F1 - 2017

The championship has not yet started and it seems the poor Manor Racing is about to go into receivership and be the first casualty of 2017. I wish them well and hope they can find a buyer and be able to compete this season. 

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Past attempts at cost control have come to nothing. Future attempts will depend on who is running the FIA. The present incumbent won't get off his ares on this issue.  It might be pension damaging. Meanwhile Silverstone are doing a convincing wobble. That's all right. "If you can't afford it then piss off" - seems to be the mentality.  But if they treat enough fans like that......

Interesting news oozing out is Silverstone are threatening to leave F1 after 2019 because of spiralling costs of running it.  Or maybe (I suggest)  the fee's & the escalator terms they are contracted to pay to F1 for staging it.    The fee's they pay to F1 are low in comparison to other circuits,  double double + that of Silverstone Sochi, Monza etc.,  the only difference is Silverstone does not receive any government support.    

As I posted on the 'NR Retires' thread  .........    The 2017 cars will be brutal to drive with so much more power & grip - probably a bit too much cornering force than is good for them &/or the driver.   Should be fun to watch - I hope

Finkfan posted:
BigH47 posted:

Well things are looking up for McLaren with the launch of what is probably an very expensive and really ugly watch.

Bottas confirmed to Mercedes, Massa probably back for another year at Williams.

Wherlein to Sauber

Only time will tell

It's certainly unique. Although if the recent car performance is anything to go by, it may be running a little slow! 

Finkfan posted:
Finkfan posted:
BigH47 posted:

Well things are looking up for McLaren with the launch of what is probably an very expensive and really ugly watch.

Bottas confirmed to Mercedes, Massa probably back for another year at Williams.

Wherlein to Sauber

Only time will tell

It's certainly unique. Although if the recent car performance is anything to go by, it may be running a little slow! 

Looks like a bag of nuts and bolts with a strap fitted

Pcd posted:
Finkfan posted:
Finkfan posted:
BigH47 posted:

Well things are looking up for McLaren with the launch of what is probably an very expensive and really ugly watch.

Bottas confirmed to Mercedes, Massa probably back for another year at Williams.

Wherlein to Sauber

Only time will tell

It's certainly unique. Although if the recent car performance is anything to go by, it may be running a little slow! 

Looks like a bag of nuts and bolts with a strap fitted

Again....just like last years car! 

Bernie Ecclestone has been removed.  Liberty Media who have bought out F1 say he has been appointed chairman emeritus & will act as an adviser to the board.    Chase Carey has added Ecclestone's former role of CEO to his position of Chairman.

Ecclestone is reported to have said he was forced out.

Mike-B posted:

Bernie Ecclestone has been removed.  Liberty Media who have bought out F1 say he has been appointed chairman emeritus & will act as an adviser to the board.    Chase Carey has added Ecclestone's former role of CEO to his position of Chairman.

Ecclestone is reported to have said he was forced out.

poor Bernie.....maybe  he can use the time he now has available to find his marbles.....sadly lost a long time ago 

A change was long overdue and the fans started deserting the sport in droves a long time ago.  All dinosaurs are slowly being pushed aside or retired. Dennis, Ecclestone... who's next?

It is also the end of speculation of Ross Brawn heading  for McLaren as he has been appointed managing director. I always like his style and commanding leadership within the teams he worked for and  helped  to build, including his Brawn Team winning a Championship.

I've only just picked up on that one,  Tony.     per www.F1 .........  today announced the appointments in newly created roles of Ross Brawn as Managing Director, Motor Sports and Sean Bratches as Managing Director, Commercial Operations. These appointments are effective immediately in conjunction with the completion of Liberty Media’s acquisition of Formula 1 announced earlier today.

It looks like F1 leadership is in for an interesting time.  I just wish they would develop an app ( on Apple TV would be ideal) or website, where I could pay to watch/stream the 20 races ( I don't have a TV subscription anymore).  In other news, the Manor situation doesn't look so good. 

It would appear the running of F1 will be split with Ross Brawn in charge of the "sporting and technical" side with a former ESPN executive, Sean Bratches, running the commercial side.  Will be interesting how those two sides react to each other - hopefully though things like decisions on tyres will be made purely on technical grounds rather than (as it appears happened) who pays more money into the F1 "pot".

Liberty have spoke about securing the "classic" races; presumably at a more reasonable cost to the tracks; while also expanding in USA but perhaps moving away from the Far East expansion we have seen in recent years.

I have high hopes for Liberty. They're saying the right things, hiring first rate people, and showing concern for the historical and fan valued European venues. John Malone, the money behind Liberty is a first rate businessman. Malone was one of the pioneers of cable tv here in the US and widely admired..............not an easy thing for a billionaire businessman.

Guy007 posted:

An interesting interview here with Carey http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/38731760

I have also heard talk of a New York street race which would be interesting, the NASCAR runs a Toronto street race, so that I think could be more feasible.  Would be good to have something on the West coast though, Vancouver, Seattle or San Francisco.

Don't you mean Indycar, Guy?

Carey did say that social media and other modern methods were being looked at.

It seems they are looking to try and equalise and even simplify the cars, even talk of removing DRS. A more equitable share of the revenues, the quicker Ferarri lose some/all of their "historical" payments the better IMO. It would prompt they annual Ferarri leaving F1 statement of course. 

Other things being talked about, are more offerings within longer race meetings, not sure how that would work unless you could fit in 21 races 2 weeks apart.

Yes apologies BIGH47, Indycar.  They ran the Nascar Nationwide on the Montreal F1 track, saw it a few years back in the 'F1 off year'.

I'm sure they will try a few things out over this year and get input from the teams and drivers pre season start.  Anything to give more money to the smaller teams would be good too. 

FIA has modified penalty regs for 2017 season.        

Charlie Whiting will still report incidents to the stewards as before,  but for 2017 "It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide if any driver involved in an incident should be penalised,” (article 38.2)     The idea is drivers will only be penalised if it is absolutely clear that they are at fault. It's hoped that this will encourage drivers to attempt more overtaking moves without the fear that they may be punished for a minor contact.

In other reg changes, drivers who are unable to serve a time, stop-go or drive-through during a race due to retirement will get a grid penalty at the next event.

 

Mike-B posted:

The jobs are retained until the end of january.  That means one week longer than planned to secure an investor.

Announced earlier today,  Manor Racing have gone bust.   The operating company has been in administration since 6 Jan & FRP Advisory has been unable to find a buyer.  The staff were sent home & told they will be made redundant by the close of business on Tuesday after the payment of January salaries.

Sad news. I hope other teams can accommodate some of the staff and that Liberty sort out the sharing of TV and sponsorship deals more evenly thus helping smaller teams survive the dog-eat-dog world of F1. 

If Ferrari decide to throw a tantrum, as usual,and leave the sport altogether, good riddance!

Tony2011 posted:

..................  thus helping smaller teams survive the dog-eat-dog world of F1.     If Ferrari decide to throw a tantrum, as usual,and leave the sport altogether, good riddance!

Just so,  I was chatting with some Williams guys last evening & they were very damming of the way F1 divides out the money saying that contributed to the demise of Manor.  It was Ferrari throwing tantrums claiming they need more money than smaller teams & apart from the other big teams going along with it,   they squarely blame Berie for pushing it through  (hints of brown envelopes). 

Local Oxford news re Manor Racing:     Anneliese Dodds MEP has called for a European Commission investigation into the FIA and F1 following Manor's collapse.   She said: "The collapse of Manor Racing could be the end of seven turbulent years for a team that brought highly skilled jobs to Oxfordshire. I am very concerned that this follows other job losses in small teams.    Formula One Group, its owners and the FIA as a regulator really need to be investigated after this collapse.   The unfair way in which prize money is allocated in the sport, permanently favouring the largest teams regardless of their finishing position, has seen many teams struggle to survive.  The Commission must investigate the complaints it received last year from two F1 teams related to anti-competitive practices ............. "

Mike-B posted:

The unfair way in which prize money is allocated in the sport, permanently favouring the largest teams regardless of their finishing position, has seen many teams struggle to survive.  The Commission must investigate the complaints it received last year from two F1 teams related to anti-competitive practices ............. "

Yes, I totally agree with this, a low budget or personal team cannot keep in challenge with such monsters as McLaren. They are always on a ball.

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