New Turntable

The Strat (Fender) posted:

We really must nail this myth that a Linn LP12 has this golden synergy with Naim.  It wasn’t true in the 80s and isn’t now.   Of course it remains an excellent deck albeit completely different to its 70/80s forbears.   But to all the disciples out there how many have conducted a meaningful comparison in recent years against the opposition?

Good point Lindsay.

Yes, okay, I confess.  I'm a fan of the Linn LP12, having owned 2 of them over the years.  Yet I preferred the Roksan Xerxes 20+ (at equivalent cost, an important consideration with versions of the LP12) when I made a back-to-back comparison using the same cartridge and Naim system. 

A few years later the new baby Vertere turntable & arm sounded musically more rewarding to these cloth ears than my then top spec Xerxes.

The Well Tempered Versalex somehow manages to make music in a far more beguiling way than I would have thought possible, judging by looks alone.  Yes, I rather like what it does, though not to the extent (or cost) of a high spec Xerxes or Vertere.

Finally, if you have the right support for it, the Rega 10 with Alpheta 2 (or even Aphaleon) represents tremendous value for money and plays captivating, proper music. Can it compare with an equivalently priced new LP12?  No, it sounded better than that to me.

Have I actually heard these decks?  Ummm, guilty m'Lord.

p.s. I still like the LP12 in most of its guises though!

Best regards, FT

Bob the Builder posted:

I would also echo the sentiments above there is no value in buying a Rega RP1 and a Rega Fono Mini and expecting it to sound better than a £4,000 Naim digital source like a CDX or an NDX just because it is a record player there is no magic at work it will only sound better of you invest the right amount of time and money.

Nice post by Bob and I would also add that for those looking to enter the vinyl realm with exclusively new LPs the experience may fall short of expectations, In your case Mr Frog, since you have a collection of vintage vinyl, those LPs (assuming in good condition) are worthy of gear commensurate with your digital side, otherwise you may be let down (as you've indicated). I don't have experience with LP12s and there is some commitment to maintenance via a dealer associated with them. Rega decks are a good alternative as they're pretty much set and forget. My only caveat would be to not necessarily get tied to a Rega cart. I've found cheaper carts that readily outperform those from Rega on their decks. Any dealer ought to have such cart options on hand. In short, it's as much about the cart as the deck, and be sure to demo with vintage vinyl as opposed to strictly recent pressings.

Foot tapper posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

We really must nail this myth that a Linn LP12 has this golden synergy with Naim.  It wasn’t true in the 80s and isn’t now.   Of course it remains an excellent deck albeit completely different to its 70/80s forbears.   But to all the disciples out there how many have conducted a meaningful comparison in recent years against the opposition?

Good point Lindsay.

Yes, okay, I confess.  I'm a fan of the Linn LP12, having owned 2 of them over the years.  Yet I preferred the Roksan Xerxes 20+ (at equivalent cost, an important consideration with versions of the LP12) when I made a back-to-back comparison using the same cartridge and Naim system. 

A few years later the new baby Vertere turntable & arm sounded musically more rewarding to these cloth ears than my then top spec Xerxes.

The Well Tempered Versalex somehow manages to make music in a far more beguiling way than I would have thought possible, judging by looks alone.  Yes, I rather like what it does, though not to the extent (or cost) of a high spec Xerxes or Vertere.

Finally, if you have the right support for it, the Rega 10 with Alpheta 2 (or even Aphaleon) represents tremendous value for money and plays captivating, proper music. Can it compare with an equivalently priced new LP12?  No, it sounded better than that to me.

Have I actually heard these decks?  Ummm, guilty m'Lord.

p.s. I still like the LP12 in most of its guises though!

Best regards, FT

I fully agree with Foot Taper and Lindsay. I have the RP10/Aphelion/Aria setup with SL RCA to DIN  (full SL in fact) and it’s vinyl heaven for me. Whoever says vinyl is second rate to CD or other digital sources just hasn’t heard it at its best.

Cracks and pops don’t get noticed when the setup is spot on. Bad timing makes surface imperfections much more noticeable so get an RCM, but equally double the spacing between Power Supplies and brain boxes and all your sources will sound much more amazing because the timing becomes spot on.

I have been playing Clannad, Cream and Mike Oldfield on this wet day in the UK. These sounded really good before, but now the timing is prefect they sound transformed to another level and I wonder whether I am listening to the same music.

I have lots of CDs as well but vinyl is still magical. It has taken me 23 months to get my system to where it now is.

I wish Mr Frog well with his return to vinyl. He will not be disappointed with a top Rega system (even RP8). It leaves money to spend on other parts of the system and time to get the Naim setup right without worrying about calling out the specialist LP12 dealer.

I have a Thoren TD 124 Mk 2 with the RP8 arm and Dynavector DV10x5 as well which was restored and replinthed by Loricraft, and despite the price difference for the cartridges it is really good and a tenth of the price of the Aphelion. I can’t comment on the comparison between Rega and others cartridges.

Phil

Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

Besides listening to an album in its entirety, those with digital/streaming will have the health benefit of the extra exercise. It seems to passive my vivoactive HR watch!

Enjoy the return to vinyl!

Phil

Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

There's nothing to stop you listening to an album all the way through when playing from a digital source. I haven't lost that habit. I scarcely ever play odd tracks and don't have any playlists either on my NDS or iPhone. 

Clive B posted:
Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

There's nothing to stop you listening to an album all the way through when playing from a digital source. I haven't lost that habit. I scarcely ever play odd tracks and don't have any playlists either on my NDS or iPhone. 

I agree with you totally Clive, I always prefer listening to albums in their entirety for a whole variety of reasons, streaming never changed that habit, strangely it probably reinforced it. 

Stevee_S posted:
Clive B posted:
Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

There's nothing to stop you listening to an album all the way through when playing from a digital source. I haven't lost that habit. I scarcely ever play odd tracks and don't have any playlists either on my NDS or iPhone. 

I agree with you totally Clive, I always prefer listening to albums in their entirety for a whole variety of reasons, streaming never changed that habit, strangely it probably reinforced it. 

Me too, if anything vinyl is the medium where I’m most likely to only play half an album, that moment when the first side makes you think of something else and you change album instead of turning over. But pretty much every time I play the album through on all media.

dave marshall posted:
Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

Except for, of course, having to stop halfway through, to turn it over! 

Sorry, couldn't help myself. 

Ha! True that, but I'm pretty energetic, I don't think I'll mind bouncing up and giving it a flip.

Clive B posted:
Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

There's nothing to stop you listening to an album all the way through when playing from a digital source. I haven't lost that habit. I scarcely ever play odd tracks and don't have any playlists either on my NDS or iPhone. 

True Clive, it's a bad habit of mine born of instant gratification. Before I left vinyl I found that when I loved the whole album I'd buy it on vinyl and would listen to it in its entirety fairly often, but over the last ten years or so with digital I added individual songs instead of whole albums. I definitely tended to do that with albums that had one or two greats songs on it and the rest was lackluster and then it became a habit to just add tracks one by one. Remember when a CD was $16USD and you ended up liking just one or two songs on the disc? 

I most often liked albums of live recordings best because they rendered a full performance. I do find that, even in digital, when I buy and play live albums, I still buy and play them in their entirety.

Eoink posted:
Stevee_S posted:
Clive B posted:
Clemenza posted:

Just reading with interest. I'd looove to get back into vinyl. You know what I miss? Listening to an album in its entirety.

There's nothing to stop you listening to an album all the way through when playing from a digital source. I haven't lost that habit. I scarcely ever play odd tracks and don't have any playlists either on my NDS or iPhone. 

I agree with you totally Clive, I always prefer listening to albums in their entirety for a whole variety of reasons, streaming never changed that habit, strangely it probably reinforced it. 

Me too, if anything vinyl is the medium where I’m most likely to only play half an album, that moment when the first side makes you think of something else and you change album instead of turning over. But pretty much every time I play the album through on all media.

I'm struggling here: I almost never do anything other than listen to albums in their entirety  (maybe its the type of music I like) - and streaming from my own store makes it oh so easy, whether a single, double or even triple album - continuous play without interruption unless I choose to pause, so much easiervthan vinyl (I could go into the quality of sound, but won't)

Hungryhalibut posted:

That reminds me of a little joke. I got an odd job man round recently, and gave him a list of eight jobs to do while I was out. When I got back I discovered that he’d only done jobs one, three, five and seven...

That's better than many of the jokes appearing on the 'Best jokes' thread.

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