I left Naim... and I can't work out whether I'm happy.

Innocent Bystander posted:

The Devialets have the advantage of small occupied volume and sleekness, with a great remote. 

They also sound great, don't hum or hiss and are consistent in performance which makes ownership a pleasure. I can't see me moving mine on yet, maybe an upgrade to the next model up if i get bored but 3 years on it's still doing the business for me. 

Hmm - this thread got me wondering about the new 220 and after looking at the upgrade price for mine to take it to 220 Pro level (effectively i get a brand new unit with the capability to go dual mono later or active) it's rather attractive. Just to be 100% sure  i'm going to see if i can get a quick audition of a 272/250 just to see if Naim has moved the game on at this level. 

james n posted:

Hmm - this thread got me wondering about the new 220 and after looking at the upgrade price for mine to take it to 220 Pro level (effectively i get a brand new unit with the capability to go dual mono later or active) it's rather attractive. Just to be 100% sure  i'm going to see if i can get a quick audition of a 272/250 just to see if Naim has moved the game on at this level. 

James - please post your findings. It will be very interesting to read such a direct comparison.

I listened to the 272/250 vs the 220 pro during an extended day demo the other day. I would say the 220 is quite a bit clearer, and more articulate with a better soundstage. SAM also allows a deeper and fuller bass. 

If i had the money I would have walked away with the 220, no question, but I don't and I had an existing NAP, so I walked away with the 272. 

That said I'd be hugely interested to know what the 272 would sound like with an XP5 or XPS as I've previously heard huge increases in clarity with separate power supplies. 

When I first saw a bevel head Ducati (they were still a current model at the time) it looked like one weird motorcycle but after riding one it starting looking pretty damn good, unfortuneately it was also distinctly high maintenance. If it goes right it will look right but won't necessarily be easy to live with. Come to think of it I've made the same mistake more than once.

Do Devialets hold their value second hand? That's often a good sign.

Devialet sounds very impressive but if you listen long enough (f.ex. min. 1 week) you'll find the music exact, transparent but without any emotion and without a soul....I sold my Devialet after 2months (running it with B&W). Check the use-market to see what I'm talking about! (But I'm fully ok with people who like the sound!).

Again my tip: listen for it LONG enough!

james n posted:
Halloween Man posted:

From what I can understand of their technology the end product (sound quality) must be extremely processed, far from the transparent and pure signal path they claim.

What 'processing' are they doing ?

Don't they convert all analog inputs to digital and then from digital back to analog? They claim to have the best DAC (they don't) and the shortest path, 5cm, from DAC to speaker terminal (they don't).

 

Halloween Man posted:
james n posted:
Halloween Man posted:

From what I can understand of their technology the end product (sound quality) must be extremely processed, far from the transparent and pure signal path they claim.

What 'processing' are they doing ?

Don't they convert all analog inputs to digital and then from digital back to analog? They claim to have the best DAC (they don't) and the shortest path, 5cm, from DAC to speaker terminal (they don't).

 

Yes they convert analogue inputs to digital (handy as you can do RIAA correction in the digital domain). Not a lot of use to me as i only use digital sources so it's a nice straight path. Marketing can contain a lot of rubbish but it's the end result that counts and that works for me. 

Guys - stop being so aggressively partisan (it's like listening to a bunch of Trump supporters). 

Naim is fantastic. Devialet are fantastic. 

I had my D120 for quite a long time and I didn't bond with it. I exchanged it for a 272 which I'm running with a 150x and I'd heard with a 250.2. It's a stunning combo and the 272 is a very impressive bit of Naim kit. 

IMHO, the new Devialet expert pro range are quite a significant jump from their old expert range, and I've spent a lot of time listening to the new d220 pro alongside the 272. It's better. Hands down. Pace, rhythm, timing, emotion. But that's fine - it's more expensive. It's a wonderful bit of kit and devialet have done an awesome job. 

But im sticking with my 272/150x as I think, for me, it's better VFM. 

Just because naim are great, doesn't mean all competitors are lying, marketing-hype driven charlatans!

Relax, have a drink, listen to some music!   

sjw98 posted:

Guys - stop being so aggressively partisan (it's like listening to a bunch of Trump supporters).

Its evident that the Russians are supporting Devialet using their secret service. Naim - contrary to Devialet - has customer service, a recap now and then and Naim would win hands down against the Devialet in the long run.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Why would you build a quality phono stage into a product and then promptly covert the signal to digital and back again?

It gives you a very flexible stage - MM or MC, programmable cartridge loading by configuration file and then after conversion to digital the RIAA correction is all done in the digital domain. I think you can also use it to record Vinyl too via the USB output for archiving. 

There is nothing wrong with modern digital when done well. Assuming Devialet does it well then the listener should perceive no difference, and still hear the flawed sound from the vinyl disk as if it had been analogue throughout. That, of course, is the significant assumption, in terms of both the A/D and D/A stages.

I have contemplated adding an A/D converter to my system to play analogue things through Dave, which feeds my power amp direct (such use primarily for musical musical instrument playing) - but until or unless I find an affordable one with effectively zero latency I am retaining my old preamp to swap with Dave when needed (or rather, I plan to change to balanced connections between Dave and power amp, and use the amp's balanced/unbalanced swirches to change over).

Dan.S posted:

Heard the D120 (hooked to an Intel NUC) and directly compared it against my SU. Better everything. Hands down.

I can easily see a D130Pro in my future. Then again, I can see a 272&250DR with even more ease.

I agree, considering the new Uniti Nova look that I do not like at all I would do a step in Devialet with the new line Pro

For analog sources I wouldn't look at Devialet at all, it destroys transparency/sound quality by converting to digital. For digital only sources a DAC with volume control such as V1, 272, or Hugo TT direct to active speakers such as ATC SCM19A  (correctly resolves the issues Deviatlet's Sam software processing attempts to correct) or power amp such as 250DR would offer better transparency/sound quality and value for money imo.

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