Euros 2016

'A good friend of mine who plays in a (very this year)  successful regional league football team thinks its about the national team footballers being paid too much money.'

I note in the two post match interviews on the BBC website Joe Hart has found the time to put on his over-sized blingy watch, and Rooney his glittery diamond ring. I jest not.

Guys, you really don't help yourselves do you.

Mind you overpaid footballers from other nations are performing well for their countries at these tournaments, and looking like they have the passion and desire.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

A good friend of mine who plays in a (very this year)  successful regional league football team thinks its about the national team footballers being paid too much money. They don't have the raw drive. and passion anymore.. it is about the money. After all I understand some of Icelandic team maintain part time jobs as well as playing in the national side. Perhaps the brexit situation might improve things if it reduces the likelihood of simply throwing money at importing talent in the top leagues and encourages the training and nurturing of more home grown talent with real passion and drive.. 

Let's not just put this down as a bad performance of the English national team. Iceland has played pretty decent as is not the easy opponent everybody wants us to believe. So yes the performance of the English team missed passion etc like the Spanish National team, but still there is an opponent as well in these games....

Bert, don't get me wrong, Iceland were good .. They won, despite many of the technical attributes going England's way.. and that is what it was all about which is precisely my point. The performance of England had been consistent in the ways I describe through the earlier Euro16 games.. in my opinion.

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

'A good friend of mine who plays in a (very this year)  successful regional league football team thinks its about the national team footballers being paid too much money.'

I note in the two post match interviews on the BBC website Joe Hart has found the time to put on his over-sized blingy watch, and Rooney his glittery diamond ring. I jest not.

Guys, you really don't help yourselves do you.

Mind you overpaid footballers from other nations are performing well for their countries at these tournaments, and looking like they have the passion and desire.

Well look at Portugal.. they have one of the most well paid footballers in Europe.. decidedly lack lustre.. but at least they won their last match. Obviously it's not all about money.. But it's also how money is used to develop and nurture players as well as simply rewarding and buying talent.

Iceland were excellent, a proper handful. What irritates me is hearing commentators and players talking about getting England back 'to where they belong' with this ridiculous sense of entitlement. Iceland earn their results, we seem to think they are owed.

We have not been a first rank football nation for a generation.

Bruce

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

'A good friend of mine who plays in a (very this year)  successful regional league football team thinks its about the national team footballers being paid too much money.'

I note in the two post match interviews on the BBC website Joe Hart has found the time to put on his over-sized blingy watch, and Rooney his glittery diamond ring. I jest not.

Guys, you really don't help yourselves do you.

Mind you overpaid footballers from other nations are performing well for their countries at these tournaments, and looking like they have the passion and desire.

The England teams really are an enigma. In the second half, the players looked like rabbits caught in the headlights. I think the usual reasons trotted out for these disappointments really don't explain it; the reasons are more complex. I noticed that, unlike most other teams who respond to going a goal down by upping their efforts, the England team become instantly demoralised and fall apart. Hodgson's tactics are a complete mystery - why does he insist on placing players in positions they're unfamiliar with?

Still, at least we've got Wales to cheer on.

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

Iceland were excellent, a proper handful. What irritates me is hearing commentators and players talking about getting England back 'to where they belong' with this ridiculous sense of entitlement. Iceland earn their results, we seem to think they are owed.

We have not been a first rank football nation for a generation.

Bruce

Totally agree. 'Winning' the penalty an equally irritating phrase...but as we didn't even qualify I can hardly gloat.

Well done Iceland!

G

JamieWednesday posted:

OK, so next England Manager..?

Papers trotting out some of the usuals but no-one can seem to think of an ideal fit.

Respected, experienced, shrewd, tactical, respected, knows the game.

How about...

 

At least we would be better at diving with this bloke in charge. We are as bad at faking it as we are at the rest of the game

JamieWednesday posted:

OK, so next England Manager..?

Papers trotting out some of the usuals but no-one can seem to think of an ideal fit.

Respected, experienced, shrewd, tactical, respected, knows the game.

How about...

 

Good idea, Jamie.

I heard Ian Watmore, ex Chief Exec of FA, being interviewed on R4 this morning. The names he suggested were Alladyce, Southgate and Pardew.  Hardy inspiring, and I dread to think what brand of football England would play under Big Sam (KevinW will no doubt have  a view ).  I suppose Southgate has done well with the Under 21s but he's hardy proven at the top level.  I suppose with the team being very young there might be a case for getting a young manager like Bournemouth's Howe, and giving him several years to build a competitive team. Striving for Instant success e.g. Russia 2018, seems likely to result in the familiar disappointment. We need a new, long-term approach.       

People in the know about international football knew about this Icelandic team many of the players where part of a successful under 21 side whose coach was sitting on the bench with the Icelandic first team coach and will take over from him after these Euros. It is about continuity Gareth Southgate coach of our under 21's wasn't even in the 1st team set up at these Euros's, English players should come up through the under 17's, under 19's, under 21's gaining experience along the way and THEN the first team and if they refuse to play for the youth team they are eligible for because they feel it beneath them then they should not be considered for an international cap at senior level ever.

Bob the Builder posted:

People in the know about international football knew about this Icelandic team many of the players where part of a successful under 21 side whose coach was sitting on the bench with the Icelandic first team coach and will take over from him after these Euros. It is about continuity Gareth Southgate coach of our under 21's wasn't even in the 1st team set up at these Euros's, English players should come up through the under 17's, under 19's, under 21's gaining experience along the way and THEN the first team and if they refuse to play for the youth team they are eligible for because they feel it beneath them then they should not be considered for an international cap at senior level ever.

I believe that's the way the Germans do it, and they seem to have a rather successful track-record at international level.  

Brilliant game and what a brilliant result for us! Some really classy goals to take us 3 games further than anyone would have even dreamt of being possible.

I think the loss of Ramsey and Davies will be our undoing though, as we just don't have the strength in depth to deal with the loss of our better players. Bale will really have to eclipse Ronaldo if we're to have a chance on Weds. Completely euphoric tonight though!

Penarth Blues posted:

Brilliant game and what a brilliant result for us! Some really classy goals to take us 3 games further than anyone would have even dreamt of being possible.

I think the loss of Ramsey and Davies will be our undoing though, as we just don't have the strength in depth to deal with the loss of our better players. Bale will really have to eclipse Ronaldo if we're to have a chance on Weds. Completely euphoric tonight though!

Yes congratulations - well deserved...

Penarth Blues posted:

Brilliant game and what a brilliant result for us! Some really classy goals to take us 3 games further than anyone would have even dreamt of being possible.

I think the loss of Ramsey and Davies will be our undoing though, as we just don't have the strength in depth to deal with the loss of our better players. Bale will really have to eclipse Ronaldo if we're to have a chance on Weds. Completely euphoric tonight though!

Absolutely cracking game - Wales looked really strong for much of the game with three great goals - and indeed an outstanding Belgium goal as well. Looking forward to the match with Portugal who have not been that outstanding so far in this tournament.

Fabio 1 posted:

The big match is coming...It will be hard for the Azzurri but also for Deutchland.It's a classical.

Hopefully, it'll be a great game, and, historically, Germany has never beaten Italy at this stage in past competitions in recent times.

Yes, they did win in a recent friendly, but so did England in their pre-tournament friendlies, and look how that ended!

Forza Azzurri! 

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