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glevethan posted:

Bert

I am listening to the uncapped version.  It is extremely easy to do and takes 5 minutes.

Antond

It is quite amazing what a portable system can do.  I came back to headphones last year after a 15 year absence.  I can see why it is the fastest growing segment of audio (sorry to say however us old guys are dinosaurs).

There is an amazing number of exciting products out there in headphone land.

 

 

Assuming I will get it in due time I will contact you for the how to, as I saw out of posts that the backdoor for uncapping might be closed now with firmware updates.....

I do not believe that to be true.  Even with the firmware update you can still uncap them.

People have actually commented that once uncapped future firmware updates do not break the uncap.

On Headfi there is a multi hundred page thread on the 1Zfor information

Sorry for the thread hijack

Bert Schurink posted:

So let’s talk about the main events. First the ND555 and later the NDX. 

First thing to say was that they had organized the entry into the rooms into an odd way. You had to register yourself on a not very well working French keyboard. At the NDX one I couldn’t even find the dot and it crashed. The idea as such was ok, to ensure no overbooking at not people popping in an out, but the result was rather cumbersome.

The first demo was a problem, they had some technical issues in the first demo and the stuff wasn’t yet at it’s peak, so I had something I need to go again and hear it properly.

which I did after lunch. The demo worked and was much better moderated. So besides the odd effect that the Focals are not my favorites, I found them in this setup much more digestible. They had a good set of demo pieces to show prat and detail, so as such it gave a good impression. So if I tune out the effects of the Focals and the Statement, what did I notice about the ND555

1. Massive PRAT, incredible and very enjoyable. The transcends of notes are working perfect. 

2. Soundstage is incredible. You don’t hear so often that type of sound stage

3. Detail retrieval, you could hear things happening which I wouldn’t hear in other setups. 

4. Tonality was right on the spot, sometimes a bit bloat in bass, but I had the feeling it was more the speakers given the rest of the accuracy, or perhaps still something to improve.

5. It sounded sometimes so perfect, so effortless.

now of course - I am not sure what effect the other components had on the picture. But I have heard the statement with Wilson Benesch and Linn streamer. And in comparison I would say , much better PRAT detail retrieval similar or better.

So while I don’t know the CD555 - I can belief the claim that’s Naim’s best source. Let’s see if I am right in real circumstances with less accomplished other components.....

 

More photos to follow. And I do understand that people might be less positive as they get too much taken away by the effects of the speakers. While I had the feeling that the speakers had some negative effects - but that it was okish. Also a point to remark the sound in the morning was by far not so good as the demo I had after lunch, and no it wasn’t me....

So I did now the test in my own system. I can confirm especially the first three points from above in comparison what I hear at home based on the track of Sohn, see below - great track to test the system. 

So conclusion:

1. Much more PRAT

2. Much bigger soundstage

3. Quite a number of things - little things I don’t hear at home anymore.

now of course other things also play a role speakers 4 times as expensive I belief, amplification 3 times, and I guess they also had Chord Music Ethernet ...

But I a, convinced and sure it will be a great upgrade for my system....

 

And again use the track to make comparison for upgrades yourself, it gives quite some info...

 

Marantz had I guess the designer playing, while I don’t know him. Was nice for an average family who want a nice sound, but it didn’t hit for me an audiophile level. Bass bloated, detail was not enough... also a quite strange cross setup of the loudspeakers, never seen that before...

 

Then one of my highlights. The Shure KSE 1200 and the KSE 1500. The last time at the high end I heard the 1500, but didn’t have enough closure, so heard somehow what it could do, but not completely given all the noise around. But yesterday I had perfec5 closure and I was really impressed. Tonality, speed, soundstage just fantastic. These ones are even competing with the best of the full sized earphones. Also bass was very tuneful and round. I tested from jazz to progressive metal and nothing was giving them a problem. For comparison. The 1200 is the same than the 1500 but misses the digital DAC and only connects through normal headphone connection. So a “normal” amp. It’s that great that it could be the one and only solution for you. The 1200 is almost 2000 euros while the 1500 is close to 3000. This product will be on my serious consideration list...

Comb8ned with the Sony Walkman it might be a dream combination, while expensive for mobile. Combined at price level 5000 euros.

Bert Schurink posted:

Tomorrow day time I will continue with completing my day one and hope to also be able to publish on day 2. Musical call outs for today

....Audionet

Senheiser new 820’s

Shure KSE1200 and 1500

Sony’s top end Walkman 

the Westend Tube amplifiers wth a swapping 100 Watts 

I have my eyes on kse1200

I also had some nice xperiences with the Senheiser HD820. This headphone combines in a way the best of two worlds without having a lot of the negatives. Tuneful bass, good highs, gorgeous mids, great soundstage. This could be easily everybodies darlings. In the early morning I also had a quick listen, at that point I heard some edgy ness in bass and heights. But later in the day I heard them again, and had a wonderful experience. So must have been either break in issue or warm up topic in the morning. As the headphones where different ones. If you are in the market for 2400 bucks, put them on your listening list....

 

Also had a listen to the Chord Hugo 2 - as before a great device fantastic for in office or at home hearing. While the leaflets showed mobile scenarios I think that’s less likely. Chord Mojo is for me in a whole different league, much less refined but still a great solution....

 

Audionet had the usual enthusiastic but nervous presenter. One of the best sounds of the show. Their top end stuff is also a kind of statement. A lot of control, warm sound. Very enjoyable. They always demo with cd’s and get quite good results with the cd’s. They also had a k8nd of interesting demo program with variation ....

 

With AVM I had two strange experiences. Normally they pair with Gauder speakers and compete for the best sound at the show. Detailed, natural sound - you normally can throw anything to it. Now they focused on something completely different. Some strange looking speakers, which so7nded better than expected, but at the same po8nt left me a bit with question marks as if I missed something. They also had a long layer which was demoed.

Then the 2nd part of the strange experience is that I think it was Michael Fremer who walked in or it was another American similar looking journalist. And he started picking records out of his bag to be played. All kind of styles. Ending with a unique pressing of who’s next. And the amazement was that the speaker dealt quite well with it while I had the feeling that i still wanted to hear a stronger foundation. 

Dan Agostino with Sonus Faber was again very impressive with a live version of Miles Davis  Time after Time. But what a shame to present your products in such a bad setup room. They do this already for years and have no proper listening setup. I tj8nk we would be amazed when they would properly set it up. It could compete in the top 5 of the show I think.

 

Bert Schurink posted:

With AVM I had two strange experiences. Normally they pair with Gauder speakers and compete for the best sound at the show. Detailed, natural sound - you normally can throw anything to it. Now they focused on something completely different. Some strange looking speakers, which so7nded better than expected, but at the same po8nt left me a bit with question marks as if I missed something. They also had a long layer which was demoed.

Then the 2nd part of the strange experience is that I think it was Michael Fremer who walked in or it was another American similar looking journalist. And he started picking records out of his bag to be played. All kind of styles. Ending with a unique pressing of who’s next. And the amazement was that the speaker dealt quite well with it while I had the feeling that i still wanted to hear a stronger foundation. 

Hard to imagine the domestic decor-scheme into which those speakers would blend. 

Bert Schurink posted:

Dan Agostino with Sonus Faber was again very impressive with a live version of Miles Davis  Time after Time. But what a shame to present your products in such a bad setup room. They do this already for years and have no proper listening setup. I tj8nk we would be amazed when they would properly set it up. It could compete in the top 5 of the show I think.

 

I had the opportunity with Finkfan to hear this set up at the Windsor Show UK last year, we were both very very impressed.

They are certainly very big bold boxes, and very expensive, also you would need a seriously robust rack to put them on. 

Sound wise superb....

 

The Burmeister show itself was not as special as I had hoped. Huge speakers, huge monblock, good sources. But hell were is the emotion. It’s so controlled so right, but so cold in many ways. What worked very well was Renee Fleming just in a small setting that’s where it excelled. Of course I am complains on a very high level, but my expectations are in line with what I should expect. Still love the sound of Burmeister in a car however, much better than my Harmon Karton in the BMW.

 

 

The Canton demo was divided in two rooms. One with the smaller thing, one with the new mid level reference speaker. On the four demoed speakers it comes clearly across that you get good value for money. They also started to step in the world of active and had a good offer there. Also one of the only ones daring to demo AC/DC so that also gives some respect. 

 

 

This years report of the high end has come to an end. It was a pleasure to share the things I saw and heard. If you disagree with some things, please remember it’s just my opinion or what I registered in the limitations which were there. So you can just ignore it or violently disagree, I am ok either way. After this post I will only react to questions but stop producing new content as their is no more. This odd product is a good end of the journey. I am already looking forward to next years one. While it might be less exciting for me as I would already have the ND555 up and running.....

 

Bert Schurink posted:

For PMC fans, they had quite impressive speakers at the show. Nice overall. While the played pieces didn’t give me a good understanding of their capability for the higher end of the tones. It was clear that bass and mid end is great. While I lost had the feeling that the bass is a bit too prominent in the mix and sometimes even gave a feel of boom. I guess these speakers will need room and also very good room treatment to show the full potential. I liked it and would assume they will score good in reviews...

 

PMC Fenestria doesn't look like a design success to me. The young sons takeover could spell trouble for the company. I would rather take the tried and tested MB2 XBDse, at some £8k cheaper.

http://jordanacoustics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/.bi/mb2xbd-se_main_auto_500_-1_resize.jpg

Tremendous work Bert, I have very much enjoyed reading your posts over the past few days.

Not much of it falls within my budget, however I have discovered some new music (to me) and will shortly be placing my order for a copy of Sohn - Tremors, I might even splash out on the vinyl LP.

I hope the wait for your new streamer is not too long.....

Mike

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