Hugo 2

Hugo 2 just been announced, it now has 49,000 Taps and a 10 E pulse array DAC.

Also interesting is that is had adjustable filter settings, with Hugo and Mojo voice of settings, very smart, a good upgrade path for Mojo owners.

Hugo 2 is now chargeable by USB rather than wall wart.

I wonder though how much better it sounds compared to Hugo..... Not sure it will be that much though. 

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musicnuttyboy posted:
Emre posted:

it may sound just like Dave   nooo just kidding.... not to worry analog...

But Emre.................Dave2 could well be just around the corner and what then for analogmusic and his new friend?!

Well, Blu 2 as a transport for Dave has been announced too.

that is a 8000 GBP CD transport for Dave.

But it has some massive FPGA that can decode with a million tap filter (Rob Watts ultimate objective). Hugo 2 now has 49000 taps, and Dave has 168,000 taps.

 

 

Emre posted:

it may sound just like Dave   nooo just kidding.... not to worry analog...

Oh I'm not worried about that.

Tidal just released the MQA update and listening to some 24 bit albums on my Macbook pro with MQA, if this is the future of music, we are living in exciting times.

Richard Dane posted:

I've just read through the blurb and specs and I notice that the quoted battery running time has dropped rather alarmingly from 12 hours to just 7.  Could this be an error?

I noticed that the headphone output stage is described as "Class A". I am not sure if the Hugo was class A but this could be one of the reason along with higher tap count and consumption coming from illuminating the additional buttons.

It isn't an error, it was expected when they changed the FPGA and increased sound quality as Hugo 2 has more processing power then Hugo 1.

However it can be charged by USB, unlike Hugo 1.

Personally I am curious about Hugo 2, but Hugo 1 to me (after hearing the full range from Mojo, Hugo, Hugo TT and Dave) remains for me personally an outstanding performer at the price.

I don't have my Hugo 1 anymore, but not sure I would rush out and buy a Hugo 2 and sell my Hugo 1 for it.

I wonder if Chord will cease production of the Hugo 1?

I am looking forward to the 2 and hope there is a distinct SQ lift from the 1, as have not wanted to stretch to a TT or DAVE (least not till my children are off the payroll). I have been itching to move my Hugo from the main system to a study system where its excellent variable volume output could tame the Nait 2's meagre usable line volume range.

 

Emre posted:

it may sound just like Dave   

I do hope not! As it happens I'm currently using a forum member's Hugo in my system. Having tried DAVE a couple of times at home, I definitely prefer Hugo. The comparison with my QBD76HDSD is interesting; the latter has a shade more PRaT but the Hugo is more detailed. I marginally prefer the former, but if I had a Hugo I'd be sticking with it.

Hmmm interesting remarks Tony.

I demonstrated Dave vs Hugo to a friend of mine and when I removed Dave and put Hugo, the look on his face said it all, which he confirmed verbally, "Dave is much better"

As good as Hugo is, (and it is extremely good), Dave is better.

Of course your mileage varies, it is ok, we don't have the same speakers, amp, cables, source, room, ears and taste.

Clearly the HUGO 2 is an exciting product and appears to be a significant advance in technology over the original.

The question for me is where does this leave the TT?  Bearing in mind the TT is based on the original HUGO, it now looks somewhat out of date and I can't imagine anyone buying one until the inevitable TT 2 arrives. I'm surprised TT 2 wasn't launched at the same time!

Agreed the original HUGO and TT are as you say extremely good.

However with the leap in technology of the HUGO 2, it's highly likely it will surpasses TT in SQ terms and at a significantly lower price point. HUGO 2 even has a remote making it much more attractive for those wishing to use it in a home based system.

I suspect a TT 2 isn't far away as I would suggest TT sales will stop dead from today.

 

When comparing the Chord DACs, or any other bits of kit for that matter, folk really must not be too swayed by technical specifications. It really must be about the sound, in your own system. My experience with DAVE vs. QBD76HDSD wasn't just down to some strange hearing anomaly on my part - some very distinguished forum members felt the same, having listened to both in my system and without the dubious benefit of my own opinion.

tonym posted:

When comparing the Chord DACs, or any other bits of kit for that matter, folk really must not be too swayed by technical specifications. It really must be about the sound, in your own system. 

We'll have none of that sensible talk here Tony !

analogmusic posted:

"Chord has also improved the battery life with the Hugo 2, increasing it to 14 hours"

 

Where did that quote come from?  If true, it's good news, but Chord need to clean up their copy as it's down as 7 hours on the Hugo 2 product page on their website.

My own Hugo hasn't got anywhere near to running out of juice yet between charges, but 7 hours is quite a drop and about as much as I get from the Pono Player.

tonym posted:

When comparing the Chord DACs, or any other bits of kit for that matter, folk really must not be too swayed by technical specifications. It really must be about the sound, in your own system. My experience with DAVE vs. QBD76HDSD wasn't just down to some strange hearing anomaly on my part - some very distinguished forum members felt the same, having listened to both in my system and without the dubious benefit of my own opinion.

Hi Tony, in your active system, is it possible you have the Snaxo tweaked to suit the QBD76?  Dave might be a bit more "forthright" at the top end compared to QBD76, or put another way, the QBD76 might be a bit warmer sounding, and your system is tuned around this?

Hugo 2 is very interesting and Chord definitely aren't resting on their laurels and seem to be charging ahead DAC wise  . It seems that Hugo 2 is almost twice as powerful as the original which is mightily impressive given its size . I'm not sure I'll swap my original as its still putting a smile on my face but you never know .... Hugo 2 tech in a steamer or streamer/pre would have my attention though .  2017 looks to be starting strongly in DAC terms and I really hope Naim joins in . 

If Chord launch the Hugo TT 2, I hope they would omit the headphone amp and all headphone related features. They already have the Hugo 2 for this purpose. Just make the TT 2 a good standalone DAC preamplifier that will sound noticeably different from the Hugo 2. If differences are marginal, it makes little sense.

It would be interesting to compare the original Hugo to the Hugo 2 to see if the differences are tangible and real. At this level, I suspect it won't be day and night.

Allan Probin posted:
tonym posted:

When comparing the Chord DACs, or any other bits of kit for that matter, folk really must not be too swayed by technical specifications. It really must be about the sound, in your own system. My experience with DAVE vs. QBD76HDSD wasn't just down to some strange hearing anomaly on my part - some very distinguished forum members felt the same, having listened to both in my system and without the dubious benefit of my own opinion.

Hi Tony, in your active system, is it possible you have the Snaxo tweaked to suit the QBD76?  Dave might be a bit more "forthright" at the top end compared to QBD76, or put another way, the QBD76 might be a bit warmer sounding, and your system is tuned around this?

Hi Allan, the SNAXO is set for all sources, and its setting predates the Chord DAC. You wouldn't set up a SNAXO to suit just one source, it'd be impractical. 

Paulebarrow posted:

Clearly the HUGO 2 is an exciting product and appears to be a significant advance in technology over the original.

The question for me is where does this leave the TT?  Bearing in mind the TT is based on the original HUGO, it now looks somewhat out of date and I can't imagine anyone buying one until the inevitable TT 2 arrives. I'm surprised TT 2 wasn't launched at the same time!

Feel a bit bad. Sold my Hugo TT last night

What is more interesting to me is Chord is entering the upnp streaming game with this mojo partner product Poly and I read in whathifi's report that the hugo2 is designed to with provision to work with a future product which I am guessing it will be a networked streaming module to be attached on the USB side of the Hugo2's casing.

engjoo posted:
Richard Dane posted:

I've just read through the blurb and specs and I notice that the quoted battery running time has dropped rather alarmingly from 12 hours to just 7.  Could this be an error?

I noticed that the headphone output stage is described as "Class A". I am not sure if the Hugo was class A but this could be one of the reason along with higher tap count and consumption coming from illuminating the additional buttons.

Hi - yes the Hugo has a class A output driver. Running a larger filter kernel (more 'taps') will require more processing power for the reconstruction filter - now I am sure the latest Hugo is using the latest and best from Xilinx for the FPGA DSP processor - but even increasing kernel size  is going to consume more power. Traditionally power consumption and its side effects has been one of the  limiting function of the sizes of filter kernels used in DAC  FIR reconstruction  filters

engjoo posted:
joe9407 posted:

i'm curious if Hugo 2's USB input is galvanically isolated, as is the case with 2Qute and Hugo TT.

If it does not say, it means no. I suspect Chord leaving some of this better bits for the "TT2".

If not then I really don't see the point of it as Mojo already does a great job for portable duties. Not having galvanic isolation means it's not really fit for purpose for home\main system duties.

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