Dipping toes into the NAS (world) with no clue and getting rid of the CD player

Suzy Wong posted:

ChrisSU posted:

 I can still see no reason for using more than one drive (in the same enclosure) if it’s just for music, but others will no doubt have different views on this. 

ChrisM’s response

Probably in the (probably forlorn) hope that in the event of a hard disk failure I wouldn’t have to spend hours/days/weeks/months/years(?) re-ripping our 2300 CDs .....started last August and still got over 100 to do!

And I have yet to convince my dearly-beloved of the easiness of streaming...she prefers sticking the silver discs into the Karik/CDX/Meridian200/CD3.5/Denon.............

My point is that putting a backup disc in the same enclosure is ineffective. It may work if the main drive fails, but it gives zero protection if there is a fault elsewhere in the enclosure, or in the event of fire, theft, flood etc. So yes, you should have a second drive, but in a second enclosure in a different location. Then if one fails, the other can immediately be used to play music, as well as to restore data to a replacement drive. 

Chris is right, the second drive in the same enclosure is not the correct way of securing a backup and a number of factors can result in data loss.  Even if you have RAID you MUST have independent backups.

However, I do think there is benefit in having a mirrored drive, (or RAID5 in a larger unit) as if one drive fails the music keeps playing and the resilience allows time to source a replacement with very little effort being required to get back to normal as the replacement drive will automatically rebuild once installed.  

Yes, it is easy for a power supply fault in a NAS to take out all the drives. In fact you really should have the backup disconnected from everything most of the time, including the mains, as a spike due to nearby lighting strike is one of the most common causes of total loss of computer data - in this case potentially a large music collection, all of which might then need to be retooled, and  in time, if you purchase by download, no CD copy in the loft. You simply connect up the backup periodically to add to it whatever New has been added, the frequency for that minor hassle balanced against the purchasing pattern, only new music being vulnerable until done. If you want complete protection against loss in the event of fire or burglary, avoiding the hassle of replacement under insurance, or even an option not to bother insuring your collection, then an additional backup could be held in another place entirely - at work, or in a friend’s house.

Removable USB drives can be prone to failure and when they do fail you can't get at your data. A better option could be a USB to dual SATA HDD docking station, when the docking station fails you still have your data on the HDDs, and the unit can be removed and powered off in the same way to avoid power surges etc.

Hi again folks,

 just to try and clarify here.

I have may laptop plugged into the NAS via a Ethernet cable. Another Ethernet cable comes out of the NAS and into my modem. I then went online and followed the 'quick setup guide' without any success so far. I have no clue on how to register it and it won't let me go any further. Am I doing something really stupid and missing something that is hiding in plain sight?

Thanks

Ok thanks HH, that's very kind of you. As I say, I am a bit 'lost at sea' when it comes to computers or networking. 

I think I have so far managed to download the Qnap app and install the settings but i'm still quite lost as for the life of me I don't really know how I managed that.

Many thanks

 

 

Innocent Bystander posted:

Yes, it is easy for a power supply fault in a NAS to take out all the drives. In fact you really should have the backup disconnected from everything most of the time, including the mains, as a spike due to nearby lighting strike is one of the most common causes of total loss of computer data - in this case potentially a large music collection, all of which might then need to be retooled, and  in time, if you purchase by download, no CD copy in the loft. You simply connect up the backup periodically to add to it whatever New has been added, the frequency for that minor hassle balanced against the purchasing pattern, only new music being vulnerable until done. If you want complete protection against loss in the event of fire or burglary, avoiding the hassle of replacement under insurance, or even an option not to bother insuring your collection, then an additional backup could be held in another place entirely - at work, or in a friend’s house.

You want back-ups?, Yup, we got backups.

I suppose I should have mentioned my other NAS. It’s an old LG with a BD writer..........older and slower than the Synology and the discs are too small, but it holds the primary backup of my photos and a few other bits. The iTunes library is “backed up” on the various family iPods. The other thing I do is use a variety of old hard disks (both SATA & IDE) which I can temporarily attach to the PC via a USB “adaptor”, save stuff to them, then disconnect and store elsewhere. Not to mention the number of BD with back-ups on them!

Short of the house burning down, we’re pretty well covered.

trickydickie posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

You need both the Qnap and the laptop to be on the network. You don’t connect the two directly together. I will forward your email address to Richard, who has agreed to assist. 

Stephen - you have email!

Ok Richard, thank you very much for reply. I'm just going into my mail box now.

Stephen Tate posted:

Crikey, this is all seeming to be quite complicated for me. I've been mucking around for hours now and have got nowhere. I'll try again tomorrow...

I sumpathise: it can be a bit of a learning curve when you take the plunge, but you have approached it a logical and unpressured way, getting the NAS before streamer, so no pressure to get up and running. You will get there, I’m sure with willing guidampnce on here, so indeed just take a break from lt, and try again when fresh. It will get there, after which you’ll wonder what the problem was!

Stephen Tate posted:

Thanks IB.

If I can't the thing working tomorrow then I think I will be sending it back and getting a Rega deck instead. I just want to listen to music at the end of the day and not be faffing around with complications.

<slight rant>

Don’t panic! This stuff is not intuitive. If you get fed up with it, call Naim support and ask Phil Harris to sort it for you. He may not thank me for upping his workload, but this stuff is childsplay for him, and I’m quite sure he will be able to get you up and running. 

Stephen Tate posted:

Thanks IB.

If I can't the thing working tomorrow then I think I will be sending it back and getting a Rega deck instead. I just want to listen to music at the end of the day and not be faffing around with complications.

<slight rant>

the beginning in set up a streaming system is not so easy for not computer men, like me.  But when you will succeed, you will be happy and choosing your music just using an ipad is very comfortable and even magic.   Try perhaps to do it by phone, with someone in the forum.  See also youtube, you can perhaps find a video to help install a nas.

Stephen do you have access to a yoof or a computer-literate person who knows this stuff? If you know it you know it and you just do it, but typing out an explanation and what to do if this happens and if something else happens do this guide is a waste of everybody's time tbh. Someone fluent in computers would have this sorted in half an hour.

An offer of payment either in cash or kind never goes amiss. For guidance I willingly accept a bottle of wine for sorting out PC problems and anything related to bicycles etc. The bigger the job the better the wine obvs...

Farm it out to someone who gets it, make sure you note down passwords and userIDs and how to reconnect it if it stops, and you're there. 

Stephen Tate posted:

Thanks IB.

If I can't the thing working tomorrow then I think I will be sending it back and getting a Rega deck instead. I just want to listen to music at the end of the day and not be faffing around with complications.

<slight rant>

Stephen , like you I found it very difficult and very frustrating when I started streaming I was working at the time and fortunately one of he chaps from the IT department sorted it for me.

When I purchased my new system three years ago I also found the dealer very helpful in sorting out a few issues I had.

I would persevere and get it up and running and enjoy the ease and convenience of streaming well worth it in the end.

Whilst a lot of people say it is easy it is only easy if you know how to do it.

Best of luck.

It’s why I bought the Uniti Core, just plug into the network and the App finds it and my Nova or Muso.....and that’s it just play music. Yes, more expensive, but life is too short for frustration, especially when all I want to do is relax with the music.

Gazza posted:

It’s why I bought the Uniti Core, just plug into the network and the App finds it and my Nova or Muso.....and that’s it just play music. Yes, more expensive, but life is too short for frustration, especially when all I want to do is relax with the music.

Same here works for me.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Richard has already provided guidance, and I’m sure will help further if required. 

Indeed, and I'm sure it's been gratefully received but there's a difference trying to follow something parrot-fashion with little or no understanding of why, when an experienced person could just waltz through it knowing what to do when it doesn't work as expected. I can follow recipes, but cooking is harder work...

Streaming is a rewarding and efficient way of accessing music and is v pleasurable once it all works. It'd be a shame to bin the whole idea just because the techie bit can be a bit awkward.

Hi all,

Thank you to everyone for all your support, indeed i'm finding it all a bit difficult to get going but I very much appreciate this forum and all of it's members for all their help and guidance. I will get there in the end, it's just a matter of getting to know what the hell is going on. I've still at this moment made no further progress because i'm busy but i'm sure I will. I have just finished a very hard week at work and i'm (at this moment) just enjoying my CD5si for music making.

I'll be back...

Many thanks

I have just discovered a ( and probably not allowed to be discovered or discussed) tweak. My surface mount  mains back box had become loose and this is where my [now] CD player and amp are both plugged into (which is screwed into plasterboard/stud work). Before tightening the screws, I  have decided to de-couple it ( the back box) from the plaster board wall with some foam ear plugs, in between the box and wall, before re-tightening (just tight) the screws. I have found (to me) this has made an appreciable upgrade with the CD5si and Nait 5si for very little money and i am busy enjoying this moment before tackling the Qnap again. 

Thanks

 

 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Richard has already provided guidance, and I’m sure will help further if required. 

Yes, thank you HH. I have further contacted Richard for some guidance, he has kindly offered me his assistance via E-mail, which is great. I hope to be up and running soon. 

Thanks

Hi,

a quick update ; 

firstly, i have to say a very special thank you to Trickie Dickie for helping me set-up my Qnap with Asset - it took Richard well over a good hour of his time!  I have to say that he went way beyond the call of duty and thanks to his expertise i'm now up and running, I can't thank him enough, what a guy!

I shall have a play around with it all tomorrow and try to become familiar with everything and then report back. I have lots of learning to do and hopefully I won't be making too many mistakes along the way.

How exciting!

Cheers all

Pcd posted:
Gazza posted:

It’s why I bought the Uniti Core, just plug into the network and the App finds it and my Nova or Muso.....and that’s it just play music. Yes, more expensive, but life is too short for frustration, especially when all I want to do is relax with the music.

Same here works for me.

This has crossed my mind and I think with hindsight I should of done the same, but i'm here now and with some help/ guidance from some this forum's amazingly helpful members, especially with the wizardry skills from Richard (aka Trickey Dickey), it can be done. I knew I was going in too deep for my own good as I have no computer background skills whatsoever but 'ho hum' here I am...

I just need to wait for Naim to release their new ND5 XS 2 network player now. I would like to of stretched myself and try to go for the NDX2 but it's just too financially challenging for me at this present time!

At least, in the meantime, I now have some time to rip my CDs and get used to navigating my way around a NAS device.

Thanks all

Pcd posted:
Stephen Tate posted:

Thanks IB.

If I can't the thing working tomorrow then I think I will be sending it back and getting a Rega deck instead. I just want to listen to music at the end of the day and not be faffing around with complications.

<slight rant>

Stephen , like you I found it very difficult and very frustrating when I started streaming I was working at the time and fortunately one of he chaps from the IT department sorted it for me.

When I purchased my new system three years ago I also found the dealer very helpful in sorting out a few issues I had.

I would persevere and get it up and running and enjoy the ease and convenience of streaming well worth it in the end.

Whilst a lot of people say it is easy it is only easy if you know how to do it.

Best of luck.

Yes, things are easy to a person who does these things day in day out, a bit like a professional snooker player who makes potting balls look stupidly easy and it probably is albeit with years and years of experience!

As Winston Churchill once said: " the key to success is to go from one failure to the next with the same amount of enthusiasm". 

Stephen Tate posted:

Hi,

One question I do have is - how do I play music from the NAS? Do I have to wait for the Naim streamer?

Thanks

Your computer should be able to find the NAS on your network, so you can play your music from there into your existing DAC until you have chosen your new system. You could use one if the many free audio apps such as VLC on your computer. No complicated setup required!!

Indeed, Chris is right, all a NAS is is a set of hard disk drives connected to your home network with a tiny little computer for management functions, and fashionably these days running little media servers and other little applications. Most consumer NAS by default are set to advertise their presence on your home network so other devices such as computers can find them without you needing to get too involved with configuration. Therefore your computer might show your NAS as network storage on your file manager or equivalent... if you have stored music files like FLAC or WAV there, you can play these back from your computer with its media player... just like the file was stored in your computers disc drive.

All your streamer will be doing when it comes will be (with its app) is looking for a UPnP media server on your home network... which you may indeed run on your NAS as many do on this forum. Internally your NAS media server is simply reading the media files as described above like a regular computer would, but your UPnP media server is using a specific set of protocols that help a streamer spool and play the media files as a stream of data rather than as a data file.

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

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