Naim CDS3 performance

beefster posted:
My cds3...
SNIP
...this thread has now got me thinking about trying the bigger power supply. Could I get an improvement ?  I've often thought that this would be nigh on impossible.

It seems that some people like the 555PS on the CDS3, some don't, preferring its 'natural' partner, the XPS2; As ever, try it, and see what you think.

I can remember when the CD555 was launched over on another Hi-Fi forum where there was a lot of ant-Naim rhetoric - much green eyed envy - one particularly outspoken member likened the llid on said player to his peddle bin.  Some while later said individual visited a member of this forum and heard the full 500 Seried in all its glory and posted “oh my god it’s amazing.  And forum members who continue to rubbish the Salisbury brand should shut the f—— up and go and hear it”.  Such launguage was the norm on that forum at the time.  

Sorry Alba, possibly not a choice of words that everyone will understand and I certainly didn't want it to come across any mean slight.  When the CD555 first appeared my daughter was still very young, so the lid of the 555 reminded me of the rear-hinged lid that was on her potty.  Every time I look at it now, it just reminds me of her potty.  Unfortunate I know, but there you go... (I'd still love to have one - a CD555 that is, not a potty...) 

tef posted:

I'm currently using the CDS3 with a FC2x-Nait XS. Sometimes I feel the CDP turns in a less exciting performance than my old FC2x-CD5x did. Other times it's amazing. This mixed performance is probably due to different quality recordings, however I do wonder if a Supernait or Supernait 2 would even out the performance.  Since I have no real interest in the DAC of the former, especially first hand comments from users of the latter with a CDS3 combo are very appreciated! However maybe the Supernait CDS3 combo is just the thing, if so, let me know!

TEF,

If the performance is intermittently good, then I suggest its not a set up or machine issue. CD quality/mixing is very varied as you suggest. I would agree with most of the above meaning that this was the top CD spinner for quite a time and intended to be paired with higher quality amps. I've owned both CDX2 and Still have my CDS3 and never had any quibbles. I'm not planning to get into any source first essays here but my bad news for you, is save up and buy amps higher up the food chain. SH are good value these days. Sorry not to be more help.

Dave

 

Hi All,

Let me be clear; The CDS3 performance is overall outstanding. THe feeling I described is very subjective and I'm not sure if it really is something at all, or maybe just that my ears are sometimes tired after a long day or something.... Maybe my expectations were a bit  too high as well? What's certain is that the CD5x is a very capable player in itself especially with the FC2x. The CDS3 is just way more exciting.

I'm pretty serious about upgrading to Supernait 2. I think this amp is more on par with the CDS3.

I just got a 4-5 din to connect my FC2x directly to my stageline, and I must say, it's a nice upgrade from the NaitXS Aux2. Must say I haven't listened to the CDS3 since. I read that freeing up the Aux2 can also have a positive effect on sound quality (eg when amplifying the CDS3), does someone have this experience?

Does anyone use the Sn2's Aux2 to power a stageline?....Or I could keep the FC2 just to power the SL (most seem to think the FC is not a good match with SN2). Or I get a Hicap for the SL....

Tef - the SN2 is brilliant but the CDS3 was before the advent of the CD555 the recommended source for the 552/500 - it's that good.  This is highlighted by the fact that its spiritual successor the NDS has been used to front up at Statement demos.  I won’t go back over the PSU issue but to really exploit what is a wonderful CDP I would try to find a good used 282/200 “the window” will really open on the music. On the other hand if you want a one box integrated than the SN2 is the way to go.   

With regard to powering the SL I have quite successfully used the Aux2 on my 282 but I should imagine using the FC would give a better result.  

Good luck. 

Lindsay

The Strat (Fender) posted:
Christopher_M posted:

Tef, Just wanted to say that I preferred my CDS3 into my NAIT XS and SBLs to CDS3 into my one-time NAC282/ NAP200 and same SBLs.

I do like your idea of getting the Stageline on a FC and not Aux2.

So the XS is a better match to the SBLs than the 282/200?

For me, in this room, yes.

Christopher_M posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
Christopher_M posted:

Tef, Just wanted to say that I preferred my CDS3 into my NAIT XS and SBLs to CDS3 into my one-time NAC282/ NAP200 and same SBLs.

I do like your idea of getting the Stageline on a FC and not Aux2.

So the XS is a better match to the SBLs than the 282/200?

For me, in this room, yes.

Interesting. In what way did the 282/200 not work for you vs the XS Chris?

Marksnaim posted:
Christopher_M posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
Christopher_M posted:

Tef, Just wanted to say that I preferred my CDS3 into my NAIT XS and SBLs to CDS3 into my one-time NAC282/ NAP200 and same SBLs.

I do like your idea of getting the Stageline on a FC and not Aux2.

So the XS is a better match to the SBLs than the 282/200?

For me, in this room, yes.

Interesting. In what way did the 282/200 not work for you vs the XS Chris?

I preferred what I would describe as a leaner, faster, and also very balanced sound, from the XS. So you can infer the 282/200 had more weight. It was also less deft and made music less of a pleasure.

Perol posted:

I found I prefer XS/psu against SN2 so definately listen first

Guess its down to speakers and taste

 

Perhaps the CDS3 is due for service ?

Boy, it's so weird how people hear things so differently, I remember after I sold my Naim 250-2 based system, so after a few years without what I consider a proper hi-fi system, I wanted to get back into a quality system, I purchased a Cyrus integrated amp, the 8 Dac, it was fine, but I really missed the sound of what I had been use to for so many years with my 250-2 based system, so I brought home the XS-2 with a Flatcap XS PS. Thought it was a worthwhile upgrade to the Cyrus gear, it was just about the right amount I wanted to spend, then just for comparison, my dealer had a demo SN2, told me just to try it, didn't really say anything else when I inquired, he just had this smirk on his face.

Instead of going into my own findings, I thought I would just make available a quote from a professional reviewer who's reference gear was the XS-2/PS combo, that is until he reviewed the SN2. See below.

 

Conclusions about the Naim Supernait 2 Integrated Amplifier

With any brand that has such a devoted user base, there is, understandably, a fear that subsequent generations of equipment are not improvements per se, but part of a business strategy to capture more market share. Predictably, that often requires sacrificing something in an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. Once you hear the Supernait 2, any such fears are laid to rest. It sacrifices none of the hallmark Naim qualities. Instead, it adds real muscle and improves clarity by, among other things, significantly lowering noise. Having watched it murder my XS-2 and Flatcap combination at every turn, it is my new reference.

 

Everybody hears things differently, and I get that, but the difference between these two integrated amps is so obvious as to which one is the SOO much superior sounding amp, I sometimes wonder what sonic qualities others base their opinions on?

 

 

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