Naim new products 2018

i still can't believe that naim has ignored the resurgence of vinyl? It is huge? Vinyl is everywhere and even those who know nothing about it seem interested.

People must be missing physical media and the interaction it brings with collecting. Not to mention that it sounds so much better than most other sources. 

ARO 2 must be a no brainer in this day and age, naim should even release a turntable. I'm sure that in the old days, they probably couldn't add more to vinyl replay than what the LP12 offered, but the ARO definitely has something to offer over the Linn arms.

 

Surely it couldn't be that much of a risk???

 

Mario.

 

 

Mario posted:

i still can't believe that naim has ignored the resurgence of vinyl? It is huge? Vinyl is everywhere and even those who know nothing about it seem interested.

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ARO 2 must be a no brainer in this day and age,.....

Always assuming that the expertise is available to design and build (and support) an ARO2. The latter day Guy Lamotte probably works for Apple or Google, or manages a hedge fund  ;-)

The Strat (Fender) posted:
Perol posted:

 

But most likely they have a Statement integrated coming soon.

 

And just how big/heavy will that be!?

Good question !

No idea if they will make it sized as a Statement preamp ? Perhaps a double Nova or 500

I'm sure though, there is a market niche for very expensive integrated amplifiers, why would they not try getting their share - certainly they will.

Mario posted:

i still can't believe that naim has ignored the resurgence of vinyl? It is huge? Vinyl is everywhere and even those who know nothing about it seem interested.

People must be missing physical media and the interaction it brings with collecting. Not to mention that it sounds so much better than most other sources. 

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Mario.

 

 

Seconded Mario

Hence my suggestion for an analog half width preamp to replace 152/202, those 32.5 / 72 are becoming a bit old by now however a service is still another option

As I understand it the Aro was dropped because the expertise in the Organisation no longer existed to support it.  If Naim were to re-enter the vinyl market beyond the phono stages it would be a very considerable investment and not without risk.  Without having access to their business plan I would suggest that they are probably right to consolidate and develop their portfolio around their electronics and digital offerings.

Regards;

Lindsay 

 

I would like to see:

A standalone streamer (no DAC, amplifier or anything else) that you could add as an additional input to whatever system you have already got.  Ideally with a broader range of services including Qobuz.

Amplifiers with IP control, so that you could take a direct input from your streamer and control the volume via an iPad controlling the amplifier.  Ideally as a retro-fit to existing amplifiers.

The ARO is not rocket science, its main design feature is SIMPLICITY! 

 

It is very well thought out, very well made and works beautifully. We actually don't even need an ARO 2, bringing back the original would be enough and hard to improve on as it is such a perfectly simple design.

 

Don't tell me that a company that can deal with the complexity of Statement can't assemble a handful of parts that are ordered from another engineering firm any way.

 

Specs for every part already exist, they just have to be reordered and yes someone needs to be trained in assembling them. This is not an impossible task, and ARO's would be bought if they were made again.

 

Mario.

The Strat (Fender) posted:
Bob the Builder posted:
badlands posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
badlands posted:

Anything that will give them as much profit as the SL cables do. Maybe Naim cable lifters or cable dividers. Something along these lines, and sell it for a couple grand for package of two. Put the Naim name on it and watch the people swoon. They will of course  have  that certain synergy with the SL cables that no other cable lifters can provide. If they use my idea, I'll only take a 5% cut!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Badlands - fair enough that you like to challenge what you to believe to be the excesses of the Industry but frankly such is your cynicism and obvious disdain for the company I’m surprised you continue to post here. 

Strat, it's called humor, try not to take everything you see here so literally!

My God,  is this  modern world where people support and defend commercial companies as if they were football teams?  Naim Audio is a business company whose aim is to make money and it will take that money from you even without the show of blind obedience I promise.

It just depends how often the joke is repeated of course.  

Mario,

all good points.  However, for such a re-birth to be taken seriously, firstly, there has to be enough demand.  And by that I means enough to justify not just the investment in parts, which often have to be a one-off "lifetime buy" to make any sense, but also to justify the allocation of resources.  With the latter you have not just a personnel and training resource. Making the Aro consistently is something of an art and one that cannot easily just be taught to anyone - it takes time, feel, and experience.  And there's one more critical factor too - space. Everything in the Naim factory fights for its place and its space.  So, while I'm not saying it can't be done - I think it would be wonderful to bring back the Aro - there were solid business reasons why it was discontinued and I'm not entirely sure that the conditions have changed so much for the better to justify an about turn.  I'd love to be proved wrong though...

Antonio1 posted:

a much better and more versatile phone stage than the stageline.

Gone are those good old days when Linn/Naim partership somewhat ruled.

+1 though I wouldn’t buy one as I’ve just upgraded (and had to look non-Naim)... but the Stageline was on my radar and discounted due to the requirement of extra PSU to use with the NAC-N - adding two boxes for a photo stage kind of defeats the object of reducing boxes by going for NAC-N 272 rather than NAC202 plus NDX.

stuart.ashen posted:

Get Focal to produce a limited edition run of DBLs. Maybe twenty pairs. They would be expensive but a few well healed Naimees would snap them up!

Stu

Make sense, but not dollars!

Focal has shown us, that the bean counters control the board!

Allante93!

PS. Wishful thinking!

 

Hi Richard, I know forecasting demand is always a hard thing to do, God knows how many things are there on my list that I want and just can't afford!

 

I just couldn't help myself when I feel that the ARO's return could just be a possibility with the current health is vinyl sales. 

 

And naims track record of bringing things back arn't very good! I'm just hoping that sometimes, when you ask enough times, maybe ones wish may be granted!

 

I know the old loudspeaker area where the ARO was made is now taken up by Uniti production, I'll be facing the same issue when I go back to work and my aluminium fabrication department will be moved in order to assist in paint line efficiency, but ARO manufacturing could probably take place in a space as big as a bedroom! or maybe the MD's office!

 

Any way, there are so many cool things that are no longer made, but the ARO's return is certainly more likely than something like a nakamichi ZX9 ! 

Could you imaging how much a new one of those would cost to make today!

 

Regards

Mario.

The MD Trevor hot desking in the general office while they machine ARO parts in his office is certainly “out of the box” thinking. I just wonder in those days of computer controlled machining or parts being printed, if a lot could be outsourced, for a final Naim build and inspection. Just a thought....

Allante93 posted:
stuart.ashen posted:

Get Focal to produce a limited edition run of DBLs. Maybe twenty pairs. They would be expensive but a few well healed Naimees would snap them up!

Stu

Make sense, but not dollars!

Focal has shown us, that the bean counters control the board!

Allante93!

PS. Wishful thinking!

 

Talking about space, the entire production line of the Aro fits in one DBL.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Not taking it seriously!

The XS range has been rationalised and assuming the Unitis are now largely established I guess it remains for the streamers to be updated.   I’m not sure about the reality of a 5 Series or even Statement streamer.  Presumably WIP?

If everybody donates some money, we could rent the building opposite to Naim Audio and kickstart good spionage. I'll bring my coat, newspaper, walking stick and Borsalino hat.

Christopher_M posted:
Mario posted:

i still can't believe that naim has ignored the resurgence of vinyl? It is huge? Vinyl is everywhere and even those who know nothing about it seem interested.

.....

ARO 2 must be a no brainer in this day and age,.....

Always assuming that the expertise is available to design and build (and support) an ARO2. The latter day Guy Lamotte probably works for Apple or Google, or manages a hedge fund  ;-)

............reminds me.....ours will need reshaping in a few weeks time !

I assume that the entire range will gradually all be revamp and replaced into the new design standards; as per the Statement amp, muso and uniti ranges. 

Even though I’m at the low budget end of Naim products, I hope they dont manufactue in China to save costs, as someone else suggested/jested.

As someone who travels for many hours every day, I’d still love to see a Naim DAP. (Live in hope). 

 

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Not taking it seriously!

The XS range has been rationalised and assuming the Unitis are now largely established I guess it remains for the streamers to be updated.   I’m not sure about the reality of a 5 Series or even Statement streamer.  Presumably WIP?

WIP but with still some heavy lifting to do?!

I imagine we will see a new NDS which is in the same case as other classic products but with a large screen like the atom etc. It won’t be cheap but will be better than all or most other similar devices on the market when coupled with a 555dr power supply, or two.

Maybe Naim might swing a big wobble and throw everyone of the boat.    After celestial/physics nomenclatures of latest revamp of the Unity series, perhaps the Classic series will be revamped with Legendary nomenclature....... The 202 would be "Jason".  282 "Hercules". 252 "Apollo" 552 "Zeus" and so on

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

No I don't think so - the classic ranges higher end NAC/NAPs are largely staying as they are  - hence the name... or at least that is what some of us have been told by Naim several months back..

the classic pre/power amps are likely to stay, assuming that the still selling. Cant really see that new customers of the uniti design going for the dated black box   .   the unti design looks the part  , not sure the volume position for shelf use .    a uniti style  preamp  running  the range of classic power amps would be a winner to original customers

As an Atom owner I'd love for Focal and Naim to jointly develop a speaker, or a range of speakers, for the Uniti boxes. Ideally above the 905/906/926 range - perhaps in the Kanta range but smaller than the Kanta 2 currently out..

Probably wishful thinking but assuming they have aggressive sales figures in mind for the Uniti range, it could make sense to produce complementary speakers - we'll see...

 

Cato posted:

As an Atom owner I'd love for Focal and Naim to jointly develop a speaker, or a range of speakers, for the Uniti boxes. Ideally above the 905/906/926 range - perhaps in the Kanta range but smaller than the Kanta 2 currently out..

Probably wishful thinking but assuming they have aggressive sales figures in mind for the Uniti range, it could make sense to produce complementary speakers - we'll see...

I’ve always thought similar... I’m surprised (from a marketing point of view) they don’t slightly change the marketing and have the “Uniti by Naim” branding (and for that matter “MuSo by Naim”).  Then develop a series of speakers suitable for each level of Uniti ... something small for the Atom, perhaps a larger stand mount for the Star and a floorstander for the Nova.  Then aim to sell (as well as through specialist HiFi stores) through high end “High Street” such as John Lewis, Selfridges and “independents” such as Harrods and Liberty’s.  Try to get at the Bose and B&O market.

Yes exactly - the range is clearly aimed at the lifestyle market as well as to lapsed audiophiles looking for simplicity and a packaged approach should be a no brainer - certainly at the Liberty/Harrods end of the market..

Certainly one area where there is tangible synergies betwee Naim and Focal but I don’t know how deep the cross fertilisation between the two companies goes

Cato posted:

Yes exactly - the range is clearly aimed at the lifestyle market as well as to lapsed audiophiles looking for simplicity and a packaged approach should be a no brainer - certainly at the Liberty/Harrods end of the market..

Certainly one area where there is tangible synergies betwee Naim and Focal but I don’t know how deep the cross fertilisation between the two companies goes

Thinking from a marketing point of view (and not talking as someone with more than a consumer interest in marketing), with a subtle rebranding you could even have Uniti by Naim accompanied by Uniti Speakers by Focal.  

Although it sounds counterintuitive, I suspect it might be easier to sell a £2,500 system with speakers than it is to sell a £1,750 system which a customer needs to add speakers to.

On the marketing side, I would love to see Naim joining forced with Linn, Rega and Chord (and others) to launch the “British HiFi” store.  Positioned in prime space next to Bose stores in the Bull Ring and similar.  Selling more “lifestyle” end of the market... but take the challenge to Bose.  Probably end in bankruptcy but the thread is full of wishful thinking.  

As a similar product... it would be interesting to know what percentage of Arcam Solos were sold with their matching Muso (yes I know!) speakers.

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