F1- 2018 Season.

kevin J Carden posted:

Would it be churlish to draw comparison between today’s events and Nelsinho Piquets ‘crash’ at Singapore in 2008? 

The reason for the virtual safety car has failed today ... the idea behind the VSC is to “neutralise” the race for safety... when you can gain 10 seconds by pitting under the VSC (rather than pitting normally something is wrong. The pit lane should be closed under a VSC or there needs to be a approx 10-15 second penalty for putting under VSC (to allow pitting for safety reasons). 

The (negative) idea of pitting under the safety car is put in context for me when the commentators are saying things like “his only hope for a win is if there is a safety car!”

Eloise posted:

........................... The pit lane should be closed under a VSC or there needs to be a approx 10-15 second penalty for putting under VSC (to allow pitting for safety reasons). 

Or rejoin the race in the same track position prior to pitting.    Damage repairs incured in whatever reason for VSC needs to be an exception, but in no circumstances can a car gain position under VSC

Mike-B posted:
Eloise posted:

........................... The pit lane should be closed under a VSC or there needs to be a approx 10-15 second penalty for putting under VSC (to allow pitting for safety reasons). 

Or rejoin the race in the same track position prior to pitting.    Damage repairs incured in whatever reason for VSC needs to be an exception, but in no circumstances can a car gain position under VSC

In this situation that wouldn’t work - rejoining in same position - as the point was Vetel (and Alonso and others) failed to loose positions by pitting under VSC rather than actually gaining position. 

Yes it appears Merc got it wrong; but you’re encouraging / rewarding teams who plan their strategy around other people’s misfortunes and surely that’s not right?

JamieWednesday posted:

Like someome said on the post race calll in, what's to stop everyone just running through the pit lane during a VSC then?  Mockery methinks.

AFAIK the rules say under a VSC you may only enter the pit lane for the reason of changing tyres; so thats whats to stop everyone running through the pit lane.

Anyway wasn't it more that by pitting under VSC drivers lost less time (compared with the rest of the field) than when pitting normally.  Okay so thats always the case pitting under safety car but in the case of this race and under the VSC its even more so - it still takes the same length of time to enter the pit lane, change tyres and then exit, but the other cars are going much slower.

Andrew Benson, on the BBC (who's opinions you may or may not agree with), summed up what feels to me wrong "The decision [for Vettel to stay out] would have been made in the hope of an incident bringing out the safety car": why are you making strategy decisions based on other people having (what could be potentially life threatening) incidents.  It is a "safety" car; the rules around the safety car should be engineered in a way that its not possible to gain a strategic advantage from it - IMO of course.  Yes I accept that Mercedes and every other team may have gained similar advantage from safety cars in the past ... but it feels wrong to me!

A report in www.F1 says that Mercedes blame a software bug for a miscalculation over the VSC/Vettel pitstop timing.   

The team & Hamilton had it all under control during the opening stages & were on course to re-take the lead from Vettel during a normal pit stop sequence   - until the VSC,  Then it seems another "offline" tool they use to create delta lap times had a bug.  Going back over the VSC sequence they say there was plenty of time for Hamilton to gain the time & get ahead of Vettel's pit exit,  if the software had been correct. 

Good to know there is a plausible explanation for their misfortune.

It is still a mystery though how the Hass cars performed so well for such a small team. Surely nothing to do with its power plant supplier and exchanging info which is forbidden under the rules of engagement. Surely not. I’m beginning to see red.

It's a sad indictment of F1 that Hamilton couldn't come close to attacking Vettel for the lead of the race, given the pace which the Mercedes enjoyed. Gone are the days of a 'charging Mansell/Senna' and alike. 

..and a complete contrast to the last few laps of the latest MotoGP race. 

Yes indeed that was a bit exciting,  not exactly F1 racing as intended,  but it stopped a body nodding off after a superb sunday lunch c/o my local (very local) beef farmer & my domestic goddess.   

I also feel sorry Botas,  but maybe only 70% sorry,  it might well be that his vision is all a blur at those speeds,  but does that mean it was impossible to see it.  It looked quite prominent & 3 dimensional on TV

Hamilton for sure knows he got lucky & that was also freely admitted by Totto,  I guess a lot expectations are wrapped up in the upgrades for Barcelona.   

I was surprised at Vettel going for that move on cold(ish) & not optimised new tyres.

As to the Red Bull's modifying each other,  I haven't seen any stewards decision yet,  but for me Max made one too many changes of direction & Daniel had an adrenaline rush.

Re the Red Bull incident:   Stewards’ concluded that the incident “had its origins” in the two defensive moves made by Verstappen – both described as “relatively minor” – but that Ricciardo had also contributed after admitting he left his move to overtake on the left too late.   

Christian Horner said he is apportioning blame one way or another – they are both to blame - and it’s the team that's lost out,  Both will be visiting the factory to apologise to team staff.

I was just reading about it.   Apart from the Red Bull demolition derby boys,  if it does what's promised then I'm sure Mercedes will be happy.  The plan seems to be front wings will have a larger span & less winglet fiddly bits. The plan also includes  simplified front brake ducts with no winglets & a wider & deeper rear wing

Baku is on the borderline as far as I'm concerned.   For me all F1 street races are a bit odd;   grand national on a show jumping ring comes to mind.      Nothing wrong with street racing as such,  but an F1 car is the wrong tool for the job.

Huge posted:

So long as they don't do it in London, Paris or Rome, otherwise it'll be won by a taxi (all the pukka F1 cars are to fragile to go toe-to-toe with a London cabbie, and the ones in Paris and Rome are just loopy!).

Paris I’d bet on the bus drivers... once witnessed a bus driver drive straight into the back of a car because it was parked in a bus lane... deliberately and even though there was pleanty of space to pull out and drive around the car!

Eloise posted:
Huge posted:

So long as they don't do it in London, Paris or Rome, otherwise it'll be won by a taxi (all the pukka F1 cars are to fragile to go toe-to-toe with a London cabbie, and the ones in Paris and Rome are just loopy!).

Paris I’d bet on the bus drivers... once witnessed a bus driver drive straight into the back of a car because it was parked in a bus lane... deliberately and even though there was pleanty of space to pull out and drive around the car!

If that was in Liverpool the bus driver could have shouted “What a stupid place to park ricciardo!”

G

Eloise posted:
Mike-B posted:

Nothing wrong with street racing as such,  but an F1 car is the wrong tool for the job.

Surely nothing can beat the Birmingham (F3 as I recall) GP!

‘Formula E’ it’s being called...

Jaguar certainly seem ecstatic at the prospect.

G

I was out all yesterday but have it recorded to watch as & when, I've already seen the Grosgean incident (guilty as charged)   

I need to work out why the 2nd SV pitstop didn't work for them,  peeps in the know are telling me they thought Mercedes missed a trick on that one with Lewis on a 23 sec lead & under the safety car; so why did they not stop when Ferrari did but it did not work for them.

Question is was it just a coincidence with the FIA warning over exhaust blowing & the apparent loss of whatever with Ferrari.   2nd question was why LH was so much faster than VB when they were so close in practice & qualifying.

Mike-B posted:

I need to work out why the 2nd SV pitstop didn't work for them,  peeps in the know are telling me they thought Mercedes missed a trick on that one with Lewis on a 23 sec lead & under the safety car; so why did they not stop when Ferrari did but it did not work for them.

Surely just a question of tyre wear, Ferrari felt SV wouldn’t get to the end on those tyres, they also fell for Mercedes mechanics coming out perhaps - I suspect VB was told do whatever SV doesn’t.  Then Ferrari has a slow stop putting him behind MV too.

 

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