If you have a Naim NDS what Ethernet wire do you use?

greekspec2 posted:
musicfan51 posted:
nigelb posted:
musicfan51 posted:

Is there any sound quality advantage to go all Vodka Ethernet cables from NAS and my HDX to switch instead of my current setup of AQ Cinnamon Ethernet to switch and Vodka from the switch to NDS?  Too much of a good thing maybe ?  Anybody have that setup ? 

I went from all Cinnamon to Vodka between switch and NDS and Vodka between switch and UnitiServe which is the equivalent arrangement to that you describe. I prefer this to the Cinnamon at these two links but I know that some prefer to mix cables at these points.

Nigelb, what % of improvement did you get  you think from Untiserve to switch by going Vodka?  is it worthwhile in your view? I wonder if if it better to go all AQ Vodka or stay Cinnamon to switch then Vodka to NDS?  Then I guess,  money wise you can consider Diamond from Switch to NDS and Cinnamon from Unitiserve to switch. Hmmm. I am listening to the Vodka Ethernet cable today I put in Monday . Still liking the difference. But want to make sure, so not ordering anything till Next Monday just to make sure I like the difference! 

I would stick with the Vodka if I were you, for me I found the Diamond to do everything I wanted but since Vertere makes SuperLumina for Naim I will most likely keep it over AQ for the Naim sonic sound

Greekspec2, what differences did you hear between Vodka and Diamond ? 

musicfan51 posted:
greekspec2 posted:

Im not the best at describing, but it had the most detailed and live sound to my ears with zero run time on the Diamond

I wonder if the Diamond Ethernet cable is a better match with Naim than the Vodka? 

Are you going to keep it? 

musicfan51 posted:
greekspec2 posted:

Im not the best at describing, but it had the most detailed and live sound to my ears with zero run time on the Diamond

I wonder if the Diamond Ethernet cable is a better match with Naim than the Vodka? 

Nope, they sound same from PRAT & match point of view.

Gandalf_fi posted:
musicfan51 posted:
greekspec2 posted:

Im not the best at describing, but it had the most detailed and live sound to my ears with zero run time on the Diamond

I wonder if the Diamond Ethernet cable is a better match with Naim than the Vodka? 

Nope, they sound same from PRAT & match point of view.

Ok thank you for your reply Gandalf_fi. 

greekspec2 posted:

They sound similar with way more with the Vodka from my ears

The Diamond sounds the same as Vodka only with more detail is that what your reply says Greekspec2?  Thanks. Well,  I guess the one last thing we all want to know is your comparison of the Vertere vs the AQ Diamond. Let us know when you get the Vertere and your impressions!   Very curious to your findings. Wonder if I could find an AQ dealer who would offer me a discount on a Diamond Ethernet cable like you did? 

musicfan51 posted:
greekspec2 posted:

They sound similar with way more with the Vodka from my ears

The Diamond sounds the same as Vodka only with more detail is that what your reply says Greekspec2?  Thanks. Well,  I guess the one last thing we all want to know is your comparison of the Vertere vs the AQ Diamond. Let us know when you get the Vertere and your impressions!   Very curious to your findings. Wonder if I could find an AQ dealler who would offer me a discount on a Diamond Ethernet cable like you did? 

I thought the Diamond sounded the best and worth the extra money, but Vertere is the closest thing to a Naim cable so I hope.

greekspec2 posted:
musicfan51 posted:
greekspec2 posted:

They sound similar with way more with the Vodka from my ears

The Diamond sounds the same as Vodka only with more detail is that what your reply says Greekspec2?  Thanks. Well,  I guess the one last thing we all want to know is your comparison of the Vertere vs the AQ Diamond. Let us know when you get the Vertere and your impressions!   Very curious to your findings. Wonder if I could find an AQ dealler who would offer me a discount on a Diamond Ethernet cable like you did? 

I thought the Diamond sounded the best and worth the extra money, but Vertere is the closest thing to a Naim cable so I hope.

In theory yes! Talked to an AQ rep just now! He recommended all AQ Vodka instead of Cinnamon and Diamond combo! Course Diamond & Vodka combo would be better but performance per dollar all Vodka is best SQ value wise! 

greekspec2 posted:

Greekspec2, thanks for the article! Good read.

The AQ Vodka Ethernet I put in Monday sounds so much better today than it did early in the week. I guess they really do burn in.  I feel I am getting much more detail out of my Naim NDS now. First few days I felt the flow was not that great but that has changed with burn in. 

Interesting the amount of activity on this thread but It makes me wonder this:

If the benefit of upmarket ethernet cables isn't due to superior data transmission but instead due to isolation from artefacts (RFI etc) that degrade the performance of the streamer, wouldn't therefore, the best performance be achieved by removing the ethernet lead altogether and simply playing from a USB thumb drive? 

I use a thumb drive for music I haven't committed to adding to my NAS server and I can't say I've ever felt there was a great performance difference between the two but I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on this. Having said that, when I replaced a generic CAT5 cable with an Audioquest Cinnamon, I believed I could hear an obvious improvement :-/

-goat- posted:
 

..................... wouldn't therefore, the best performance be achieved by removing the ethernet lead altogether and simply playing from a USB thumb drive? 

Agreed,  I've advised on various streaming threads to use a USB as a means of benchmarking & trouble shooting. This is normally used with problem wireless or EoP (HomePlugs) systems,   not with all wired NAS-Switch-Player networks & not when experimenting with different ethernet cables in an already robust home network 

There's still the possibility of interference arising from a USB stick, even though it's likely to be less than form an Ethernet link.

Different USB sticks have different internal memory access patterns, different clock frequencies, different pulse rise/fall times and different peak current demands; all of these can cause variance of the interference through the power supplies.

Had a good chat with my dealer and I am now £200 lighter! I went for a netgear switch £25 and 4 chord c stream Ethernet cables  (1 from NDS to box that connects  cat 5 or 6 to another box upstairs then 1 to my 2 nas's and one from the switch to unitiserve) 

I find it hard to recall A v B demo wise as I switched everything off to connect it all up and may have lost a tiny bit of performance in the process. 

That  said now fully warmed up again the music does seem to flow a little bit better with a slight improvement in the separation of instruments. 

Is it night and day, no, but in the context of an expensive system I don't regret the outlay for the small gains I have experienced.

Thanks to all that posted their experiences, very helpful.

Gary

I found the difference between a CAT5e and AQ Cinnamon obvious. Putting in network isolation via a short optical network has been a cheap and excellent upgrade, and additive to the network cable upgrade. I would say this has been even greater, however, I think it is simply allowing other components to shine by getting rid of noise.

M

Mr Underhill posted:

I found the difference between a CAT5e and AQ Cinnamon obvious. Putting in network isolation via a short optical network has been a cheap and excellent upgrade, and additive to the network cable upgrade. I would say this has been even greater, however, I think it is simply allowing other components to shine by getting rid of noise.

M

Mr. Underhill, that was my experience too! AQ Cinnamon was an obvious upgrade, sound quality wise, over Cat5e. Good to know you had the same experience. 

Hi Musicfan51,

I am turning into a bit of a proselytizer but I would urge you to try a pair of RJ45>optical 10/100 FMCs, with LPSU on the NDS side of the bridge. I found the advantages of this signal cleaning additive to the AQ network cable .....and at the same price at the Cinnamon.  I did a demo to a friend this morning with the AQ from the TP-Link switch vs the bridge, he immediately picked the differences.

If you are within striking distance of Sarf London your welcome to pop round!

M

I'm hoping my dealer will lend me a short length of Vodka so I can experiment with optical between the switch and the NDS. If I'm convinced of its merits then I'll get AQ to cut and reterminate my 5 metre Vodka to accommodate the new kit. Then, I suppose a couple iFi power supplies will be needed. I wonder what voltage the Tp-Link boxes need?

mine will be catholic marriage, i can not return the vodka if i don't like it. 

As far i understand from this topic, vodka is an upgrade vs other AQ cables where jump from Vodka to Diamond is less evident.... Vodka is sort of hi end sweet spot ( i can not believe than i am saying this - hifi hobby destroyed my money perception )  

Emre posted:

mine will be catholic marriage, i can not return the vodka if i don't like it. 

As far i understand from this topic, vodka is an upgrade vs other AQ cables where jump from Vodka to Diamond is less evident.... Vodka is sort of hi end sweet spot ( i can not believe than i am saying this - hifi hobby destroyed my money perception )  

I think you can buy the bottom of the line Pearl on a spool, custom lengths for long runs like you have! It is suppose to be superior to regular cat7. That might be worth a look if you have a 20 meter run!  The Vodka Ethernet cable  was a noticeable upgrade from Cinnamon. And Cinnamon was a noticeable upgrade from Cat5e. That is my experience. What Naim streamer are you using ? 

Emre posted:

mine will be catholic marriage, i can not return the vodka if i don't like it. 

As far i understand from this topic, vodka is an upgrade vs other AQ cables where jump from Vodka to Diamond is less evident.... Vodka is sort of hi end sweet spot ( i can not believe than i am saying this - hifi hobby destroyed my money perception )  

Good luck Emre! 

Emre posted:

i dont argue about effect of good hdmi cable on picture quality but i will argue the ethernet cable is making picture quality better for netflix....

Why do you say this... all these cables are doing is minimising RF loading and crosstalk with certain connected, typically cheap consumer, network devices. It's these effects that couple into clocks and ultimately analogue levels and voltages. What happens with sound equally happens with vision or any potentially other device interacting with our senses.

 

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