Naim price increases April 30th

I have a CDX2 that I bought ex-dem in 2004. Price £1,914 ex VAT. 

I also have a Nova that I bought new last year.  Price £3,499 ex VAT. 

The inflation adjusted 2017 price of the 2004 CDX2 would be £2,761.

The CDX2 does one thing - extremely well.  The Nova does lots of things - very well - for a 27% premium including the the ex-dem vs new differential.

I think that makes the Nova a bargain compared with a 2004 CDX2 and once you strip out the VAT and the ex-dem vs new differential even the 2017 CDX2 doesn’t compare too badly with the 2004 version.

You can’t really blame Naim or anyone else for their strategy (if indeed it is as alleged in this thread), we’ve flocked in droves for the most over-priced consumer electronics products in history - purveyed by a company called Apple.

Olly

 

analogmusic posted:

Theres no need to recommend Naim to friends mango

in all my gear I love most the Chord Mojo. It’s a little box of magic that does what it does with any amplifier. 

 superb r&d from chord engineering created the mojo and it’s all I need to enjoy my music seriously 

Yeah, I hate the idea of a LiIon battery. The qutest is interesting though.

mcjt posted:
MangoMonkey posted:
mcjt posted:
 
MangoMonkey posted:

The stageline is $900. That's just a joke - it was already not super competive at the $500 pricepoint.

Just a rant - I'm not in the market for anything, but can't recommend Naim to any of my friends at these prices.

Or maybe dealers will have a bigger margin and will be expected to give 20% off..

Where are you getting your information? The Stageline sells for US$695.

It's 900 post price increase April 30th.

No, it's not. You're repeating your claim but not offering where you read-heard it. 

@mcjt

Lol. There's no conspiracy here. If you're really a dealer, you'll find out when the new prices come out end of the month. I'll either be right. Or wrong. I would love to be wrong.

You're saying the Nac282 won't be USD $9000 either? I'll fire that particular dealer if the prices he's giving me are wrong. No need to mention his name on the forum.

To be clear - I'm not directing vitriol against anyone in particular here. Nor being judgmental. It was just a rant - at regular increase in price with no increase in quality.

It's a 10% price hike - but I doubt Naim employees have received a 10% pay hike.

£1 costs $1,4 today.

£1 cost $1,25 one year ago.

That's a 12% increase, and on first look it could explain the new price list. But actually it does not, as two years ago £1 cost exactly same as today - $1,4, and I suppose you did not have a currency compensating PRICE DROP on the Naim US price list last year?  

 

I was hanging out for a Nova for no less than a year before it became available. Very happy with its performance. It makes me want to listen to all my stuff all over again and explore lots of new stuff. It together with such as Spotify makes it so easy. 

That said it was a long painful journey while i was waiting, not willing to preorder because early versions always have things to iron out. I have been in development / manufacturing too long to get sucked into preorder scheme. Especially it didn’t even come with any discount! In fact, price had risen several times in the meantime and by significant margins. All within a year. I wish I get this kind of pay rises! 

Those who get naim are obviously very dedicated audiophiles and nothing short of the best is good enough. That’s the only way to justify staying loyal to naim. So many talk about buying second hand stuff and refurnished stuff. Do they even have any warranty? 

Personally, I think software development cost has been a really killer for naim. No insider information or anything, just my own guess based on what fellow naim community members said. And based on how fragile the software side of thing has been. I really want naim to do well and keep pumping out great products. I want my nova to be supported and firmware and app to get upgraded over time to support the latest and future tech. I think naim really needs to get its cost under control. I was so close to giving up in my own case, thanks to my awesome and friendly dealer I made the plunge and bought the nova. 

I know this is a totally unrelated point but the software and network side of thing really leave a lot of room to be desired. For such a premium product, associated to Bentley automotive, one would expect it to just work! Reading about all the work arounds and tips and tricks is really painful. Everyone know Apple charges a premium but their products largely just work. That’s why people are so committed and why it hurts when that’s not the case. 

David N posted:

I know this is a totally unrelated point but the software and network side of thing really leave a lot of room to be desired. 

Glad your wait for the Nova has been worth it, David. I got to listen to my sister's Nova this last weekend - like you, hers had been on back order for over a year. She's equally delighted with it, though barely scratching the surface of its potential with her source material - sounds great with Tidal, happily. Suspect I'll be sorting a NAS and curating a library of high quality source files for her shortly...

I think a distinction needs to be drawn between the iOS and Android control software - most iOS users seem to get on fine with it, with the important caveat (made emphatically by Huge on this forum) that the implementation of network discovery/sockets protocols leaves a great deal to be desired. Like many, I have used Sonos products for donkeys years, and in the last year or two, have never had a problem - currently have 8 of them, and multi-rooming is consistently a hassle free process - bearing in mind I'm also streaming full fat files from Tidal on my Sonos kit. The key difference is that Sonos is a $1b company whilst Naim's turnover is measured in tens of millions of £'s. Interestingly, the Naim website states that:

"Naim Audio are starting on an exciting phase of development for the future of our mobile apps, so we're looking for an enthusiastic and skilled Software Engineer who has particular strengths in Apple technologies to help us realise our vision." 

I'm glad I'm not an Android user, as these unfortunate souls seem to be the ones struggling with app functionality - again primarily around network discovery, but also app stability. 

Like you, I'm keen to see Naim prosper and sustain vigorous ongoing development. In this context, I'm delighted that Naim have invested time to revisit the firmware for legacy streamers such as my Superuniti - I'm currently listening to this, and greatly enjoying its revitalised SQ post firmware update 4.6. It deserves credit for that.

MangoMonkey posted:

Lol. There's no conspiracy here. If you're really a dealer, you'll find out when the new prices come out end of the month. I'll either be right. Or wrong. I would love to be wrong.

You're saying the Nac282 won't be USD $9000 either? I'll fire that particular dealer if the prices he's giving me are wrong. No need to mention his name on the forum.

To be clear - I'm not directing vitriol against anyone in particular here. Nor being judgmental. It was just a rant - at regular increase in price with no increase in quality.

Then I guess you'll be happily wrong. 

Cool. I'll come say Hi to you next time I'm in Montreal/Quebec. What's the name of your store? (You're not with Manu are you?)

I was thinking of upgrading from the 272 to the ndx2 282... But that will have to wait for a couple of years - the opportunity cost is too high to spend that on HiFi

 

MangoMonkey posted:
mcjt posted:
MangoMonkey posted:
mcjt posted:
 
MangoMonkey posted:

The stageline is $900. That's just a joke - it was already not super competive at the $500 pricepoint.

Just a rant - I'm not in the market for anything, but can't recommend Naim to any of my friends at these prices.

Or maybe dealers will have a bigger margin and will be expected to give 20% off..

Where are you getting your information? The Stageline sells for US$695.

It's 900 post price increase April 30th.

No, it's not. You're repeating your claim but not offering where you read-heard it. 

Lol. There's no conspiracy here. If you're really a dealer, you'll find out when the new prices come out end of the month. I'll either be right. Or wrong. I would love to be wrong.

I'll fire that particular dealer if the prices he's giving me are wrong. No need to mention his name on the forum.

You were wrong.

It's May 2018 and the Stageline still sells for $695. 

What are these dealers saying now????

Would like to know their position now that this hasn't come to fruition. They really shouldn't be spreading these kind of rumors, it almost looks like they wanted people to rush and buy Naim products before this so called price increase.

Very unethical, and these dealers should be exposed!!!

mcjt posted:
MangoMonkey posted:
mcjt posted:
MangoMonkey posted:
mcjt posted:
 
MangoMonkey posted:

The stageline is $900. That's just a joke - it was already not super competive at the $500 pricepoint.

Just a rant - I'm not in the market for anything, but can't recommend Naim to any of my friends at these prices.

Or maybe dealers will have a bigger margin and will be expected to give 20% off..

Where are you getting your information? The Stageline sells for US$695.

It's 900 post price increase April 30th.

No, it's not. You're repeating your claim but not offering where you read-heard it. 

Lol. There's no conspiracy here. If you're really a dealer, you'll find out when the new prices come out end of the month. I'll either be right. Or wrong. I would love to be wrong.

I'll fire that particular dealer if the prices he's giving me are wrong. No need to mention his name on the forum.

You were wrong.

It's May 2018 and the Stageline still sells for $695. 

Is that USD or CAD?

mcjt posted:

You were wrong.

It's May 2018 and the Stageline still sells for $695. 

And the 282? Uniti series?
(To be clear -  I'm not questioning you - just asking questions).

Regarding Stageline - I guess Plurison saw this thread and backed down on the stageline. ;-)

@mcjt - what's your store called?

 

Looks like 282 is indeed $9K now. Both the 282 and 300 have gone up by 1K - as has the 500DR.

Here's the big joke - the NDX has gone up another 1K. Much of the uniti stuff another $500.

MCJT - not sure why you've gotten hung up on the stageline. In any case  still overpriced at 700.

Is Plurison trying to kill the brand in the US?

Or maybe raise the prices on the classic series to make the uniti stuff seem great value - folks would just buy the classic series otherwise...

Maybe this is a way to kill classic series off - 

 

MangoMonkey posted:

Here's the big joke - the NDX has gone up another 1K. Much of the uniti stuff another $500.

MCJT - not sure why you've gotten hung up on the stageline. In any case  still overpriced at 700.

 

I'm not hung up on the Stageline. I just don't like people disseminating incorrect information.  

And case in point: The NDX is discontinued. How can the price go up? 

MangoMonkey posted:

Looks like 282 is indeed $9K now. Both the 282 and 300 have gone up by 1K - as has the 500DR.

Here's the big joke - the NDX has gone up another 1K. Much of the uniti stuff another $500.

MCJT - not sure why you've gotten hung up on the stageline. In any case  still overpriced at 700.

Is Plurison trying to kill the brand in the US?

Or maybe raise the prices on the classic series to make the uniti stuff seem great value - folks would just buy the classic series otherwise...

Maybe this is a way to kill classic series off - 

 

The price list for US products still show the 282 at $7995.00. Where are you getting this info from? The 282 has not  gone up anything as of today, nor has any other Naim product since 6/17.

Naim is world class audio, has been for decades. If you can’t afford the new gear keep what you have or upgrade to a nac52 🤗.

if Naim Audio do not make money we wouldn’t have a  forum to complain on. Then where would you go to have a bitch about something you can’t afford???

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