New to naim and forum. Please help get it right.

Bonjour all
French national living in beautiful south east England. Heard about naim a decade ago when a naim friend got me the bug (he bought SU with unitiserve)

Wanted to introduce myself. I am going to take the plunge after a decade of just testing and looking/reading.
I have in my sight a qute2 with kef ls50 on custom design stand. A nap 100 later when finance available. No idea of cables but perhaps tellurium q or chord epic/odyssey. My room is small and budget smaller. Can get all the above for 2k (1750 for qute2 and ls50).
Read lots of input in this forum. Don't agree that qute can't drive ls50 and the nap100 will certainly improve things.

Beside saying hello to all of you, will appreciate feedback on cables and anything that could improve such setting and protect it (conditionner?)

If you really think I could do better or should not make the move now for any reason, be my guest but that's pretty much where my heart and purse is. Would love an SU but too much for me. For my fifties perhaps :-)
I always liked the qute as you can build on it. Most important, I love the sound and works for me more than anything else in that price range and sometimes above. Hegel interested me but naim ecosystem/help/network is a winner.  The nap100 is a joy and sometimes I wonder if that's not what I should buy and link it to a cheap streamer/pre-amp. Merci in d'avance for your comments, patience with me and keep well

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Welcome. I've no idea about the Kefs and whether or not a Qute can drive them, but the Qute is certainly lovely. My instinct was to suggest that if you are already thinking about adding a 100, you should go for a used 172/155 in the first place, but from what you say I think this will be too expensive. 

 

Regarding cables, I'd have a look at Tellurium Blue, or Naim's own NAC A5. Don't forget that you can pick up cables second hand for very good prices, for example my Tellurium Black cost £400 new but I bought them used for under £150. If you are buying the equipment new from a dealer, you can often get a good deal on the cables. 

Bienvenue sur le forum Naim, vous trouverez beaucoup d'amis utiles et bien informes ici.

 

The KEF LS50 is a nice little speaker, I heard them only 2 weeks ago at a friends new apartment, powered by a Cyrus amp & streaming system. I thought they were very impressive for a small speaker  but most impressive was the imaging.  The Cyrus amp (I believe) is 40 watts,  so not so far away from the Qute 30 watts,  but I would imagine a Qute2 would be close to the limits.

The only way is to arrange a dealer demo & try it yourself.   It might be perfect especially if you do not have too much volume in your small room.  Also adding a NAP100 at a later date is very possible & then you have a really nice system, perfect for a small environment but well able to be happy in a larger room.

Speaker cables is really a matter of what will better suit your environment,  NACA5 is the recommended cable for all Naim,  but its one problem is that its is stiff.  TQ Blue, Chord Odyssey ........ so many to choose from. 

Keep posting on how your quest is progressing.

Hi Crabby,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

As you know HiFi is all about synergy, not only of your gear but how it interacts with your room, this makes the whole exercise somewhat subjective.

 

There are a lot of users who love the Qute, and the LS50 has garnered a LOT of praise ....that does not mean they will work together, or that they will work in your room.

 

The primary advise I would give would be to work with a dealer who will lend you the equipment for you to try at home ...£2k is still a lot of money.

 

Naim offers you some advantages ....and some disadvantages.

 

Advantages:

1. Nationwide dealer network and ready availability

2. Very active forum

    This means that you can get advice from a community who are using your equipment.

3. Well made equipment that stands the test of time

    Retains value and is available to buy 2nd hand.

4. Good sound quality

    See below.

5. Ready upgrade path

    As your wallet and tastes expand

 

Disadvantages:

 

1. Ready Upgrade Path

    Naim almost builds in an upgrade itch.

2. Very active forum

    Supports the upgrade itch.

 

 

Sound Quality

I think that Naim can deliver some great sound quality at a number of price points. I would emphasise the importance of a good dealer.

 

Whether you get caught up on the upgrade conveyor belt depends on a number of factors ....it can be am interesting journey. Some people get to a system that simply meets there enjoyment needs and settle back to enjoy the music .....one gent who uses Quad ESL57s with a NAP100 spring to mind.

 

Be interested to hear how this works out for you.

 

M

 

P.S. There is another current thread here where the poster is using LS50s.

 

 

Thank you both for such a nice reply. I am already grateful for the feedback and you reminded me that should ask a good deal on cables :-). I will get to try qute2 both cables with nap 100 this Saturday...I already heard it last week (and discounted Proac 118 as a result) but very briefly. This Saturday is the real deal...

Welcome to the forum!

 

Like many before me, I've not heard the Qute/NAP100 driving the Kef speakers so I'll limit my comments to your cable question. In the past Naim used to insist that their amps be used with Naim NAC A5 cable (because of the electrical properties of their cable) but this has changed over the years.

 

My personal experience is that Chord Epic Twin works very well as a NAC A5 substitute though it costs twice as much.

 

Hope this helps.

One other thing..... You say in your last post that you will be looking at the Qute AND 100 this week. If you really are in a position to buy both now, don't forget that you can buy a used SuperUniti for the same price, and it will have a lot more power to get those little speakers working. You may of course prefer the Qute/100, but it is good to consider a number of options. 

Bonjour Crabby,

 

As good as the Qute2 is, I too would have concerns as to how well it can drive the LS50s - evidence suggests that they're not such an easy speaker to drive.  The Qute2 will certainly be able to drive them , but I doubt it'll get the best out of them.  One advantage of buying new is that it justifies a dealer spending time with you and allowing you to listen to several different types of speaker.

 

One of the things about speakers is that even very well regarded speakers can have a completely different presentation of music, can sound very different, and can work better or less well with different genres of music.

 

In your position I'd take advantage of Naim's dealer position and ask them to recommend at least two other types of speaker for you to try in the demo.  Tell the dealer the size of your room and how it's furnished and take advantage of their expertise.  Most Naim dealers have been in the business quite a long time and are knowledgeable and enthusiastic.

 

If you are set on the LS50's, then I think HH's idea of a second-hand SuperUniti is a very good one.

I can't possibly thank you all one by one but I certainly think it. I have been reading your comments and it did comfort my choice and made me think. Like I said, the risk is for me to always stay on the side watching.
Key rules of the game (for me):
- I like the kef and they fit in my small room and pass the wife test (I know I know :-) happy wife happy life). Seriously, I love them and for 640 pounds new, nothing comes close
- please don't judge me too harsh but after 10 years, I don't want second hand for my first system. Not logical but that's how it is for now. Call it mid life crisis if you wish
- I am listening to qute with nap100 but can't afford the nap yet. It just means that I can start with qute and get it in 1-2 years. Knowing me, a year probably :-)
- Cable: very grateful as you also confirmed my options. I will try to get them discounted or during sales. I will also test them at home
- testing system at home: good advice indeed so will apply.
-SU: of course I will love to have that baby or the XS. However, at 2-3 times the price, I can't justify it now. however, that's the point that is making me stop the most and think. Conclusion, I may want to listen to SU with kef ls50 now to hear the ls50 true potential.
- upgrade itch, I don't want to go there and if I do, it will not be that soon. Why? Because if I put 2k in hifi, that's very serious money for me and I love what the qute does.

The way I am seeing this is the qute and kef at that price is a good start and can become multi room with SU in couple of years. My flat is small and I can't play too loud. Let's face it, a qute and especially a nap100 will be more than adequate. I can't get more second hand but not interested for now even if doesn't seem logical. Mid like crisis again :-)
I moved my listening session to the 17th. You guys made me think and that's good. I am trying to be firm while keeping an open mind. That's very hard

Seriously, many thanks and you just confirmed why I want naim. I will keep you posted and check that kef ls50 post

Kef LS50 is a good one and loved by many. Personally when I auditioned it hooked up to the Rega Brio-R amp/Apollo-R CDP I much preferred the Kef R300. It is a bit more expensive (it is a 3-way design) but is spec'd better at the low end and is more efficient. Best of all I thought it really boogies (in comparison)!

There is a lot to love about a UQ2, chief among them is the spectacular array of inputs in a single box.  The UQ2 puts the fun back in functionality and it is all there at your fingertips.    But the single box is a big part of it.  We passed on the KEF in favor of the efficient Blumenstein Thrasher for efficiency and price, and it just happened to rock those 30 watts in a great way.  

 

I could live with it as my only Naim system, but I agree with HH.  The SuperUniti is a great unit.  Be sure you get enough power to make you happy, even if you need to buy S/H.

Crabby, if you are anywhere near Hythe, Kent - I have just bought NAP 300DR, NAC 252 + Supercap with B&W 804d speakers running with my ND5 XS +PS and Musical Fidelity CD player 170.1 (used as a transport into the ND5 XS DAC) all for the pleasure of enjoying my 11,000+ CD collection. 

 

In the interests of Entente Cordiale you're welcome to drop in for a demo anytime.  

Hi Crabby,

Bit of a left- field suggestion but have you considered pre-owned? I don't know how easy it is for you to get to St Albans (still SE England) but Tom Tom Audio generally have a great selection and I have found James incredibly helpful. There is normally a guarantee and the stuff generally looks and sounds as good as new. Their website has lots of info.

Good hunting

Steve

Greetings Crabby,

 

As others have stated, the importance of a good dealer cannot be overstated. It's the great freebie which comes with Naim browsing and ownership. Good Naim dealers have a wealth of experience.

 

Inevitably, as individual customers, we have limited experience and can have fixed opinions on the strength of a single very good or very bad listening experience. A poor sounding room can kill just about anything!

 

A good dealer will listen; let you listen (ideally at home), and steer you straight.

 

Good luck.

 

John.

 

 

Hi I have the Qute2, nap100 and LS50s,it sounds phenomenal and I listen to all different types of music I never dreamed I would listen to. I bought my Qute and LS50s new from a dealer who was fantastic, I bought my Nap100 used and it gives much more power and lots more bass , I am in the process of upgrading my cable to NACA5 as recommended by the forum , the system looks really cool as well which makes it even cooler. Get some heavy bass on the LS50s and watch them boom!!! Best bit of money I have ever spent, also stream from Tidal at HIFI quality which is immense ,take care Paul

I have Qute 1 and NAP110 into Ls50's. Great sounding and looking speakers (my wife called them 'sexy' - mission complete!). Be sure to have really heavy stands. New stands really tamed the boomy bass I was having if you have to have them near a wall. Mine are only nine inches from rear wall and a short sidewall coming out to an opening six inches to the right of one of them. Small room 11X17 that adjoins a similar dining room and then so on to kitchen. So old house with an open layout, and not that large. Speakers face into the living room from the side. Just has to be for now but if remodel in planning happens then things will change.

 

Anyway, it took a lot to tame them. They take awhile to burn in, a good 30 hours plus. I have the half bungs inserted now. Also new stands and careful (but not precise) positioning. Its a small room shared by children (well ruled mostly) so I do a lot of low level, late night listening, as well as the occasional dance party on the sofa. These speakers shine with that, world, reggae, jazz, voice. They will rock, but if you want stadium level chest thumping you'll need a lot more power (and ears, in my case). Jazz, esp Van Gelder produced remasters, is sublime. Shankar's Chants of India, Ram, LCD Sound System, Ting Tings, Discreet Music, Buena Vista Social Club, Kaya, Sorcerer, Future Days, all sound fantastic. Classical not really my thing but I might want something a bit more relaxed, maybe a valve amp. I'm running mine through a DAC V1 as well, so YMMV. My CB NAP 110 after rebuild really shines. Its about the same power as the UQ but takes off the edge and gives it PRAT in spades. 

Great speakers for what they cost imo. 

Originally Posted by AndyP19:

       

Crabby, if you are anywhere near Hythe, Kent - I have just bought NAP 300DR, NAC 252 + Supercap with B&W 804d speakers running with my ND5 XS +PS and Musical Fidelity CD player 170.1 (used as a transport into the ND5 XS DAC) all for the pleasure of enjoying my 11,000+ CD collection. 

 

In the interests of Entente Cordiale you're welcome to drop in for a demo anytime.  


       

Ha ha ha you guys made me smile with the French references. It is a joy to be French in the uk as I have that all day at work. On a serious note, I will gladly accept the invite even if we are not that close (Tunbridge wells). I will need to get set up first. Merci for the gesture, appreciated.
Originally Posted by SAT:

       

Hi Crabby,

Bit of a left- field suggestion but have you considered pre-owned? I don't know how easy it is for you to get to St Albans (still SE England) but Tom Tom Audio generally have a great selection and I have found James incredibly helpful. There is normally a guarantee and the stuff generally looks and sounds as good as new. Their website has lots of info.

Good hunting

Steve


       

I will have a look Merci. Second hand not priority but may interest me for the nap100
Originally Posted by Manu:

       

Salut Crabby, bienvenue sur le forum.

 

From another French expat, living in Canada, but spending most of his time in the USA.


       

What can I say, a truly international community....impressive. Salutations :-)
Originally Posted by Paul Rodgers:

       
Hi I have the Qute2, nap100 and LS50s,it sounds phenomenal and I listen to all different types of music I never dreamed I would listen to. I bought my Qute and LS50s new from a dealer who was fantastic, I bought my Nap100 used and it gives much more power and lots more bass , I am in the process of upgrading my cable to NACA5 as recommended by the forum , the system looks really cool as well which makes it even cooler. Get some heavy bass on the LS50s and watch them boom!!! Best bit of money I have ever spent, also stream from Tidal at HIFI quality which is immense ,take care Paul

       

Hi Paul, without reducing one second the input of anyone on this website, your post is the first glimpse of light I had about my initial thinking process. You re-assured me greatly and I will ask you for more input if possible. Do you feel that your qute suffered initially or sometimes with kef ls50 with nap100 as you seem very happy. I have been looking at other naim combination yesterday night until 1am (XS, unitilite, SU,...). All options very expensive for me. The lite tempting but not impressed. Let me know if you use a nas too or mainly streaming. I am not sorted yet but you certainly helped too.
Originally Posted by charlesphoto:

       

I have Qute 1 and NAP110 into Ls50's. Great sounding and looking speakers (my wife called them 'sexy' - mission complete!). Be sure to have really heavy stands. New stands really tamed the boomy bass I was having if you have to have them near a wall. Mine are only nine inches from rear wall and a short sidewall coming out to an opening six inches to the right of one of them. Small room 11X17 that adjoins a similar dining room and then so on to kitchen. So old house with an open layout, and not that large. Speakers face into the living room from the side. Just has to be for now but if remodel in planning happens then things will change.

 

Anyway, it took a lot to tame them. They take awhile to burn in, a good 30 hours plus. I have the half bungs inserted now. Also new stands and careful (but not precise) positioning. Its a small room shared by children (well ruled mostly) so I do a lot of low level, late night listening, as well as the occasional dance party on the sofa. These speakers shine with that, world, reggae, jazz, voice. They will rock, but if you want stadium level chest thumping you'll need a lot more power (and ears, in my case). Jazz, esp Van Gelder produced remasters, is sublime. Shankar's Chants of India, Ram, LCD Sound System, Ting Tings, Discreet Music, Buena Vista Social Club, Kaya, Sorcerer, Future Days, all sound fantastic. Classical not really my thing but I might want something a bit more relaxed, maybe a valve amp. I'm running mine through a DAC V1 as well, so YMMV. My CB NAP 110 after rebuild really shines. Its about the same power as the UQ but takes off the edge and gives it PRAT in spades. 

Great speakers for what they cost imo. 


       

Your post is like it was me writing it. Same small room size and potential usage. I am also greatful that you share your experience with me. I am hoping not to use the bungs but will see how they react. Planning to invest on beautiful custom design stand. Nearly went atacama Moseco 6 but love custom design and how they sound/look on it. Merci sir
Hi all, I received so many replies that I am struggling to reply to all of you. Rest assured I am really grateful for each one. Don't laugh but I don't yet understand how to use the buttons. I can see a printer sign but rest not obvious. Left to right seems to be 1. Thank you button? 2. No idea 3. No idea 4. Printer sign 5. Not clear, to use when you want to reply to the post without re-quoting 6. Reply with re-quoting ?
Feel like an idiot asking but hopefully I will ask once
Keep well
Amine
Hi , don't get too hung up on the finite detail, I am really happy with what I have bought , I spent an hour listening to a really high end system at a demo night a couple of weeks ago at my local dealer for a system which was 10x more expensive than mine and didn't notice the difference , maybe I don't want to hear the difference but my system still cost me nearly £3k which is a lot of money , do what you think is right for you and the placebo effect will take care of  everything

Take care
Paul
Originally Posted by Paul Rodgers:

       
Hi , don't get too hung up on the finite detail, I am really happy with what I have bought , I spent an hour listening to a really high end system at a demo night a couple of weeks ago at my local dealer for a system which was 10x more expensive than mine and didn't notice the difference , maybe I don't want to hear the difference but my system still cost me nearly £3k which is a lot of money , do what you think is right for you and the placebo effect will take care of  everything

Take care
Paul

       

Amen to that. Keep well
Latest update. I heard superuniti this we with kef ls50. No need to say that it was impressive but somehow not right with the kef. Possible that it was due to room and other factors (speaker cables chord epic which don't sound the same as TQ black. Bottom line, I am back to qute2. I will get the nap at a later date.
If I had the kind of money to get the SU even on second hand, I will probably buy a Hegel h160 for 2k new. No offence to current SU owner. I believe the qute is quite special because of that ratio of quality to value. This was true about the uniti bigger brothers few years ago but steep price hikes makes it otherwise for me. I am not here to start a debate, just saying that naim is more expensive now.
I am just excited to get to the finish line this Saturday...
Anyone can recommend a good place to get tellurium q black with a discount. Thinking 2m each side
I will also be investing into an AV rack, thinking custom design or quadraspire. I need big size aka over 1200mm Advice welcome too based on what you own or experienced
Merci to all again for being there in this journey...
A
Took the plunge this last week end after listening to qute plus nap. Decided to take the kef ls50 with qute only. I will look at the nap100 or even nap200 going forward. Was very exciting moment for me after all these years and recent weeks. Will give more feedback when I set it up. Still need to buy cables (TQ black probably or vandenhul or chord odyssey2). Custom design stand and AV stand to follow...
Merci to all for your help in the process... Much appreciated
Bonjour all, my titanium grey kef ls50 and UQ2 arrived at dealer and will pick them up this we. I will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

The nap100 or 200 Will come later and second hand probably. I will worry about interconnect then.
Custom design stand it will be
Keep well
Originally Posted by Crabby:
... will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

Linn k20 (similar to naca5) top VFM, use it myself. Minimum length is enough to get from the amp to your speaker (x2), any less and you are in trouble!

Originally Posted by Crabby:
Bonjour all, my titanium grey kef ls50 and UQ2 arrived at dealer and will pick them up this we. I will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

The nap100 or 200 Will come later and second hand probably. I will worry about interconnect then.
Custom design stand it will be
Keep well

I had Odyssey on my Qute 2 and then Supernait 2 and it was good, certainly better than other lower priced Chords I had on the Qute.  I changed it to TQ Black which was clearly better.

Originally Posted by dayjay:

       
Originally Posted by Crabby:
Bonjour all, my titanium grey kef ls50 and UQ2 arrived at dealer and will pick them up this we. I will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

The nap100 or 200 Will come later and second hand probably. I will worry about interconnect then.
Custom design stand it will be
Keep well

I had Odyssey on my Qute 2 and then Supernait 2 and it was good, certainly better than other lower priced Chords I had on the Qute.  I changed it to TQ Black which was clearly better.


       

Thank you for this. How better the TQ was. Is it really worth the extra money?
Originally Posted by hafler3o:

       
Originally Posted by Crabby:
... will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

Linn k20 (similar to naca5) top VFM, use it myself. Minimum length is enough to get from the amp to your speaker (x2), any less and you are in trouble!


       

Merci for this. Did you mean double the current standard betwem amp and speaker. If they are one metre from each other, I need 2m cable for each speaker?
Originally Posted by Crabby:
Merci for this. Did you mean double the current standard betwem amp and speaker. If they are one metre from each other, I need 2m cable for each speaker?

There is no standard for an item such as the UnitiQute, just buy the length you need to get the music into those speakers. I bought 5m per side so I would not be 'caught out' by a furniture / room move. So far I have not moved into a Chateau or the local lighthouse so 5m is plenty!

Hi - I have Totem Dreamcatchers with my Qute and its a fine combination in my opinion.  I wanted the speakers to be small (they are on a boat!)- I tried some Arcams (in fact bought them and they are now on my kitchen Sonos) but the Dreamcatchers were very much better and I decided they would fit after all.

 

Totem are small manufacturer but I have always liked them every time I have listened.

Originally Posted by Crabby:
Originally Posted by dayjay:

       
Originally Posted by Crabby:
Bonjour all, my titanium grey kef ls50 and UQ2 arrived at dealer and will pick them up this we. I will demo at home some speaker cables: chord odyssey, clearway, TQ black and van den hul.
Prices are not the same at all as you can tell.
1. Anyone tried these ?
2. Is there a minimum length?
3. Happy to consider other alternative even if point 1 does it for me

The nap100 or 200 Will come later and second hand probably. I will worry about interconnect then.
Custom design stand it will be
Keep well

I had Odyssey on my Qute 2 and then Supernait 2 and it was good, certainly better than other lower priced Chords I had on the Qute.  I changed it to TQ Black which was clearly better.


       

Thank you for this. How better the TQ was. Is it really worth the extra money?

I haven't heard the TQ Black on the Qute, but on the SN2 the TQ Black is much better than the Chord and probably one of the best upgrades I have made - well worth the money in my view and you can find used lengths on ebay to help keep the cost down  - if you don't like it you'll have no problem getting your money back.

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