Kudos S20s

Very interesting thread, as I also own Dynaudio Focus 260 speakers, I would agree they need some space and they love a powerful amplifier. In fact in some ways my previous Dynaudio X32 was somewhat easier to drive than the bigger Focus.

One very interesting aspect mentioned is how the Kudos is able to keep the sound quality at low volumes.

I wonder how the Kudos sounds compared to Ovator S400 or Proac D20 driven by 282/HCDR/250DR?

analogmusic posted:

very interesting. Does the S20 have some kind of arrangement on the speaker terminals to go active? 

 

The latest version of the Kudos S20 is the S20a. There are indeed link pins by the binding posts on this latest model that remain in place for passive use but can be removed for active set ups. Kudos have been working with Linn on active use so I am not sure if using the S20a in active mode is reserved for Linn electronics. 

analogmusic posted:

Very interesting thread, as I also own Dynaudio Focus 260 speakers, I would agree they need some space and they love a powerful amplifier. In fact in some ways my previous Dynaudio X32 was somewhat easier to drive than the bigger Focus.

One very interesting aspect mentioned is how the Kudos is able to keep the sound quality at low volumes.

I wonder how the Kudos sounds compared to Ovator S400 or Proac D20 driven by 282/HCDR/250DR?

I've owned 250/SupercapDR and 250 (non-DR) with S400s and Super 20s.  S400s have more slam on rock music but less imaging and detail than Super 20s. I'd also say S400s play loud in an "unburstable" manor in a way that the S20s don't.  I sold my S20s after a year as they were just too bright for me, in a way that was very fatiguing.  But I think I'm alone in this verdict.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Proacs and BWs weren't on my shortlist.  Dyna 260s are the spiritual successor to my 1.8s   In comparison I found the Kudos a very considerable improvementt all round. 

 

STRAT,

I know that the Kudo's are the hot item of the month, it use to be Neat's were the apple of everybody's eye on the forum, then the Art's for a while, then PMC's for kind of a short burst, now it's Kudos and Focal's turn. 

No disrespect, but you are comparing speakers that cost four times what your previous, kind of very elderly speakers cost, soooo, they should perform better.

I have heard Kudos speakers, and I am still of the opinion you should have auditioned like valued Dynaudio, ATC's, and Proac's also. I happened to prefer those speakers to the Kudos I heard, which were kind of over the top, hot sounding, but that's just my ears.

 

nigelb posted:

I have just returned from a listen to a pair of S20s at my dealers on the end of CD555/555PS/552DR/300DR. Blimey they are impressive!

Not taking anything away from the speakers, but I would guess any speaker on the end of that system would probably sound pretty impressive!

Badlands,

When the 260swent out of production  I think they were £3k, thes20s are £4400.     

Min the subject of Neats they were the speaker I always hankered after but the porting just made them unsuitable for my room.  I've heard the Ultimatums in other surroundings and they are hugely impressive. As it happens I ended up spending less than I anticipated. 

Regards,

Lindsay

The Strat (Fender) posted:

At this point in time the Active configuration only works with Linn. 

Proacs and BWs weren't on my shortlist.  Dyna 260s are the spiritual successor to my 1.8s   In comparison I found the Kudos a very considerable improvementt all round. 

/me hears the klaxon sound effect go off...

Faulty information ... they'll work active with anything that has an active crossover that has appropriate settings for them ... So they've been running with Linn Exact and Devaliet and mine are running active too.

Phil

Badlands, you bought the X38, but you have said (if I may ask) that proacs were maybe the finest speaker you heard.

is there any reason you didn't buy proac speakers? What do you think of the  proac D20 compared to your X38? 

I have heard the D20, and it is very good sounding, one of my friends has it and I will be testing them again. I have no chance of auditioning Kudos where I live.

I don't have any problem with my focus 260, other than my room may be too small for them,  Whenever I have heard Dyna's sounding excellent at Dynaudio dealers, they are well away from the wall, in fact sometimes in the middle of the room.

But the option of going active with Kudos is attractive, has anyone tried to use A Naim SNAXO crossover with Kudos S20?

Strat,

Here in North America, the Kudos C20's, which are less expensive than your current speakers, are about double the price of the Dynaudio Focus 260's, which retailed for around $3800.00, the C20's, not the S20's are $7395.00. So a pretty big difference between North American pricing and UK pricing.

The price difference I was referring to were your previous 1.8 Contour's which retailed somewhere in the 2 to 3 thousand dollar range, so your current speakers are roughly about four times that cost.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Kudos are excellent speakers, I just think comparing them to much older and less expensive speakers is not really a fair comparison.

 

At launch, the Focus 260 was a 4900 Dollar speaker. You did previously tell me that focus 260 needs at least a NAP 300?

I'm not sure how similar or not it is to the Contour 1.8, for instance the focus has an older generation esotar tweeter (although Dynaudio called it esotec+), and different crossover and drivers.

In any case, Focus 260 s is not made anymore. Either one has to buy Emit/Excite range or the new Contour range.

 

analogmusic posted:
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But the option of going active with Kudos is attractive, has anyone tried to use A Naim SNAXO crossover with Kudos S20?

The 'standard' off the shelf SNAXOs for Ovators etc are the wrong crossover points but SNAXOs have been done in the past for a number of non-Naim speakers if there has been the commercial justiification...

Phil

the implementation of active speakers in the Muso-QB is really good, now I'm getting motivated to go active on my main rig.

 

difficult to accept passive speakers once you heard what improvements there are in active speakers....(especially in bass control and articulation) 

Kudos are partnering with Linn Exakt, so why not for Naim Snaxo..... Unless Focal has speakers that have active options?

analogmusic posted:

Badlands, you bought the X38, but you have said (if I may ask) that proacs were maybe the finest speaker you heard.

is there any reason you didn't buy proac speakers? What do you think of the  proac D20 compared to your X38? 

I have heard the D20, and it is very good sounding, one of my friends has it and I will be testing them again. I have no chance of auditioning Kudos where I live.

I don't have any problem with my focus 260, other than my room may be too small for them,  Whenever I have heard Dyna's sounding excellent at Dynaudio dealers, they are well away from the wall, in fact sometimes in the middle of the room.

But the option of going active with Kudos is attractive, has anyone tried to use A Naim SNAXO crossover with Kudos S20?

Analog,

Good to see you back again, it seems you were away for a while.

The reason I didn't purchase Proac's is my dealer stopped selling them. Also, as of now, there is only one Proac retailer in the whole state. 

My current dealer has this upgrade policy that if you buy new speakers within a year you get full value, and since I purchased my previous speakers from him I opted to stay with this dealer and receive full value on my trade in. I chose the Dyns after listening to the other brands he carries, Sonus faber, Focal, and Dynaudio.

I like what the D20's are capable of, and yes I do prefer them to my current speakers, but they also cost a couple of thousand dollars more. The things that are more important to me, transparent sounding, three dimensional, excellent imaging, the Proacs do very well, the Dyns probably do the scale and bass power stuff better, may even be a little more refined in the upper frequencies, but I prefer the presentation of the Proac's.

I am in the same boat you are with my Dyn's, in that they are overpowering my  smaller listening room. I feel the Proac D18's or D20's would be a better fit, that and the fact they just have great synergy with Naim.

 

analogmusic posted:

At launch, the Focus 260 was a 4900 Dollar speaker. You did previously tell me that focus 260 needs at least a NAP 300?

 

 

Not long after they were launched, retail prices were reduced by quite a bit, I know my X38's were reduced from 4600.00 to 3900.00. Which I believe the Focus 260's were before being discontinued.

Yes, Dyn's definitely sound better with more power, not that it's absolutely necessary, but at 86 db's sensitivity and a not so friendly load, the Focus 260's would benefit from the better amp.

ok, that clarifies a lot.  I will be auditioning the proacs again, when I heard them in my friends apartment the bass boom from the D20 quite uncontrolled (but clearly it was the room at fault rather than the speakers). That was with a bare 272/250DR.

I have heard the Proac studio 140 with a supernait 1/HC, I did like that combination a lot.

Also heard D40R with 272/250DR in a big living room, it sounded great.

I do wish I had kept the smaller X32, as it was a better fit and sound in my room than the bigger Focus 260.

 Apologies to the strat for discussing other speakers, I wish I could audition Kudos S20 where I live.

 

analogmusic posted:

I do wish I had kept the smaller X32, as it was a better fit and sound in my room than the bigger Focus 260.

 

 

I do remember telling you that I thought  going from the Excite line to the Focus line, after comparing them at my dealer, in my opinion, wasn't worth it , and moving  up to the then Contour line you would only then  realize any noticeable improvement.

I haven't heard the new Contour line myself, but from what some have told me that have actually heard them, they are something very special. 

You were right, some other people also heard X34 and focus 260 and bought the newer X34.

I am hoping my Dynaudio dealer is able to get a demo pair of the new contour, but they are quite expensive.

 

Back to Kudos : how does the Kudos S20 handle rock, metal and dance music?

That is one area my previous Dynaudio excite X32 was quite remarkable, the bass never lost control, and was never boomy.  No boxiness either. 

Analogue,

The ability of a system to handle all genres to me is fundamental. Therefore having an extensive home trial was crucial.  Whilst I don't really do  dance/techno I can say that they have so far handled everything from Corelli to the White Stripes with absolute ease. We have also thrown in  some Massive Attack for good measure.    

Regards,

Lindsay. 

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