Dipping toes into the NAS (world) with no clue and getting rid of the CD player

Huge posted

 

Secondhand ND5 XS £1600

Synology 216j or 218j £180
WD Red or Segate NAS drive 3TB £100
Netgear GS105 £25
Ethernet Cables £12
DBpoweramp (software) £25 or EAC (whatever you want to pay)


Total £1942 - i.e. in Budget!


Provided you want the NAS for Music streaming and backup/general file storage a Synology 216j (or 118 or 218) will be perfectly adequate.  The only limitations you may encounter are with transcoding, but the simple answer is to just use WAVE files, the more complex answer is to use Minim Server).  The more powerful NAS drives are intended for use with multiple concurrent users (mote than 10) or for intensive jobs like transcoding video files; for music and domestic use, they simply aren't justified.

Or if you want to go even cheaper then google for Volumio. They’ll do you a pre-built Pi based player/streamer/renderer/whatever for just over £100. use with the rest of Huge’s kit and it’ll get you started for less than a grand!

 

And it does internet radio as well.

Also, if you have your own DAC then Volumio will do you a digital streamer.

trickydickie posted:

Stephen

Here's a thought.

A used NAC-172 and NAP200 is within reach of your £2000 budget.  £1400 for the 172 and £900 for the 200.  That makes £2300.

Sell the CD player and amp and the Hi-Line and you will raise £900 to £1000 so back down to £1400,  Add a NAS for £200 and you are sorted! 

I know you didn't want to mess with the Nait but I suspect this would make a much better system.  Hopefully HH will convince you that a NAS is easy enough that you don't need to look at the Core as I think your money is better spent on the main system rather than a posh ripper/NAS good though that is.

RIchard

Thank you Richard for your alternative view point here and it does make for really good sense!

I am just thinking of starting from the top and working my way down as I have always done things the other way round in the past. Not the best way?

My dream system was going to be a CDX2 - Supernait 2 - with well matched speakers.

 However, i have now decided to kill off the CD player full stop and introduce a dedicated streaming solution instead but maxing this out first?  then after I have financially recovered maybe looking at still going for a Supernait 2.

Having said all this, you have now got me thinking and maybe looking at another option...food for thought...

Kind regards,

Steve

Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I can't help myself and i'm probably jumping the gun here (in my mind that is) but the more I think about the Core the more my eye goes on the line of sight with my finger on the trigger! 

It is feeling a bit like a Cain & Able moment - I have to keep reminding myself to keep calm & carry on!

I would say that you may have reached the stage where you have had more than enough ‘advice’ from the forum! Time to find yourself a good dealer or two who can help you to make the right choice. 

Well, I’ve spent a very pleasant evening with Stephen, listening to music and chatting about streaming. Whether he found it pleasant is something else entirely!

Now I have a good understanding of what he wants to do, my conclusion from our discussion is that the way forward is to (1) get a Qnap and (2) listen to an ND5XS2 when it becomes available. We discussed the 272/200 route, but that doesn’t align with a prefence for a separate steamer and amplifier. The new platform will be better than the legacy, as it enables Qobuz via Chromecast. A better amplifier can follow in due course. The only problem for Stephen is that a desire for Naim speakers may have been rekindled!!

Firstly, I would just like thank Nigel ever so much for a very pleasant and enjoyable evening listening to some great music. His knowledge and wisdom has certainly help show me a way forward with a clearer understanding into the world of streaming. Indeed, I have now decided to go the Qnap & Naim streamer route. It all makes perfectly good sense to me now, thanks to him.

It was so great to hear a full fat Naim system too and those SL2 speakers are something to behold entirely!

Nigel too was kind enough to go through with me the workings of the Naim app as well as explain clearly how to back up files from the NAS to a storage device. He also went through with me the organising of the metadata, how to down load files from Qobuz, change album covers, how to organise the library and sort the cabling to all the devices.

I could not ask for a better and more insightful evening spent with a great host with which I have to say is very much appreciated!

Cheers Nigel!

Stephen Tate posted:

Firstly, I would just like thank Nigel ever so much for a very pleasant and enjoyable evening listening to some great music. His knowledge and wisdom has certainly help show me a way forward with a clearer understanding into the world of streaming. Indeed, I have now decided to go the Qnap & Naim streamer route. It all makes perfectly good sense to me now, thanks to him.

 

That's good news Stephen. I think you'll rather like the new ND5XS2 and I will be interested in how you get on.

James

All good folks - now to conjure up a plan! 

I'm just going to go ahead anyway and purchase a NAS device, nothing too flashy, just something along the lines of one that is adequate, basic and inexpensive that has already been recommended to me here. Luckily, I have a small cupboard next door to my listening room with a power point which will be ideal for the NAS to reside in and help keep everything neat and tidy and out of harms way.

I am also going to wait for the ND5 XS2 to become available, then go to my dealer and organise a demo or a home audition, hopefully this year if that's possible! 

Oh and go for one of those switch type thingamajig devices to plug the Ethernet cables in, probably the one that Huge has kindly recommended me.

Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed here and help guide me so far, you guys are amazing!

Warmest regards,

Steve

james n posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Firstly, I would just like thank Nigel ever so much for a very pleasant and enjoyable evening listening to some great music. His knowledge and wisdom has certainly help show me a way forward with a clearer understanding into the world of streaming. Indeed, I have now decided to go the Qnap & Naim streamer route. It all makes perfectly good sense to me now, thanks to him.

 

That's good news Stephen. I think you'll rather like the new ND5XS2 and I will be interested in how you get on.

James

Thank you James.

Now to get the ball rolling!

Just to throw in a curve ball...

If you're looking at the ND5 XS2, it may well be worth doing an audition to compare it to a second hand NDX at the same time, they are both a similar price and you'll then know which sound you prefer.  The NDX is also upgradable with an external power supply (not the case for the ND5 XS2).  

Stephen Tate posted:

All good folks - now to conjure up a plan! 

I'm just going to go ahead anyway and purchase a NAS device, nothing too flashy, just something along the lines of one that is adequate, basic and inexpensive that has already been recommended to me here. Luckily, I have a small cupboard next door to my listening room with a power point which will be ideal for the NAS to reside in and help keep everything neat and tidy and out of harms way.

I am also going to wait for the ND5 XS2 to become available, then go to my dealer and organise a demo or a home audition, hopefully this year if that's possible! 

Oh and go for one of those switch type thingamajig devices to plug the Ethernet cables in, probably the one that Huge has kindly recommended me.

Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed here and help guide me so far, you guys are amazing!

Warmest regards,

Steve

Stephen , glad your'e sorted I would imagine the dealers are in for a fairly busy time when the new Streamer range is launched hope the waiting time is not to long.

Gazza posted:

And the power supply upgrade makes a big difference. I was demoing a 252 vs 282 last week. The sound was a bit thin and weedy, added the 555ps and it sounded superb.

Well, that is 555 vs X on those preamps, effect on NDX may be different. 

For the OP, a primary question would be how well the s/h NDX compares to the new ND5XS2, and depending on potential future upgrade budget also see the difference adding external PS would make (to his ears in his system). 

I note that ND5XS2 at £2k is stretching the OP’s budget (after allowing for the expenditure on NAS), and the NDX presently may do likewise - though I guess that prices of s/h NDX are likely to fall after the new models are released (as, incidentally, may ND5XS mk1).

Huge posted:

Just to throw in a curve ball...

If you're looking at the ND5 XS2, it may well be worth doing an audition to compare it to a second hand NDX at the same time, they are both a similar price and you'll then know which sound you prefer.  The NDX is also upgradable with an external power supply (not the case for the ND5 XS2).  

We discussed this last night. Stephen wants to be able to stream Qobuz easily, which is possible with Google Cast in the new platform. It’s possible with the existing, but involves bubble upnp on the nas and other complications. 

Innocent Bystander posted:

For the OP, a primary question would be how well the s/h NDX compares to the new ND5XS2, and depending on potential future upgrade budget also see the difference adding external PS would make (to his ears in his system). 

I note that ND5XS2 at £2k is stretching the OP’s budget (after allowing for the expenditure on NAS), and the NDX presently may do likewise - though I guess that prices of s/h NDX are likely to fall after the new models are released (as, incidentally, may ND5XS mk1).

Interestingly, I read a review just recently from a highly regarded reviewer comparing both the older models and their take on things was that the ND5XS with a XP5 outshone a bare NDX. 

Whether it will be true with the new ND5 XS2 beating the older stand alone NDX is anyone's guess, but I doubt there is much in it and in any case, the ND5 XS2 not being upgradable is what is appealing to me just as the Nait 5si has.

Stephen Tate posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:

For the OP, a primary question would be how well the s/h NDX compares to the new ND5XS2, and depending on potential future upgrade budget also see the difference adding external PS would make (to his ears in his system). 

I note that ND5XS2 at £2k is stretching the OP’s budget (after allowing for the expenditure on NAS), and the NDX presently may do likewise - though I guess that prices of s/h NDX are likely to fall after the new models are released (as, incidentally, may ND5XS mk1).

Interestingly, I read a review just recently from a highly regarded reviewer comparing both the older models and their take on things was that the ND5XS with a XP5 outshone a bare NDX. 

Whether it will be true with the new ND5 XS2 beating the older stand alone NDX is anyone's guess, but I doubt there is much in it and in any case, the ND5 XS2 not being upgradable is what is appealing to me just as the Nait 5si has.

Yet my experience with adding XP5XS PS to ND5XS was that the difference was marginal and simply not worth the money, that better spent on an alternative upgrade - as with all things, it is only what you hear, in your system. The new streamers are still an unknown quantity, but I think most people expect significat step up on the models they replace, so it could well be that ND5XS2 will match or better the NDX, though whether that includes latter with external PS also remains to be seen (heard!). If the ND5XS2 will be affordable it makes every sense to wait and hear it, though you might want to consider other similarly priced options with which to compare it (such as NDX mk1, notwithstanding the Qobuz aspect)

Granthar posted:

I live in Chichester on the South Coast, more than happy to demo my system and help you with setting up a NAS solution.

Depending on how many songs you have there may be more economical solutions than a full blown NAS solution.

Thanks for your very kind offer Granthar.

I think I pretty much know where i'm heading now after taking everything into consideration and after visiting HH where he showed me in great detail how to set up a NAS system into Naim.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, i'm going to go the Naim streamer and Qnap/Synology NAS route as I think this to be the neatest and a very convenient way of having access to my music. 

I just need to contact my dealer now and get the ball rolling, which reminds me!

Thanks

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

Stephen Tate posted:

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

You’re cleaning them with BEER! What a waste 

Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

It means the rip had no detectable errors, but this time the CD is not present in AccurateRip's database.

ChrisSU posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

You’re cleaning them with BEER! What a waste 

Isopropyl alcohol very lightly dabbed with a lint free cloth - it's never caused me any problems over the years. I suppose if I did use beer then I agree with you, what a waste of beer!

Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

I assume to do with accurate rip, though whether that means it simply hasn’t found the track in AR, or that it did but the rip doesn’t tally I don’t know - I’m sure that dB will tell you somewhere, in the help, maybe online? What ripping options are you using? 

If that is all you can achieve, you could look where the rip is saved you’ll see if the tracks exist, and whether the filesize appears about right for the track length. If seems OK you could try playing to assess.

 

Stephen Tate posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

You’re cleaning them with BEER! What a waste 

Isopropyl alcohol very lightly dabbed with a lint free cloth - it's never caused me any problems over the years. I suppose if I did use beer then I agree with you, what a waste of beer!

Sorry, rubbish joke - I knew perfectly well what you meant!

Frank Yang posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

It means the rip had no detectable errors, but this time the CD is not present in AccurateRip's database.

Hi Frank,

so if I understand you correctly, the offending track has still ripped ok? 

Stephen Tate posted:
Frank Yang posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

It means the rip had no detectable errors, but this time the CD is not present in AccurateRip's database.

Hi Frank,

so if I understand you correctly, the offending track has still ripped ok? 

I hope so, you can confirm by playing it? Does it sound OK as expected?

I suspect the CD is probably rare?

Innocent Bystander posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

I assume to do with accurate rip, though whether that means it simply hasn’t found the track in AR, or that it did but the rip doesn’t tally I don’t know - I’m sure that dB will tell you somewhere, in the help, maybe online? What ripping options are you using? 

If that is all you can achieve, you could look where the rip is saved you’ll see if the tracks exist, and whether the filesize appears about right for the track length. If seems OK you could try playing to assess.

 

Thanks IB, i'll have a look.

I'm still not quite used to it yet. I've just been putting discs in and walking away.

I'm using the secure setting on level 5 (recommended)?

Frank Yang posted:
Stephen Tate posted:
Frank Yang posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Hi folks,

I have been ripping CDs into my laptop via dBpoweramp and I have noticed that some tracks have a red border around them with a AR X; on the end written in green it says 'secure'. Can anyone here tell me whether or not the tracks have been ripped or have they just been cancelled and ignored?

I'm not sure what to do, I have checked the offending CDs and all appears to be ok, even so I do clean them with some IPA and try again with a re-write but still no luck.

Is there something else I can do?

Thanks for any help.

It means the rip had no detectable errors, but this time the CD is not present in AccurateRip's database.

Hi Frank,

so if I understand you correctly, the offending track has still ripped ok? 

I hope so, you can confirm by playing it? Does it sound OK as expected?

I suspect the CD is probably rare?

Yes. Funny enough it does seem to tally up with rare compilation discs!

Stephen Tate posted:

 

Thanks IB, i'll have a look.

I'm still not quite used to it yet. I've just been putting discs in and walking away.

I'm using the secure setting on level 5 (recommended)?

I meant the bit in the drop down (can’t recall exactly what called, but ttere were notes somewhere earlier in the thread: to do with how quickly/thoroughly it reads, and to do with the accurate rip check. 

If the problem is simply that AR doesn’t have thectrack, don’t worry about it - I had a few that AR didnt know. But if it is not accurate, then a slower more thorough read might be worth trying.

Innocent Bystander posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

 

Thanks IB, i'll have a look.

I'm still not quite used to it yet. I've just been putting discs in and walking away.

I'm using the secure setting on level 5 (recommended)?

I meant the bit in the drop down (can’t recall exactly what called, but ttere were notes somewhere earlier in the thread: to do with how quickly/thoroughly it reads, and to do with the accurate rip check. 

If the problem is simply that AR doesn’t have thectrack, don’t worry about it - I had a few that AR didnt know. But if it is not accurate, then a slower more thorough read might be worth trying.

I've got you - lossless encoding - uncompressed?

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