Kudos 707

Now that the Titan 707’s have been out for awhile i would be interested in how the owners are liking them. I have heard the Titan 88’s many times and like them. Wondering how The 707’s compare. I am currently running Ovator S600’s in a NDS/552DR/500DR system with Chord Music cables.

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Intersting point.

A few days ago i auditioned T808 at the new Italian distributor (ex Naim)

In  the context of a totally different  not Naim  system (Klimo power amp, AVM source) and of much lower level of my 500 one  i was a bit confused. 

Regards

Roberto

JN was an early adopter of the Titan T88 speaker for his Naim 500 series system and really liked them...

... until he tried the Titan 707 in his system.

He is now a very happy owner of Kudos Titan 707 speakers on the end of his 500 series system.

This may answer your question 

Best regards, FT

Hi Jonas,

Yep, there are some similarities - even down to the Sonority shelves. I couldn’t fit the 808s in my listening room and I’m not yet sure if the 707s will fit either. I was planning to arrange a trip to Leicester to do a comparison between 707s and 606s, either way it’ll be with a Music loom.

As an aside, have you listened to a Katalyst KDS? I think you’d find it interesting.

Dave J posted:

Have you heard them yet, Chris?

Yes. I heard the production version last week at Cymbiosis. We were listening to Titan 808s on a 552/500 system and Peter brought in the 606s to replace the 808s.

I was told later that I was like a child in a sweetshop - which sounds about right. 

Not so sure that the 707 is a hands-down improvement over the T-88. The T-88's separate bass enclosure brings a lot to the party... The room will probably be the main variable between the two I would think. Have not heard the 707 so I may be totally wrong Would be nice to hear some more direct comparisons though ...

ATB,

Mark

Chris Dolan posted:
Dave J posted:

Have you heard them yet, Chris?

Yes. I heard the production version last week at Cymbiosis. We were listening to Titan 808s on a 552/500 system and Peter brought in the 606s to replace the 808s.

I was told later that I was like a child in a sweetshop - which sounds about right. 

Hey, don’t stop there! What did you think of them? Do they share any of the same character?

I have also heard the Titan range at Cymbiosis 808 707 606, personally the T808 at the best speaker I have ever had the pleasure of listening too, Peter had a demo day last year with DS Linn Climax amps and T808 - the musical stage from the T808 was outstanding

they also had the T707 on Demo which were also supberb, i have to say I dont like the look of them as much as the T808 T606

went in a few weeks ago and the new T606 were on demo, slightly smaller than the T707 but another wow moment - they were warming up but boy, mentioned this to Chris when he was there with Ray on Ray's LP12 mission last week

if budget and space no issue T808 with out question, but I would put the T707 and T606 against each other, I do prefer the T606 on demo

as my music room is small, I am hoping the smaller 505 when realeased are on par which I am sure they will be,

I am taking my 300 back at the end of the month to be sent of for DR & Service, I am hoping the 606 are still playing for another chance to listen

Dave J posted:

And how do they compare to your S20s?

Well I have since suggested to my wife that she does not really need to replace her car this year as we were intending. The immediate response was "You bought something last week in Leicester didn't you?" I assured her that I had not 

antony d posted:

I have also heard the Titan range at Cymbiosis 808 707 606, personally the T808 at the best speaker I have ever had the pleasure of listening too, Peter had a demo day last year with DS Linn Climax amps and T808 - the musical stage from the T808 was outstanding

they also had the T707 on Demo which were also supberb, i have to say I dont like the look of them as much as the T808 T606

went in a few weeks ago and the new T606 were on demo, slightly smaller than the T707 but another wow moment - they were warming up but boy, mentioned this to Chris when he was there with Ray on Ray's LP12 mission last week

if budget and space no issue T808 with out question, but I would put the T707 and T606 against each other, I do prefer the T606 on demo

as my music room is small, I am hoping the smaller 505 when realeased are on par which I am sure they will be,

I am taking my 300 back at the end of the month to be sent of for DR & Service, I am hoping the 606 are still playing for another chance to listen

I was there the week after and agree. it was - I think I posted at the time - possibly the best modern-era system I’ve heard. I’ve heard though that the SO algorithm was flawed at the time so it should now sound even better!

Just trying to arrange a demo myself - you’ll love the DR upgrade btw.

I changed my 88's for 707's almost exactly six months ago. Mark has a point in that the 88's probably have more sheer muscle and bass power, but that proved to be a negative (or a positive for the 707's) in my room - in that the 88's could get a bit fruity.

The main improvement with the 707 for me is an obviously better quality tweeter which sounds smoother and sweeter and integrates more seamlessly into the mid-band. Bass is better controlled on the 707's in my room and the mid-band sounds more sophisticated, whilst lacking none of the characteristic Kudos lucidity and transparency.

The nice thing is that the new Kudos family (606, 707 and 808) all share the same sonic signature, so it's a case of matching to pocket and room. Isobaric (without a 'k'!) bass loading allows all three models to deliver beautifully clean and extended bass when sited relatively close to a room boundary.

 

John.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Sorry for diverting the thread but are the 606s as room friendly as the S20s?   I shouldn’t really be asking

Lindsay, I can only answer this from a physical size point of view. I saw the 707, 606 and S20 next to each other at the Audiobarn demo day and the 606 is only slightly larger than the S20. I suspect that the 606 does not need much (any?) more space around them compared to the S20 due to the Isobaric loading.

I only heard the 707 that day as a faulty Burndy on the Supercap powering the cross-over blew the 606s tweeters. Bu**er. But the 707 sounded wonderful passive and active at the Audiobarn as they did at the Signals Audio East Show a few weeks ago.

Dave J posted:

Hi Jonas,

Yep, there are some similarities - even down to the Sonority shelves. I couldn’t fit the 808s in my listening room and I’m not yet sure if the 707s will fit either. I was planning to arrange a trip to Leicester to do a comparison between 707s and 606s, either way it’ll be with a Music loom.

As an aside, have you listened to a Katalyst KDS? I think you’d find it interesting.

Its on my To-Do-list, hopefully this or next week. I guess you have tried it? I use 2 555 PS (with Sarum PL, on Sonority shelves).

Who will win?

Thanks Mark, those whose opinions I trust have all said pretty much the same. I’m taking my LP12 with me, “just in case”, but of course I’m following my own best advice and hearing if/how it works for me. Strongly suspect the turntable’s trip to see Peter won’t just be a social call...

I'm using the 707 with my 500/552 system. Great speakers, replaced my old good speakers: SL2, ProAc 3.8.
The Kudos sound is very transparent, lucid and clear. Had the S20 for a home demo, nothing like the 707 in terms of scale/weight of the
instruments. Soundstage is great with the 707, although it was not easy to find that really sweet spot (distance from back wall - 25-30cm).

They do like some Chord cables, which adds that prestige sound to the NDS - an excellent combination.
Works great both with digital and analog sources, but the performance with my analog source (LP12+Armageddon+SuperLine+Supercap
DR+Aro+ZYX Omega Premium) is heavenly made, truly remarkable.

I prefer the Kudos sound to the ProAc/Harbeth/Naim speakers (SL2/Ovators)/B&W/Wilson Audio/Magico and many more.

Kudos to speakers is what Naim to electronics, IMHO.

BP.

Clive B posted:

The Kudos 707, together with the PMC Fact12, is on my list of possibles in case there is a need to replace my Naim NBLs. Currently I'm leaning more towards the Fact12s.

Just to add to the conundrum, ones better choice of speaker for ones; system compatibility, individual  listening room acoustics, budget, and ears, may also depend upon the decision on remaining in passive form, or to go active [perhaps at a later stage] with another amp or two. The best passive speaker resolve may come down to which one has the better passive performance characteristics, perhaps especially due to x-over design technology and construction.

I find the prospect of owning more than one NAP500 highly unaffordable without a substantial premium bond win : /

Debs

I listened to the 808s and the 606s recently back to back. Yes the smaller speakers lack the ultimate scale on the big Titans but close your eyes and you’d be astounded by what the 606s do give you. 

And the bass - wow! The Super 20s are good but the control and the power and the detail.

The 707s are great too. 

pylod posted:

Bp, since you owned a SL2 , how would you describe the difference between those and your new 707 ?

The SL2 provides a wall of sound, instruments are very natural without any coloration, "dry" sound.
The 707 adds an extra luxurious to the sound, very lucid sound, extra layers are resolved with an authority of a larger speaker.
The 707 also adds an extra capacity/body to the instruments. The tweeter is much much better than older speakers, smooth just like a butter.

BTW, the 808 reminds me the DBL with their scale and bass response.

BP.

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