Help me pick a NAS

What is the purpose of the NAS - primary music store or backup?

If you want may one day want to run a renderer on the MM to feed Directly to a DAC, whether your present one or something else, and so reap the benefit not streaming files across a network with its attendant risk of degradation or other problems so frequesntly cropping up on this forum, then it would be better to keep the music stored on the MM itself - if you need more than you can fit internally it is best to use the Mac's Thunderbolt interface to connect external drives. 

As for a NAS for backup, virtually any NAS will do, subject to your own physical and noise constraints as well as capacity.

Yep I also recommend a TS-253A. I recently bought a Qnap TS-453A, a TS-253A with two more drive-bays. I choose ‘it’ because it has a much better Celeron processor than say an Atom or ARM processor so it has no problems running Kodi. And indeed, connected it to the TV through its (two) HDMI connections and Kodi plays everything very smoothly. Very happy. But the main reason I choose the TS-453 is that it can run the Roon core and I wanted to try out Roon. So I did. Stuck in a SSD, that is what they suggest to run the Roonserver data base on, and installed the Roon core part. Pointed Roon to where my music is stored and away it went. Connected an old Squeezebox touch to use as ‘End point’ and connected it to my Unitiqute. And I must say it ran like a charm. I was pretty impressed by Roon and the sound quality was very good.
spurrier sucks posted:

i have an external HDD connected to my Mac Mini running minimserver but I'm thinking about buying a NAS. Any suggestions on what to consider?

A cheap and effective Netgear Ready NAS 100 series is probably all you need with limited bling and very quiet operation. It also includes a respectable DLNA media server - basic but fully functional - and sounds very good indeed with delivering media to Naim streamers. 

The media server doesn't transcode however... but the less is more here might be helping with SQ

Mike-B posted:

Synology or QNAP is all you need consider.  

.........  I've just looked at Synology's model selection guide & am impressed on how it guides you through whatever suits you. There are 3 model ranges & sub-models grouped into basic, mid & business.  They all have a fan but please don't let that hold you back as in use I find mine to be effectively silent. You only need a 2 bay for basic audio (Synology comes with its own hybrid RAID-1 for 2 bay).     You need to add HDD's,  most peeps use WD Red's,  but other makes are out there & Seagate seems to be a good alternative. ,  the rest is a matter of your choice & your wallet.  

On the subject of transcoding;  Synology's own media server is very good & very easy to set up,  but it does a poor job with transcoding FLAC, ALAC etc.,  (promises of better to come with the frequent software updates)   Unless (like me) you have your music stored as WAV & DSD & you need not bother with transcoding,   Synology's come with 3rd party Minimserver & Java pre-installed & as you already are using Minimserver,  & it does an excellent transcoding job,  that makes sense.     

At the rare risk of disagreeing with S-in-S, I found the Netgear Ready NAS Duo a real pain. I did eventually get it working but it took time out of my life which I could have spent much better. The 100 series may be easier to set up.

I now use a Synology 212+ (a 2-bay model with Seagate drives) running Media Server. Compared with the Netgear, it is simple to set up and it generally works very well.

Another vote for Synology on the basis of simplicity.

I'm setting up a system for someone who has limited technical knowledge and have chosen a Synology D216j for that reason.  It's also cheap and it's quiet enough for that to not be a problem at all.  All the files will be WAVE or DSD.

I switched from a Netgear Ready NAS Duo to a Synology 213j and prefer it. I was also using a Netgear router and both Netgears were irritating. The Synology on the other hand has been much better and transcodes to WAV no problems. Having said that, if I were to start over, I'd just as likely buy a QNAP as these look great too.

Good topic as I'm also thinking about a NAS in the near future, but do I need a 2 bay one or would 1 bay suffice ? Currently I keep my music, ripped by iTunes (yes I know, wash my mouth out etc.) on a Win 10 PC with an external WD My Cloud HDD back up.  I also keep another back up on a separate laptop.  I run Minimserver on the PC.

My intention intitially would probably be to retain the current ripping / PC storage / back up system and copy stuff over to the NAS for streaming.  My main reason for the NAS is just to avoid having to fire up the PC all the time, although I appreciate there may be SQ advantages with a NAS.

Any thoughts on 1 bay vs 2 bay  ?  Trying to keep costs down.

Always get two bays. If you get a nas where you can hot swap drives, when one conks out you just take it out and replace it, and the music copies across from the healthy drive. This isn't a substitute for a proper backup, but makes life easier. My Qnap has a button on the front that does a differential backup to a USB portable drive, which lives in a drawer and comes out just for backups. It's all very easy. 

Both drives have the same files, assuming you set them up in Raid 1. You can put the backups where you want, but a USB drive (two actually) made sense for me. You can rip to the nas, but I don't, I rip to the PC, check the metadata and then copy the albums to the nas. I think it's because one downloads to the PC first, so I just do the same for CDs. 

I just replaced a synology 411j with a 416play and it is great.

very fast interface

minimserver runs fine

transcodes audio without fuss and can apparently transcode 4K video ( not yet tested this)

 

pleasingly fast at doing an additional backup of entire music library onto separate hdd for offsite storage via usb3

Borders Nick,

You mention that you might get a NAS and wish to keep costs down.

The WD My Cloud you already have is a NAS I believe, and you can stream directly over your network to the Superuniti. The installed streaming software is Twonky which I found works fine but gets slagged off on this forum.

You do not have to spend a fortune on multi-bay NAS, a WD My Cloud 2TB is less than £100. You can back this up to a portable USB drive - these are about £60 I think.

Toe posted:

Borders Nick,

You mention that you might get a NAS and wish to keep costs down.

The WD My Cloud you already have is a NAS I believe, and you can stream directly over your network to the Superuniti. The installed streaming software is Twonky which I found works fine but gets slagged off on this forum.

You do not have to spend a fortune on multi-bay NAS, a WD My Cloud 2TB is less than £100. You can back this up to a portable USB drive - these are about £60 I think.

Toe- thanks for that. My mistake,  it's a WD My Passport not My Cloud i.e. It's not a NAS.  I use and like Minimserver so probably will go with Synology.  A one bay will more than likely be fine for now. I think I've seen someone on here using a DS115J successfully.

If you can afford the extra, go for a 216J, not a lot more expensive, but a LOT quicker (for other tasks, on music playback neither breaks a sweat), it has a dual core processor so is happier doing other tasks at the same time as music playback, and it also provides room for expansion.

I have a 115j, but for someone else I'm installing a 216j:  The choice of that one is based on my experience.

I have a 216j and its been faultless and its pretty quiet. I have mine in the living room behind a cabinet and with the door closed, its pretty silent. 

After spending many thousands on Naim, spending a little extra for a much better Nas makes perfect sense!

Borders Nick posted:
Toe posted:

Borders Nick,

You mention that you might get a NAS and wish to keep costs down.

The WD My Cloud you already have is a NAS I believe, and you can stream directly over your network to the Superuniti. The installed streaming software is Twonky which I found works fine but gets slagged off on this forum.

You do not have to spend a fortune on multi-bay NAS, a WD My Cloud 2TB is less than £100. You can back this up to a portable USB drive - these are about £60 I think.

Toe- thanks for that. My mistake,  it's a WD My Passport not My Cloud i.e. It's not a NAS.  I use and like Minimserver so probably will go with Synology.  A one bay will more than likely be fine for now. I think I've seen someone on here using a DS115J successfully.

I also have a DS115, and it seems absolutely fine - I only bought it to back up my Unitiserve, but will also run Minimserver transcoding FLAC to WAV on the fly with no problem at all. 

After reading a lot on this forum about NASs and Asset UPnP (or Minimserver) in particularly the approach of Simon-In-Suffolk using a RaspberryPI as DLNA server for his NDX streamer. I'am wondering if a second RaspberryPI can function as a NAS perhaps with one or more SSD connected to it by its USB ports?

@Simon-in-Suffolk; You are using several different NASs connected by ethernet to the RaspberryPI, is there a difference in sound quality between them? Do you think using SSD in a NAS, and therefore eliminating the mechanical/rotating noise will enhance the sound quality further? Or is het pure the RaspberryPI that is responsible for "rebuilding the packages" and therefore the sound quality (of the NDX).

spurrier sucks posted:

i have an external HDD connected to my Mac Mini running minimserver but I'm thinking about buying a NAS. Any suggestions on what to consider?

I am a big fan of Synoloigy. I have a 1515+ 5 bay NAS with 18 TB net space.. Software and support is good, the device is very reliable and flexible, I use it for music as well as a backup device...  I have used other Synology products and they are all very solid.

Borders Nick posted:

Good topic as I'm also thinking about a NAS in the near future, but do I need a 2 bay one or would 1 bay suffice ? Currently I keep my music, ripped by iTunes (yes I know, wash my mouth out etc.) on a Win 10 PC with an external WD My Cloud HDD back up.  I also keep another back up on a separate laptop.  I run Minimserver on the PC.

My intention intitially would probably be to retain the current ripping / PC storage / back up system and copy stuff over to the NAS for streaming.  My main reason for the NAS is just to avoid having to fire up the PC all the time, although I appreciate there may be SQ advantages with a NAS.

Any thoughts on 1 bay vs 2 bay  ?  Trying to keep costs down.

I would always go 2 bay and mirror the drives at minimum... Hard disks fail, I have 9TB of music, I would not want to lose that.

DUPREE posted:

I would always go 2 bay and mirror the drives at minimum... Hard disks fail, I have 9TB of music, I would not want to lose that.

A NAS enclosure is just as likely to fail as the HDDs (and can take all the disks with it) - mirroring won't help one iota in that circumstance.

Use the money you'd have spent on the extra disk(s) to buy a proper backup device.

Huge,

I completely agree with you that a 'proper' external backup is essential.

However, if you can afford the cost of the extra disk, then mirroring does have some advantages in the event that a single disk fails, although this has never actually happened to me so far.

I recently did have a (Synology) NAS enclosure failure. When this happens, then the only way forward is to buy a new NAS enclosure. However, I was able to simply slot my old (mirrored) drives into my new Synology NAS, and was up and running again almost immediately. No need to use my external backup drive which is updated every few weeks and stored off-site by my brother.  

You may feel that mirroring is over the top and not cost effective, but it does have some advantages in the rare event that a single hard drive fails.

I agree, The NAS provides a lot of utility and redundancy. Synology has a lot of backup and cloud options. QNAP as well. This goes well above and beyond what just raw hard disk drives can do. I am personally very partial to Synology and their DSM OS, but QNAP is a nice device that many like. Take a look at the large number of capabilities both these guys have in addition of UpNP that can help with Photos, media, computer backup etc. I think they both provide an excelent value

I would add one thing in favour of Synology, although in fairness, QNAP may be equally good in this respect.

When I recently encountered a problem with my Synology NAS that turned out to be a NAS motherboard problem, the Synology support team members I spoke to (based in the UK and so easy to call directly) were absolutely outstanding.  They were both very  knowledgeable and extremely helpful.

That in itself, in my book, is very worthy of a recommendation.

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