Munich

analogmusic posted:
Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

So, in your view, every DAC preceding Blu2/DAVE is broken, and therefore 99% of us "unfortunates" that do not have the means or inclination to comitt that sort of money, have "broken" kit?

I have a BMW 320D and you a Ferrari 488 Pista. My car is clearly broken and of no worth! 

The term broken is ridiculous!!!

 

 

analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Alba1320 posted:
analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Nice find - I always wondered what they looked like. 

James

analogmusic posted:
Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

Whilst I think Dave is oceans away from Hugo, it no way made Hugo sound broken, let alone TT slightly above it. Hugo still sounded very good indeed, and if I counldn’t have afforded Dave I would have happliy carried on with it, though forever aware of what more was possible.

Curious, though: if you couldn’t listen to Hugo any more after Dave, how do you cope with Mojo? Presumably it sounds like a bag of rusty nails! 

And Dave broken by adding Blu - that must be a real wow moment!!!! I presume youve bought Blu now, as you wouldn’t be able to listen to Dave without it?

 

Oh the hyperbole in this forum!!!!!!

Alba1320 posted:
analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

A bit more info from Mr Dane back in 2012 (he's probably got some mint ones tucked away somewhere !)

NAM 402 Loudspeaker.  Two-way passive design from 1969-1975.  Used a 200mm bass driver and 25mm H/F driver both made by Goodmans.  Used as a broadcast and small studio monitor as well as domestically. 

 There was also a NA 502 that used the same drivers built to IBA approval with an integral single channel NAP160.  This was for broadcast and studio use, 12 pairs of which were used by Capital Radio.

Finally there was the NA 602 which was manufactured by Mordaunt-Short for Naim.  This only lasted a year until Linn developed their Isobarik, at which point Naim ceased to offer loudspeakers until the arrival of the SBL in 1985.

Anyway back to the Cho... I mean Munich thread 

Alba1320 posted:
analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Nice try Alba, and I like the sentiment, however...  

The NAM 502 was introduced in 1972, designed and built to IBA approval for broadcast and studio use (12 pars of them were installed in the Capital Radio studios) and incorporating a power amp, which was effectively one half of a NAP160. 

And that last bit is the clue..  the first Naim product to be designed was the NAP200 (nee 250), from which also derived the NAP160. And the first to be sold was the NAP160 (in 1971).

 

Mojo is for the car......... compared to the bog standard car audio it is bliss.

I have not purchased Blu2 as I can't afford it.... but yes it is a real wow moment.

It just sounds so unlike any digital source (including Dave).... the dream of "perfect sound forever" (sony and Philips) come true.

as for Hugo and TT sounding broken..... well they sound a bit etched to me, but Mojo doesn't.

Mojo has a better and later generation FPGA - in fact the FPGA in Mojo is so advanced, Chord Used it for Hugo 2 

Richard Dane posted:
Alba1320 posted:
analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

SNIP

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Nice try Alba, and I like the sentiment, however...  

The NAM 502 was introduced in 1972, designed and built to IBA approval for broadcast and studio use (12 pars of them were installed in the Capital Radio studios) and incorporating a power amp, which was effectively one half of a NAP160. 

And that last bit is the clue..  the first Naim product to be designed was the NAP200 (nee 250), from which also derived the NAP160. And the first to be sold was the NAP160 (in 1971).

Good job that I said 'apparently'!

What about the NAM 402?

Eek!  OK, I'm busted.  In spite of its Goodmans connection, the NAM 402 may have been the first Naim product.  My notes say it first appeared in 1969. But, whether it actually qualified as a proper Naim product, with only a tiny number made,  is another question, so as far as history is concerned, it's the NAP160.

analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:
Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

 

How I wish this were true..... Sadly it just ain't so.

 I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

Richard Dane posted:

Eek!  OK, I'm busted.  In spite of its Goodmans connection, the NAM 402 may have been the first Naim product.  My notes say it first appeared in 1969. But, whether it actually qualified as a proper Naim product, with only a tiny number made,  is another question, so as far as history is concerned, it's the NAP160.

Well, history gets re-written often enough, so why not here and now with Naim.  Let's not allow a few loudspeakers to cloud the annals* of the world's best amplifier manufacturer, eh?

(* whoops, good job I spellchecked that before posting)

Alba1320 posted:
analogmusic posted:
SNIP

It will be  interesting reading reports of the ND555....lucky are those who will get to hear it tomorrow

Perhaps not so lucky, given the Focal loudspeakers...

I bet the Sopra 1s would turn a few heads on that big system....

Bert Schurink posted:

I am very very much looking forward to the show even combined with the Can Jam, I might also need to go two days instead of one to cover it sufficiently. In this post I will also provide you with a report as I hope others can do.

According to my Magazine the main setup will be ND555, statement and a Focal Grande Utupia EM Evo.....so let’s see

Bert, I have also ordered an ND555 (subject to audition).  I was trawling through earlier posts to see if you have a view about 4.6 on NDS vs 4.4, but there’s so much fragmentation, I didn’t find your opinion. Do you have one?

I ask because I am so impressed by 4.6 that I find it hard to conceive what kind of improvement Naim may have wrought with ND555 over NDS 4.6 in the sound quality dimension. Obviously I would also be welcoming the Roon endpoint implementation, and maybe the screen etc., but I really look forward to your view as to whether the ND555 is a serious improvement  to the NDS at the substantial price difference (and I hope it is!).

tonym posted:

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

blimey - glad to be corrected. I don't want to pay for the CD player in Blu2 myself.

Chord have confirmed more Mscalers on the way - (hopefully without the CD player....)

analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

blimey - glad to be corrected. I don't want to pay for the CD player in Blu2 myself.

Chord have confirmed more Mscalers on the way - (hopefully without the CD player....)

Have Chord confirmed more Mscalers on the way? 

Where did you see that? 

David O'Higgins posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

I am very very much looking forward to the show even combined with the Can Jam, I might also need to go two days instead of one to cover it sufficiently. In this post I will also provide you with a report as I hope others can do.

According to my Magazine the main setup will be ND555, statement and a Focal Grande Utupia EM Evo.....so let’s see

Bert, I have also ordered an ND555 (subject to audition).  I was trawling through earlier posts to see if you have a view about 4.6 on NDS vs 4.4, but there’s so much fragmentation, I didn’t find your opinion. Do you have one?

I ask because I am so impressed by 4.6 that I find it hard to conceive what kind of improvement Naim may have wrought with ND555 over NDS 4.6 in the sound quality dimension. Obviously I would also be welcoming the Roon endpoint implementation, and maybe the screen etc., but I really look forward to your view as to whether the ND555 is a serious improvement  to the NDS at the substantial price difference (and I hope it is!).

Hi David, I don’t yet have 4.6 on my NDS, I am waiting for my dealer to drop on on me and install it. When I have it I will definitely write about my experiences. My guess is that it closes in towards the ND555 as compared to the NDS sound before 4.6

Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

blimey - glad to be corrected. I don't want to pay for the CD player in Blu2 myself.

Chord have confirmed more Mscalers on the way - (hopefully without the CD player....)

Have Chord confirmed more Mscalers on the way? 

Where did you see that? 

It isn't of much relevance to the Hugo TT, unfortunately as it doesn't have the capability to be paired with an M-scaler.

So irrelevant to you.

analogmusic posted:
Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

blimey - glad to be corrected. I don't want to pay for the CD player in Blu2 myself.

Chord have confirmed more Mscalers on the way - (hopefully without the CD player....)

Have Chord confirmed more Mscalers on the way? 

Where did you see that? 

It isn't of much relevance to the Hugo TT, unfortunately as it doesn't have the capability to be paired with an M-scaler.

So irrelevant to you.

It may not be relevant to me now but it could well do in the near future, so please don't presume.

So if you don't mind can you confirm where you got that news as i'm sure it's of interest and relevant to many?

analogmusic posted:
Muttonjef posted:
analogmusic posted:
tonym posted:

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.

blimey - glad to be corrected. I don't want to pay for the CD player in Blu2 myself.

Chord have confirmed more Mscalers on the way - (hopefully without the CD player....)

Have Chord confirmed more Mscalers on the way? 

Where did you see that? 

It isn't of much relevance to the Hugo TT, unfortunately as it doesn't have the capability to be paired with an M-scaler.

So irrelevant to you.

The Hugo TT 2 was a fairly safe bet for Munich, and a highly likely upgrade for me in the Autumn.

My interest in M-scaler was very relevant! 

Dynaudio have an all new confidence line,with completely new design...and the price has skyrocketed.I don’t know if they will be playing in Munich,or just a static display....hopefully Bert has a chance to see and hear them.

There are some photos on the AVS Dynaudio owners thread forum,last page.

Innocent Bystander posted:
james n posted:

So have Naim unveiled the ND555 yet ?

Don’t know about Munich - the show isn’t open yet - but Naim have just launched the new streamers by way of an email sent out today to people on their mailing list.

Yes i've got that. Did the show not open today ?

james n posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
james n posted:

So have Naim unveiled the ND555 yet ?

Don’t know about Munich - the show isn’t open yet - but Naim have just launched the new streamers by way of an email sent out today to people on their mailing list.

Yes i've got that. Did the show not open today ?

Maybe I got the date wrong. 

Edit: nope, 11th-13th

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