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On it's own it sounds very good indeed, add an external power supply and it sounds exceptional; I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Even without the external power supply I think it should be a good complement to your SN2 and Spendor A6s.

If that combination is outperforming an NDX for you, then either you had a faulty one, or, more likely, it's due to differences in system balance and your personal taste - i.e. the NDX for some reason didn't suit the characteristics of your particular combination of Exposure amplification and Focal speakers in your room, or the final resulting sonic character didn't fit well with your personal preferences for music presentation,

The NDX isn't "embarrassingly bad", but like every HiFi product, it won't suit every system, in every room, for every person.

Paul Downs posted:

The new NDX2 will hopefully be a darn site better than the embarrassingly bad NDX. I sold mine in the end and bought a source which is so much better for an eighth of the price.

Oh the hyperbole of both this and the Munich thread is so tiring at times. Both threads have nearly become unreadable by the overblown nonsense spouted by a few.

Let's get it all out of our system shall we.

The NDX2 makes the NDX sound broken. The ND555 makes the NDS sound broken. The Chord Donald T makes the ND555 sound broken. The $120K Bobbledy Boo 5000 makes the Chord sound broken. And a $50 Alba micro system's CD player from an early 90's Argos catalogue puts all the above "embarrassingly" bad piles of crap to shame. It's not an opinion, it's a fact - trust me I know so bigly. My fat wallet that allows me to buy all these things on a whim is directly proportional to my IQ and knowledge of hifi.

Maybe that will exorcise some demons (or trolls) so we can move on with more interesting duscussion.

Gazza posted:

We are all waiting with baited breath for you to start this magnificent discussion?

I'm just amazed we got to 14 pages on a thread relating to products that are not available yet and that so few have heard. 

I feel at this stage, a real discussion has left the building some time ago.

@Paul Downs, sorry. I did unfairly pick on you. I just felt like that NDX coment was the cherry on the cake in the larger pool of hyperbole which definately includes non Naim targets too (if you read the Munich thread). 

Paul Downs posted:

The new NDX2 will hopefully be a darn site better than the embarrassingly bad NDX. I sold mine in the end and bought a source which is so much better for an eighth of the price.

Are you interested in the NDX2, given how 'embarrassingly bad' its predecessor apparently is?

feeling_zen posted:
Huge posted:

I take your "$50 Alba micro system's CD player from an early 90's Argos catalogue" and raise you a $5 Japanese portable AM radio from the 1960s!

Does the crystal radio set I had when I was 10 count?

  Touché, you win!  

feeling_zen posted:

I'm just amazed we got to 14 pages on a thread relating to products that are not available yet and that so few have heard. 

I feel at this stage, a real discussion has left the building some time ago.

That's the most sensible contribution I've seen to this thread for some weeks.

Paul Downs posted:

You’ve got to love it when you dare to challenge a Naim product and get called a troll. Oh I do love Naimies!

I did try to be fair and reasonable - it's equally not fair to brand us all as sheep (and I used to have an Exposure CD player, until it died).

Harry posted:
feeling_zen posted:

I'm just amazed we got to 14 pages on a thread relating to products that are not available yet and that so few have heard. 

I feel at this stage, a real discussion has left the building some time ago.

That's the most sensible contribution I've seen to this thread for some weeks.

Maybe just it's those of us who haven't been fortunate enough to hear all of the new lineup wanting to get opinions from those of us who have.

Huge posted:
feeling_zen posted:
Huge posted:

I take your "$50 Alba micro system's CD player from an early 90's Argos catalogue" and raise you a $5 Japanese portable AM radio from the 1960s!

Does the crystal radio set I had when I was 10 count?

  Touché, you win!  

But only if you built it yourself, and with a galena crtpystal not a germanium diode.

Harry posted:
feeling_zen posted:

I'm just amazed we got to 14 pages on a thread relating to products that are not available yet and that so few have heard. 

I feel at this stage, a real discussion has left the building some time ago.

That's the most sensible contribution I've seen to this thread for some weeks.

I received some flak a couple of years ago for observing on a similar thread that it was interesting to see people forming such strong opinions on something that none of them had heard - and that I had seen the same pattern on here on several other occasions previously 

Innocent Bystander posted:
Huge posted:
feeling_zen posted:
Huge posted:

I take your "$50 Alba micro system's CD player from an early 90's Argos catalogue" and raise you a $5 Japanese portable AM radio from the 1960s!

Does the crystal radio set I had when I was 10 count?

  Touché, you win!  

But only if you built it yourself, and with a galena crtpystal not a germanium diode.

Yes to the first. No to the second.

But it still made my current pile of crap system sound broken.

feeling_zen posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
Huge posted:
feeling_zen posted:
Huge posted:

I take your "$50 Alba micro system's CD player from an early 90's Argos catalogue" and raise you a $5 Japanese portable AM radio from the 1960s!

Does the crystal radio set I had when I was 10 count?

  Touché, you win!  

But only if you built it yourself, and with a galena crtpystal not a germanium diode.

Yes to the first. No to the second.

But it still made my current pile of crap system sound broken.

In that case your victory is incomplete - I withdraw my previous commendation! 

I do have my dad’s post ww2 portable valve radio, looks like. Mini suitcase, requires a 6v and a 90v battery. Does that beat the hifi I made out of a tin of beans and a camp fire (can in fire, unopened)?

some time I intend to test said radio (10 PP3s in series should do fir the HT).. It’ll either make everything else sound broken - or it will itself, the sound of capacitors exploding.

Alba1320 posted:
Paul Downs posted:

The new NDX2 will hopefully be a darn site better than the embarrassingly bad NDX. I sold mine in the end and bought a source which is so much better for an eighth of the price.

Are you interested in the NDX2, given how 'embarrassingly bad' its predecessor apparently is?

Alba, my response wasn’t to you. I would maybe be interested in the NDX2 but I would certainly try it and compare it to other brands too.

The source combo I have now is punching ridiculously above its weight though, so it would have to be seriously good for me to entertain it.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

IB, if you have not powered up the radio in many many years, do take care... it might explode..some times in such a situation it’s best to power up slowly bringing up the HT.

Yes, aware of that, but the caution is appreciated in case I hadn’t been, and starting off the HT low is a good tip I hadn’t thought of.

Not sure when I will try: it was last used early 1960s, and I’ve had it for 30 years since my dad died! Just one of those things to do one day...

Guinnless posted:
Paul Downs posted:

Cambridge Audio CXC CD Transport with a Beresford Caiman SEG DAC, in a different league better than the NDX in all ways.

I might have missed something here but are you comparing a network player (NDX)  to a CD Transport and DAC? 

Nothing missed, I also compared it to my CDX2 too, which it also bettered. I always preferred the sound of the CDX2 to the NDX which just sounded bright and unpleasant in comparison.

I sold both Naim products and enjoy my music more.

French Rooster posted:

the beresford / cambridge is a 700 GBP combo.  If it sounds better than the cdx2 and ndx2,  7 times more expensive, this combo is the best bargain in the entire audio history !   something must  be wrong...  perhaps is time to see an ENT specialist ?

I have heard folks saying similar things before with the lavry... and some even said the lavry was 5 - 10 times better than the beresford...

Frank Yang posted:
French Rooster posted:

the beresford / cambridge is a 700 GBP combo.  If it sounds better than the cdx2 and ndx2,  7 times more expensive, this combo is the best bargain in the entire audio history !   something must  be wrong...  perhaps is time to see an ENT specialist ?

I have heard folks saying similar things before with the lavry... and some even said the lavry was 5 - 10 times better than the beresford...

sometimes, on unbalanced systems, less resolving sources can sound easier and more pleasant for the ears....and one can think it is better.   The same for amps:  in some contexts, a nait 5i can sound more musical than a 282/250 combo.    

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