Munich

I am very very much looking forward to the show even combined with the Can Jam, I might also need to go two days instead of one to cover it sufficiently. In this post I will also provide you with a report as I hope others can do.

According to my Magazine the main setup will be ND555, statement and a Focal Grande Utupia EM Evo.....so let’s see

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Alba1320 posted:
james n posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

Turntable ?

I wonder how many 'taps' that would have...

Just one, to turn on the water supply for the hydraulic turbine that powers the platter.

Bert Schurink posted:

Ps. Outside the obvious Naim visit, if anybody wants me to check something out. Let me know. I can't promise that I will get to everything but at least I can try to catch some of the interests on the forum.

Yes please, I would like you to sneak out and try as much beer as possible. It is Munich, after all. 

The ND555 would be the most important news for me, Bert,  although partnering it with Statement and Grande Utopias is not really providing the majority of their potential customers (including many forum members) with a taste of what the ND555 will do for them.

An upgrade from my NDS to an ND555 would be a very tight squeeze but that's a demo I'd like to hear;  the upgrade to a Statement to go with it just isn't going to happen this side of a lottery win...  and I won't say anything about those Focal speakers  (they 'ain't going to happen either).

Roger

PS - enjoy the show Bert - 2 days is a sound investment of your time. 

Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

chord dac with intended naim sound perhaps?

?????

Mayby Davina has reached production, to feed into Dave and thus allow those with vinyl collections to experience Dave...

it was a bit ironic because Analogmusic is always referring to the strict naim intended sound, but uses chord dave.....

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

My guess the special new product Chord electronics are planning to announce tomorrow is the new Chord Digital amplifier.....

along with the Analog to Digital converter based on Dave....

It will be  interesting reading reports of the ND555....lucky are those who will get to hear it tomorrow 

 

i read the commentary on Apoxona show in the stereotimes site:  chord intended sound was: chord dave, chord blue, and chord cpm integrated ( 14 k dollars) driving Raidho d41 140k speakers!    curious set up: chord intended sound is to drive 140k speakers with 14k integrated...

why not supernait driving Wilson 200k Alexandria?

ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

Ps. Outside the obvious Naim visit, if anybody wants me to check something out. Let me know. I can't promise that I will get to everything but at least I can try to catch some of the interests on the forum.

Yes please, I would like you to sneak out and try as much beer as possible. It is Munich, after all. 

As I am living in Germany - that wouldn't be a big challenge. However I don't like beer so much......., so I will pass on that one....

French Rooster posted:

i read the commentary on Apoxona show in the stereotimes site:  chord intended sound was: chord dave, chord blue, and chord cpm integrated ( 14 k dollars) driving Raidho d41 140k speakers!    curious set up: chord intended sound is to drive 140k speakers with 14k integrated...

why not supernait driving Wilson 200k Alexandria?

And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with mega expensive speakers driven by a relatively inexpensive amp as long as the amp is up to it - and maybe that will be the point of their demo.

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

It’ll be interesting to see if they produce one, or a grown-up Poly for Dave - though personally I wish they made the present Poly usable with any of their DACs, and gave it an SD instead of micro-SD slot for music storage - that would readily enable all my music on one device, usable with Dave at home, and a Mojo for mobile, no synching needed, identical player software etc - pretty ideal really ...if only.

Innocent Bystander posted:
French Rooster posted:

i read the commentary on Apoxona show in the stereotimes site:  chord intended sound was: chord dave, chord blue, and chord cpm integrated ( 14 k dollars) driving Raidho d41 140k speakers!    curious set up: chord intended sound is to drive 140k speakers with 14k integrated...

why not supernait driving Wilson 200k Alexandria?

And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with mega expensive speakers driven by a relatively inexpensive amp as long as the amp is up to it - and maybe that will be the point of their demo.

maybe you are right..

tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Dave fronted by an NDX (and associated cables) already trumps my CD555, but my inner geek says upsampling a signal can’t produce anything that’s authentically better than a native feed. But then a lot of things have sailed over my inner geek’s head these last few years. If there is such a beast at Munich I’d appreciate Bert’s views.

SamClaus posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

benjy posted:
SamClaus posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve heard.

G

GraemeH posted:
benjy posted:
SamClaus posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

 

How I wish this were true..... Sadly it just ain't so.

 I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Nick Lees posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Dave fronted by an NDX (and associated cables) already trumps my CD555, but my inner geek says upsampling a signal can’t produce anything that’s authentically better than a native feed. But then a lot of things have sailed over my inner geek’s head these last few years. If there is such a beast at Munich I’d appreciate Bert’s views.

Dave is already upsampling, in fact every Chord DAC upsamples, the level of sophistication depends on the machine, but they all do from Mojo all the way to Blu2/Dave. 

Since you liked Dave enough to buy it, it could be interesting to hear Blu2 for yourself - it gives you a more of what made you buy Dave.... 

 

benjy posted:
GraemeH posted:
benjy posted:
SamClaus posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

And a lovely orange veneer

analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

Innocent Bystander posted:
benjy posted:
GraemeH posted:
benjy posted:
SamClaus posted:
analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

And a lovely orange veneer

But I’m sure how well they handle female singers.

Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

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