New Kudos Titan 707

The rumours been many but now it's official: Kudos new speaker, Titan 707 will be introduced at the Bristol Hi-Fi Show. 

A smaller one box speaker but with the Titan sound is what to be expected. 

A new reference in its class?

//Jonas

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analogmusic posted:

9 to 12 k?

oh well. 

If one reads CES 2017 stereophile report hi end rooms have much less visitors this year.

How many people are that interested in a 9 to 12 K speaker? Raise your hands please

 

Well, that, and higher, is about the range where speakers that can do deep bass well tend to be found, so very much yes, though not in the market at present, and not saying I'd necessarily be interested in this one.

analogmusic posted:

Dynaudio make x38 and x44 which can do deep bass and cost lot less than 9k

As do others, depending on what one defines as deep - however based on speakers I have heard, I  have a preference for transmission line bass to reflex, and they tend to be more costly to produce (I haven't heard Dynaudios). If I was looking at present ranges of speakers I'd be auditioning PMC Fact 12 and their SE series, though would be happy to include a few others, so why not Dynaudio if feasible - however in practice unless it is an insurance claim I'd expect to be looking at them all secondhand, so not actually spending that sort of amount.

Analogue - I think you're being a little too sceptical.  I think we should be championing the fact that manufacturers are willing to commit to developing high end products that further our indulgence in music.  And yes Dynaudio and others makes tempting alternatives.  It's all good.

Regards,

Lindsay

Hi Lindsay, yes you are right.

It is actually my mistake, I always thought (not sure why, maybe wishful thinking) the T808 was a 10 K speaker it is actually a 20 K speaker.

If we can have titan quality at half the price, this is excellent news and a move in the right direction.

analogmusic posted:

Hi Lindsay, yes you are right.

It is actually my mistake, I always thought (not sure why, maybe wishful thinking) the T808 was a 10 K speaker it is actually a 20 K speaker.

If we can have titan quality at half the price, this is excellent news and a move in the right direction.

You can

The original Titan should not be counted out, an amazing speaker and comparing Dynaudio to Titans just prove you haven't heard the stuff.

We should applause Kudos for bringing us real highend loudspeakers for later technology and knowledge implemented in lower models

Any Ovator/Focal owner should worry

b_lund posted:
an amazing speaker and comparing Dynaudio to Titans just prove you haven't heard the stuff.

 

Have you ever heard the like priced Dynaudio speakers?

I have, the Dynaudio Evidence and Confidence line, are more than a match to the original and current Kudos Titan speakers.

Naim used Dynaudio to show what the Statement amps are capable of!!!!

I never heard a Kudos speaker, but if the T707 is an endgame speaker, then it would generate some interest, as the price of the Titan 808 is 20K, which is 552 preamp level of cost.

On the other hand, only companies which spend lots of money on R&D and make their own drivers like Dynaudio, B&W, ATC, Focal usually achieve the very best results (and charge lots of money for this), which is why Proac is well loved, as they give very good performance, but don't charge an arm, leg, and your shirt for that. Sonus Faber is an exception, but their speakers look like fine italian furniture, but sound absolutely amazing.

If there is one speaker that sounded amazing to my ears it is the Sonus Faber Olympica 2 , but that's a 7000 GBP speaker

I hope the titans can show that Olypmica 2 speaker a clean pair of heels, for this kind of money, it does take one hell of a speaker to beat olympica 2

Not much info around yet apart from the Kudos news page

The Titan 707 is a smaller, single-box version of the flagship 808 loudspeaker that will be affordable to a wider range of budgets.

Expect world-class drive units crafted exclusively for Kudos by renowned Norwegian specialists SEAS; complex cabinetry designed to enable a stunningly life-like sound; Kudos’ trademark minimalist, low order crossover, made possible by seamless matching of all drive units and, like the Titan 808, the ability to run in active mode with high-end systems including both Linn and Devialet.

The 707 is looking more and more interesting. The 808 is rather like a two box C30 so i wonder if the 707 will be the Titan version of the C (S) 20 ?

From somebody who until very recently was  a Dynaudio owner but now in the Kudos camp I would say that both brands work exceptionally well with Naim electronics.  The advantage for me of Kudos was greater fluidity, better definition and easier room integration.   On the other hand in the right surroundings - they like space and power - Dynas are a compelling listen.

Regards,

Lindsay 

I've always been a fan of Kudos speakers, particularly the Titan, but the increase in price of the new 808 version over the original seems excessive. I've not really heard the 808 properly, the room correction with Linn amplification in use at the demo I attended didn't appear to be properly set up.  it's good that the 808s are offered for active use, but a real shame not for Naim amplification.

analogmusic posted:

9 to 12 k?

oh well. 

If one reads CES 2017 stereophile report hi end rooms have much less visitors this year.

How many people are that interested in a 9 to 12 K speaker? Raise your hands please

 

That suits me, more space for us high end owners 

Polarbear posted:
analogmusic posted:

9 to 12 k?

oh well. 

If one reads CES 2017 stereophile report hi end rooms have much less visitors this year.

How many people are that interested in a 9 to 12 K speaker? Raise your hands please

 

That suits me, more space for us high end owners 

Too right PB - Bristol gets far too sweaty.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

From somebody who until very recently was  a Dynaudio owner but now in the Kudos camp I would say that both brands work exceptionally well with Naim electronics.  The advantage for me of Kudos was greater fluidity, better definition and easier room integration.   On the other hand in the right surroundings - they like space and power - Dynas are a compelling listen.

Regards,

Lindsay 

I owned a pair of Countour S3.4 prior to my T88's. I agree with The Strat's summary. Dyn's are a very good speaker and pair well with larger Naim amps- my 250.2 ( at the time ) just did not have the grunt to power them well and would trip due to heat soak regularly. Although a larger speaker, my T88's are a much easier load and played well with the 250.2. More dynamic from top to bottom , as they should be relative to the increased cost. As always, do the demo if possible..

ATB,

Mark

tonym posted:

I've always been a fan of Kudos speakers, particularly the Titan, but the increase in price of the new 808 version over the original seems excessive. I've not really heard the 808 properly, the room correction with Linn amplification in use at the demo I attended didn't appear to be properly set up.  it's good that the 808s are offered for active use, but a real shame not for Naim amplification.

It could be done with Naim amplification, if you were OK with a different source from North of the border.

I would be suprised if this was under £10k.  I suspect it would be more in the £10k to 12k bracket, maybe a touch more.

That leaves room for a T-606 at under £10k.  Model numbers matching the diameter of the bass driver(s).

Also suspect that all the Titans will be isobaric.

Looking forward to hearing the T-707s - hopefully Acoustica will have them at the Chester show in March.

analogmusic posted:

9 to 12 k?

oh well. 

If one reads CES 2017 stereophile report hi end rooms have much less visitors this year.

How many people are that interested in a 9 to 12 K speaker? Raise your hands please

 

Raise, raise... 

Own the Super10, but will have a closer look to the 707 if possible 

analogmusic posted:

9 to 12 k?

oh well. 

If one reads CES 2017 stereophile report hi end rooms have much less visitors this year.

How many people are that interested in a 9 to 12 K speaker? Raise your hands please

 

I's quite a hell of money but  even the so much praised Focal Sopra 2 &3 are 9,5 and 15k+ respectevely.

I never heard a Kudos product, but as far as i see and i can't understand their kind of engineering is probably one of the best possible match with Naim electronics. This new one could be a good substitute for  the now deleted S600 (for the record i' ll keep mine for a long time). 

Regards

Roberto

Innocent Bystander posted:
Jonas Olofsson posted:

With the law of diminishing returns kicking in we can expect to get 85% of the sound of 808 for the price of 60%. 

I wonder what part of the sound they have decided the listener can do without hearing?

Well, the part that's more important than that produced by the Super 20, but less important than that produced by the T-808 of course.  Obvious! 

I heard about these a while back and was very excited at the time by the prospect of an "808-lite" that fits into a smaller listening environment.  I love what the big Titans do but, sadly, can't fit them into my listening room so I'm really looking forward to hearing them and would certainly be in the market for a pair.

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