In praise of 272/250DR

I've been listening to new loudspeaker options recently. Mainly to check that my Shahinian's are fully revealing the wonders of my new NDS/552DR/500DR system. Many interesting auditions, but the reason for this thread is to say how impressed I was by the most recent audition. Naturally, I was hoping to have my own system in the chain, but not so many retailers always have it available and 272/250DR was the best available at this last one on Monday this week. 

Initial fears that 272/250 wouldn't be good enough to reveal the differences between the various speaker options were compounded when the dealers own streaming system kept dropping out, necessitating using Tidal as the source. Those fears proved completely unfounded as speaker differences were amply highlighted by this system and I have to say that 272/250 really is IMO TREMENDOUSLY good for the money. More than that, it's an outright high end system. Really, Very impressed.

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Indeed FT, though I do find 150s  quite sensitive to rooms .. they appear to easily over power some rooms with a too dominant bass loosing some apparent speed. In a large room with plenty of space they work well.

Agree for a hybrid the N272 is very good.. certainly if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp it's a very enticing option... I just wish it could let you SPDIF loop out and in to a third party DAC and DSP  if you wanted to.

My next upgrade later this year was to try the XPS2 DR on my 272/100, may try the 250DR first not sure what would be the biggest bang for buck..

Currently the 100 drives my Proac Tablette 10 with ease and sounds amazing for my room but by the reports of others the 272/250DR is a magic combo and most could easily live with this.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Agree for a hybrid the N272 is very good.. certainly if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp it's a very enticing option... 

I love this damning with faint praise 'for a hybrid'. The 272 is simply very good per se. The idea of settling for it 'if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp' doesn't really make sense. I've heard an NDX/282 and didn't think it was any better, and I'd take a 272 over a 252 any day. I've owned a 552/300 and while of course it's better, the 272/250 isn't actually that far behind given the size of the price difference. I certainly don't feel I'm settling for second best - the 272 is simply bloody good, and a fantastic bargain. 

Hungryhalibut posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Agree for a hybrid the N272 is very good.. certainly if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp it's a very enticing option... 

I love this damning with faint praise 'for a hybrid'. The 272 is simply very good per se. The idea of settling for it 'if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp' doesn't really make sense. I've heard an NDX/282 and didn't think it was any better, and I'd take a 272 over a 252 any day. I've owned a 552/300 and while of course it's better, the 272/250 isn't actually that far behind given the size of the price difference. I certainly don't feel I'm settling for second best - the 272 is simply bloody good, and a fantastic bargain. 

Well said that man too! I'm struggling to even justify putting an XPSDR in as it is so well balanced with 250DR & S400.

G

All I'd say on that one Graeme, is that with an XPS and SL leads in place, the 'basic' 272/250 moves to a different level. It's well worth checking out at some point. My setup sounds extraordinarily good, way beyond my expectations when I bought the two boxes nearly two years ago, and I'm enjoying listening to music more than I have for years. 

My local dealer has an old 250.2 for sale in good condition and will offer a good deal with a trade in for my 100, cost to upgrade to DR status is around 1200 (plus amp trade in) including service but still far cheaper then new so may start the ball rolling. 

The new Proac tablettes are a wonderful speaker and I know were you are coming from with the Kans with bigger amp, mind you just listening to Temple of the dog in a tribute to Chris Cornell and the 100 is no slouch

HiFiman posted:

My local dealer has an old 250.2 for sale in good condition and will offer a good deal with a trade in for my 100, cost to upgrade to DR status is around 1200 (plus amp trade in) including service but still far cheaper then new so may start the ball rolling. 

The new Proac tablettes are a wonderful speaker and I know were you are coming from with the Kans with bigger amp, mind you just listening to Temple of the dog in a tribute to Chris Cornell and the 100 is no slouch

The 250.2 wasn't as enjoyable to my ears as the more nimble 200.  I'd say save and go straight to 250DR as it truly is transformational.

G

I took what might be looked at as a bizarre step by some but had a crazy offer for my olive 52 & cb 250 to be replaced by 272, XPS DR & 250 DR. I wasn't totally sold on the streaming option but after demo'ing & having Tidal trial I was convinced (again given the less than great Tidal comments) to take the deal. I have ripped my CD collection and this works very well with the 272. The system has been in place for about a month now and gets better day by day. The sound (the important bit) works for my ears. Yes, there is always the Naim fear of " am I missing further nuances from the 52?" but  I really don't think my ears are now tuned enough to notice any significant difference to justify spending what would be a chunk more money. A very happy man here.  

272/250DR here, got first deliveries back when. Feeding Sopra 2 with Melco N1A providing the 24bit files in Direct Stream mode. NACA5, but might try TQ black or black ultra next SC and IC, tried SL didn't feel the force really. Might play silly and try some stillpoints next.

Dan43 posted:

272/250DR here, got first deliveries back when. Feeding Sopra 2 with Melco N1A providing the 24bit files in Direct Stream mode. NACA5, but might try TQ black or black ultra next SC and IC, tried SL didn't feel the force really. Might play silly and try some stillpoints next.

Do you have the system on a Fraim Dan? I don't know how much of the magic I heard was due to the boxes being on Fraim, but maybe worth trying if your wallet has itchy fingers..

TQ Blue speaker cable was in use during my demo. Sounded good.

Hungryhalibut posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Agree for a hybrid the N272 is very good.. certainly if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp it's a very enticing option... 

I love this damning with faint praise 'for a hybrid'. The 272 is simply very good per se. The idea of settling for it 'if you don't want or need the performance of a dedicated Naim preamp' doesn't really make sense. I've heard an NDX/282 and didn't think it was any better, and I'd take a 272 over a 252 any day. I've owned a 552/300 and while of course it's better, the 272/250 isn't actually that far behind given the size of the price difference. I certainly don't feel I'm settling for second best - the 272 is simply bloody good, and a fantastic bargain. 

I agree.  A good few years ago, I ran monobloc power amps, but my 250DR is much better, not just better 'for a two-channel amplifier'.  Surely what matters is the enjoyment you get from your system rather than what components are found in each box?  After decades of purchasing and listening to hifi, I derive more pleasure and listen more often to my current system than any I have had before.

This gives me an opportunity to thank Nigel for his early advocacy for the 272/250DR as this led me to audition and ultimately buy this great pair of boxes.  It's made me very happy.

Roger

Chris Bell posted:

If I were ever to downgrade (and I have thought about it) I'd do the 272/250DR combo.  Simple two box hi-fi solution.  

Nothing personal Chris, but it's extraordinary how many people consider 272/250DR a two box solution when it still needs a source.

I mean, either one has all his music on a NAS, a USB drive, a Mac or a PC, or whatever, with just 272/250DR he won't hear a single note.

I have a CDX2 and a Supernait. This is a two box solution.

My kindest regards

M

Max_B posted:
Chris Bell posted:

If I were ever to downgrade (and I have thought about it) I'd do the 272/250DR combo.  Simple two box hi-fi solution.  

Nothing personal Chris, but it's extraordinary how many people consider 272/250DR a two box solution when it still needs a source.

I mean, either one has all his music on a NAS, a USB drive, a Mac or a PC, or whatever, with just 272/250DR he won't hear a single note.

I have a CDX2 and a Supernait. This is a two box solution.

My kindest regards

M

Rather bizarre reasoning....

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