.
- 'Artist Name' cannot be changed globally, only on a per CD basis.
- When a Uniti Core is updated to the firmware which includes the 'Edit Metadata' feature, if the database already includes music from a previously imported Naim collection any user edits applied on that collection will be reinstated automatically.

At least we know that Naim is joining Trump's pre-emptive strike on classical music. The "will not be enabled" in the first commandment is great: let's make sure that all these sick classical music intellectuals know that we could actually do it if we wanted so. Terrific. Great.

I think Naim mean "won't be enabled by this update" rather than "they are there but we aren't going to enable them".

best

David

David Hendon posted:
nbpf posted:
SC posted:

Please Note:

- Editing of Composers and Conductors will not be enabled and is not currently planned as a future update.  
- The metadata editing functionality is based solely within the app, there is no desktop editing functionality.
- Only ripped CDs or CDs imported from a previous Naim server that have been ripped, can be edited.
- Music content in the Downloads Folder cannot be edited so the option will not be available.
- 'Artist Name' cannot be changed globally, only on a per CD basis.
- When a Uniti Core is updated to the firmware which includes the 'Edit Metadata' feature, if the database already includes music from a previously imported Naim collection any user edits applied on that collection will be reinstated automatically.

At least we know that Naim is joining Trump's pre-emptive strike on classical music. The "will not be enabled" in the first commandment is great: let's make sure that all these sick classical music intellectuals know that we could actually do it if we wanted so. Terrific. Great.

I think Naim mean "won't be enabled by this update" rather than "they are there but we aren't going to enable them".

best

David

I'm sure you are right. Still, a very impressive war bulletin. Best, nbpf

David Hendon posted:
nbpf posted:
SC posted:

Please Note:

- Editing of Composers and Conductors will not be enabled and is not currently planned as a future update.  
- The metadata editing functionality is based solely within the app, there is no desktop editing functionality.
- Only ripped CDs or CDs imported from a previous Naim server that have been ripped, can be edited.
- Music content in the Downloads Folder cannot be edited so the option will not be available.
- 'Artist Name' cannot be changed globally, only on a per CD basis.
- When a Uniti Core is updated to the firmware which includes the 'Edit Metadata' feature, if the database already includes music from a previously imported Naim collection any user edits applied on that collection will be reinstated automatically.

At least we know that Naim is joining Trump's pre-emptive strike on classical music. The "will not be enabled" in the first commandment is great: let's make sure that all these sick classical music intellectuals know that we could actually do it if we wanted so. Terrific. Great.

I think Naim mean "won't be enabled by this update" rather than "they are there but we aren't going to enable them".

best

David

Same Same But Different is the phrase that comes to mind.....!

jon honeyball posted:

it says my firmware is up to date, which i dont think is correct. Id tell you what version it is, but it doesnt make it obvious. Sigh.

@jon honeyball If you still had the beta app installed and installed the new app over the beta, you have to "update source" to Release. Then I found restarting the app gave me the option to install the new release firmware immediately.

best

David

David Hendon posted:

...but the iPad app metadata editing works well, even if it's a bit limited

But it's that very issue that personally makes me want to scream........What the ideal UI is can be debated and I don't really care if I have to write all the metadata down on some ruled A4 with a 2B pencil and shove it in the slot – I just want the Core (or ideally my current US – not going to happen, I know) to read the flippin' info and genuinely do something useful with it.......

David Hendon posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Does anyone know if the UnitiServe compilation problem has been sorted out on the Core?

I think I know what you mean, and I've been beta testing this for weeks, but to be sure what do you mean by the "Unitiserve compilation problem"?

best

David

Sorry, not clear. The fact that it is impossible to edit compilation albums so as to allocate a different artist to each track, as you can in iTunes, for example.

Richard Morris posted:
David Hendon posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Does anyone know if the UnitiServe compilation problem has been sorted out on the Core?

I think I know what you mean, and I've been beta testing this for weeks, but to be sure what do you mean by the "Unitiserve compilation problem"?

best

David

Sorry, not clear. The fact that it is impossible to edit compilation albums so as to allocate a different artist to each track, as you can in iTunes, for example.

I've just had a quick play with my Core and as far as I can see, you can edit the artist for the album, but not on a per track basis.

best

David

Richard Morris posted:
Sorry, not clear. The fact that it is impossible to edit compilation albums so as to allocate a different artist to each track, as you can in iTunes, for example.

HaHaHaHaHaHa.......! Welcome to my world......

But hey, it's a 10yr+ work in progress.....

jH listed some other software bugs & issues in the main Update post – apparently they'll be "fixed in the next update " .......It's like Groundhog Day.......

Gazza posted:

On the naimsupport site the global option was the first part in accessing the album metadata. If not how do I start the process of editing once I choose an album

thanks

You select the album. Then touch the three dots icon ... on the top right of the screen and a drop down list appears. Metadata editing is one of the entries in the list.

You have to have the new version of the IOS app as well as the new firmware of course.

best

David

David Hendon posted:
jon honeyball posted:

it says my firmware is up to date, which i dont think is correct. Id tell you what version it is, but it doesnt make it obvious. Sigh.

@jon honeyball If you still had the beta app installed and installed the new app over the beta, you have to "update source" to Release. Then I found restarting the app gave me the option to install the new release firmware immediately.

best

David

doesnt work if you delete the beta and install the release version. There is no "update source" menu any more. 

I might have beta still on my ipad. I shall check. 

You can always reinstall the beta certificate, but anyway if you deleted the beta then you don't need to worry because the release app will offer you the release update.

But you can easily check what you have: go to the Core page in the app, go to Settings and About. "Application" should be 1.4.6904.0.0

If it isn't then you aren't on the new release firmware yet.

best

David

Gazza posted:

David, I have the latest iOS software, but metadating editing does not appear. I have unplugged the core etc , but no difference? Suggestions welcomed

 

What version of firmware does your Core have? You can check by looking in the Core page of the app, Settings, About. Then application should say 1.4.6904.0.0

if it says 1.3 something then that is the problem and I suggest you restart the Core and the app and check for updates again.

hope this helps

best

David

Gazza posted:

It says it's version 1.4

All I can suggest is restarting your Core and your IOS app then. It should work.

if not then I suggest email support@naim or they may pick it up anyway from this forum stream.

This is probably a daft question but when you select the album you want to edit, you are in that album with artwork, track listings etc? And it's the top ... and not the bottom ... you select?

best

David

David Hendon posted:
Richard Morris posted:
David Hendon posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Does anyone know if the UnitiServe compilation problem has been sorted out on the Core?

I think I know what you mean, and I've been beta testing this for weeks, but to be sure what do you mean by the "Unitiserve compilation problem"?

best

David

Sorry, not clear. The fact that it is impossible to edit compilation albums so as to allocate a different artist to each track, as you can in iTunes, for example.

I've just had a quick play with my Core and as far as I can see, you can edit the artist for the album, but not on a per track basis.

best

David

Thanks. I'm baffled why this hasn't been fixed, on the Core, at least.

SC posted:
nbpf posted:
SC posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Richard Morris posted:
mikeyjfs posted:

…There are third party metadata editors out there.  I did try Metadatics (on Mac) for one or two items, before I got steered away by Naim on the basis of possible database corruption....

 

A worrying statement - I use Metadatics on a UnitiServe - any more details?

For CD rips, Naim's acvice is that you should only use N-Serve for metadata editing, and never make any changes to music files and folders by accessing them on a computer. For downloads, this does not apply, Metadatics is fine, and they are stored in a separate folder.

Richard – as ChrisSU correctly states,...

Providing you can gain access to the Naim rips, there is actually nothing stopping you embedding metadata in the files (inc WAV) with 3rd party software – however I think the advice not to stems from the fear that it could potentially corrupt the internal database, i.e that, with the external text info file still in place, it sees two sets of metadata and starts to get itself in a pickle......

But wouldn't it be possible to export the internal rips, do all the metadata editing on a platform/tool of one's choice and reimport the files to the downloads folder?

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Absolutely correct. And actually the only way to do it (as far as I'm aware) as you are prevented from putting the files back into the internal store of the US and only have access to the 'user' Downloads folder.....This was all my grand plan – but I sort of hit a wall when it became apparent the US only really handles the few main 'top level' tag fields (Album, Artist, Title, Date etc) and besides, the App doesn't display and utilise all the additional extended metadata anyway......

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This is one of the reasons why I have not bought a US and why I find the new uniti range so deeply depressing.

Naim pretends to be developing solutions for music enthusiasts. As a matter of fact, however, they are only developing for users that do not care about classical music, opera and, more generally, about how their music can be organized and browsed.

The latest announcement that  "Editing of Composers and Conductors will not be enabled and is not currently planned as a future update" on the Core says it all. What's wrong with editing the Composer and Conductor indexes?  Why is editing Artist enabled but editing Conductor is not? This is simply beyond belief ...

I have grown increasingly dissatisfied with the Core app on my ipad mini.  Artwork takes too long to load so that when I try to select an album the app is slowly adding photos and the titles move across the screen.  There does not seem to be a way to disable the artwork feature.  When I try to search by artist or genre I have the same problems but worse.  Today the app won't let me select at all by artist or genre.  I'm using my Core at my office for now and had planned to bring it home this Fall.  However, if the app isn't significantly improved and or functioning as it should I will be dumping it on the used market.  It seems to me Naim has bit off more than it can chew with the Core.  The sound is great, but if the search method barely works, what's the point?  

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