New Uniti range gets Roon Ready update

Just in case the Naim uniti progress update is missed by a Roon fans. End of October will see a new firmware update for Atom,Star and Nova for Roon ready, zero interest to me, but I know some have been wanting this.....

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Roon seems to be fantastic. But can someone explain to me how it will work and how to use it on my  Hi-fi system. I know my Mac Book Pro will be the Core /digital library. My system is Nova (soon) and my music is stored on a Zen/Vortexbox Musicserver. 

Roon needs something with a bit of processing power to run the Roon core (its engine, if you like). Whilst it runs quite well on some NAS they are likely to have limitations with respect to some of the more intensive processes, upsampling , DSP, multiple zones etc. 

Roon is harder to explain than use, so when the firmware update arrives, install Roon on a PC or Mac on the same network as the uniti product. You will be prompted to tell it where to look for your files, point it there and let it analyse your music. (This can take an hour or two - with further background analysis going on for a day or two to give volumes levelling capability and DR values etc. )

Then in settings, audio devices enable the Uniti product and away you go. A lot of people complain about the 14 day trial being too short but to be honest I went lifetime after the first week. 

The Roon forum is an informative and welcoming place, you might even see one or two familiar faces 

 

.sjb

Interesting - I already have Roon Core running on a NUC using ROCK and an Endpoint feeding the NDS either via UPnP using the Sonore UPnP Bridge and through a USB->S/PDIF convertor into a Digital input. The UPnP Bridge solution isn't able to play 24/192, DSD64 files (or DoP 24/172.4)

So having native RAAT support on the NDS would be an advantage - however when a Uniti acts as an Roon Endpoint, is it operating using the RAAT protocol (Roon's own) as a stand-alone component i.e. playing the tracks or if the Uniti is a Core is it able to serve the tracks to a Streamer (NDS, NDX, ND5XS, 272, 172) over UPnP (i.e. is it bridging between RAAT and UPnP protocols?)

Simon.

As I mentioned elsewhere on this board, I have Roon which I bought mainly to stream to my Devialet Pro, which it does very nicely. As my wife had been playing some iTune music on the Muso this afternoon (I use Tidal mainly, although Roon picks up all available music on your network), and I could see the Muso as a 'zone' on Roon, I thought I'd switch to it and see what would happen. It simply picked up from where my wife had stopped and happily fired up the Muso. From there, I switched back to the Pro and unpaused what it had been playing from Tidal via Roon and off it went. Both rooms happily playing different music streams activated by Roon. It cannot play the same stream to multiple devices though. It sucks the juice out of the MacBook which contains the Roon software at a prodigious rate if you are running it on battery alone. 

rightcoastants posted:
marcusman posted:

Perhaps they need to update the NAC-N 272 boards!  

Roon is fantastic.  Great update for Naim. 

Would be a welcome update if Naim made this a possibility and more importantly, offered it as an affordable upgrade.

Roon is Roon and the price is on its own website, and its not cheap. Its hardware integration is of course a different story.

rightcoastants posted:
marcusman posted:

Perhaps they need to update the NAC-N 272 boards!  

Roon is fantastic.  Great update for Naim. 

Would be a welcome update if Naim made this a possibility and more importantly, offered it as an affordable upgrade.

It’s a FREE upgrade, just like Tidal and Spotify. Roon is an add on, but one that many are willing to pay for and now Naim have integrated it for free. 

You're either missing the point or bringing Naim negativity to a new level.

.sjb 

It would be nice to see a more specific statement from Naim on support for older Uniti line - the Connection Magazine article simply says "A software update will be available at the end of October across the Uniti all-in-one players featuring Roon Ready."

my SuperUniti is part of the Uniti all in one players line, right?

Hanover, I think it refers to the current range of Uniti all-in-one players, not older players using a platform that I guess was designed long before Roon itself was even under consideration. I gather that the new platform on the current range was designed from the very beginning to accommodate services like Roon.

I don't know whether the older platform is capable of supporting this, or whether an update is even possible in future (at a guess I'd say probably not), but there are other current threads on here about how to add Roon to older players with 3rd party hardware add-ons.  

I'd like to implement Roon. But I'm not getting into this "pile of boxes and spaghetti" nonsense that people are using today. 

So I will have to wait for naim to do something "new platform" on the separates range. 

jon honeyball posted:

I'd like to implement Roon. But I'm not getting into this "pile of boxes and spaghetti" nonsense that people are using today. 

So I will have to wait for naim to do something "new platform" on the separates range. 

Drole! Roon is downloadable software that requires no extra boxes at all. I have mine loaded on my MacBook which talks to my HiFi hardware on the network. As long as your music is accessible via your network and, or the internet you simply 'point' your music at your preferred output device and play the music. I do have a glitch whereby my music can stop for no accountable reason and I have to stop and start the track, but a maximum of once per session which could be any length of time. Roon also does not appear to like competition on the same machine i.e. surfing the net while playing your music can produce nasty distortion. 

I am not too interested in Roon, but it would be nice for legacy products to have a board upgrade to 384/32 and DSD2. The Uniti Core can serve these files. Realize it may be expensive but I still prefer the sound quality of NDS and NDX streaming from the Core over a computer/NAS running Minimserve. Also I am more interested in my music library than the world of Tidal, etc. probably shows my age. 

jon honeyball posted:

I'd like to implement Roon. But I'm not getting into this "pile of boxes and spaghetti" nonsense that people are using today. 

So I will have to wait for naim to do something "new platform" on the separates range. 

A Raspberry Pi connected to a DAC, smaller than most phono stages!

Think I'd decline a bolognaise chez Jon if that's spaghetti.

 

.sjb

I think this is great news from Naim, a new software feature being implemented on the new hardware more or less right out of the gate. Makes my optimistic reading of Andrew Everhard's review, where he only seemed to test out the Roon input, now "true"; I wasn't sure if he had selected the AirPlay input and targeted that as a Roon Endpoint.

My recollection is that Phil Harris stated here on the forum (early in the new Uniti announcement period) that further development of planned new features would not be possible on the old hardware (hence neither on 272 or SuperUniti). I think in part because of memory and processing constraints, the new platform is the target for new features and the old platform is limited to maintaining existing functionality but with interoperability - eg same app and multi room - with the new range; could be app (yes) vs firmware  (no) development, for example. 

I've been exploring the least spaghetti-like way to add Roon to existing Naim hardware (v1 Qute and SU), as that is in part a branching decision for upgrades chez moi. Per other threads here, and given excellent reviews both on the Roon forum by users and on DAR, the minimalist DigiOne Player seems to be today's top pick (one small box, pre-built, and one SPDIF cable) at a very reasonable price. To be honest, I was about to order this "in the meantime" as a way to explore....

Lots of excitement. Time to get home and get organized!

Regards alan 

rightcoastants posted:

What I was trying to say is that I would very much welcome a potential upgrade to the NAC-N 272 in order to take advantage of Roon integration from a hardware point-of-view. 

I very much doubt that Naim will offer Roon-ready upgrades for the streaming section of their NDS, NAC-N 272, etc. devices. I am also not sure how support for Roon will be integrated into the Naim app. Currently it is a control point for Naim streamers only, it does not even support generic UPnP or OpenHome streamers. As Richard Dane pointed out a few posts above, one can easily front-end a NDS or a 272 with a Roon endpoint. I guess the crucial question is that of integration that is, whether the Naim app will recognize the Roon endpoint or not. 

Kirkpg posted:

I am not too interested in Roon, but it would be nice for legacy products to have a board upgrade to 384/32 and DSD2. The Uniti Core can serve these files. Realize it may be expensive but I still prefer the sound quality of NDS and NDX streaming from the Core over a computer/NAS running Minimserve. Also I am more interested in my music library than the world of Tidal, etc. probably shows my age. 

Have you found that both the NDS and the NDX sounded better when served by the Core's UPnP server as opposed to when served by MinimServer? On which computer or NAS have you been running MinimServer? Thanks, nbpf

nbpf posted:

 

. I am also not sure how support for Roon will be integrated into the Naim app. Currently it is a control point for Naim streamers only, it does not even support generic UPnP or OpenHome streamers. As Richard Dane pointed out a few posts above, one can easily front-end a NDS or a 272 with a Roon endpoint. I guess the crucial question is that of integration that is, whether the Naim app will recognize the Roon endpoint or not. 

Roon is its app to a degree, so I would imagine the integration will be similar to what Bluesound does, it shows what's playing in the belusound app and one can stop/pause etc but any choosing of albums etc will be done in the Roon app, the beautiful Roon app................

 

 

.sjb

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nbpf posted:
Kirkpg posted:

I am not too interested in Roon, but it would be nice for legacy products to have a board upgrade to 384/32 and DSD2. The Uniti Core can serve these files. Realize it may be expensive but I still prefer the sound quality of NDS and NDX streaming from the Core over a computer/NAS running Minimserve. Also I am more interested in my music library than the world of Tidal, etc. probably shows my age. 

Have you found that both the NDS and the NDX sounded better when served by the Core's UPnP server as opposed to when served by MinimServer? On which computer or NAS have you been running MinimServer? Thanks, nbpf

I previously had a UnitiServe.  I would become frustrated with how downloaded Hi-Res files would be handled differently than the CD rips.  I was hoping to just have one big library that I could search.  Minimserve functionally sees all files the same so that when searching under Genre, for example, everything appeared.  The UnitiServe and Core just look at the CD rips when doing a genre search.  I would then try Minimserve on a QNAP NAS and also a headless Mac Mini.  With extended listening I always preferred the Unitiserve and now the Core as the server both with the NDS and NDX.  I cannot quantitate the difference but I heard it.  Just my opinion but I do wish Naim would fix the server software so that all the files are treated the same.  This is a little off the Roon topic, sorry about the diversion.

Kirkpg, I don't know how you had your Unitiserve configured, but on mine, if you browse by genre, or any other tag for that matter, you see the whole music library, not just CD rips or downloads separately. If you weren't seeing this, something was amiss, possibly the way your downloads were tagged?

nbpf posted:

 I am also not sure how support for Roon will be integrated into the Naim app. <snip> I guess the crucial question is that of integration that is, whether the Naim app will recognize the Roon endpoint or not. 

I think it would work the other way around, via the Roon app (as SJB suggests) and possibly with a Naim app "input selection" hook a la Spotify Connect - where the Naim app controls volume and input selection only, then provides an escape to the Spotify app for functional control. That would be infinitely simpler than trying to duplicate Roon app functionality in the Naim app... an approach which may best be seen with Tidal integration (and new Tidal app functionality is not readily incorporated into the Naim app)  

Regards alan

keano posted:

I can see some people have problems, when they have different and more versions of a album. Roon are not showing all the albums.

That's actually one of the great features of Roon, you can denote albums as different versions of the same album  for example if I look at my Beatles albums I have -

 

then is I choose to show all versions in the settings -

 

I think it's great to have these 2 views for as you can see I have a lot of different versions of the Beatles albums.

If you click on the album there is an other version tabs that show all available versions.

You can make one the primary (which is shown when duplicates are hidden) but play any one you wish.

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Sloop John B posted:
keano posted:

I can see some people have problems, when they have different and more versions of a album. Roon are not showing all the albums.

That's actually one of the great features of Roon, you can denote albums as different versions of the same album  for example if I look at my Beatles albums I have -

 

then is I choose to show all versions in the settings -

 

I think it's great to have these 2 views for as you can see I have a lot of different versions of the Beatles albums.

If you click on the album there is an other version tabs that show all available versions.

You can make one the primary (which is shown when duplicates are hidden) but play any one you wish.

.sjb

Thanks. Just what I wanted to hear. I must try a free trial. 

How about boxset?

Box sets, looking at the Band

 

 

The 5 in the corner of a Musical History denotes a 5 box set, when clicked

 

Now sometimes this does need some user input to get correct especially with some classical box sets which are amalgamations of previously released mini-sets. The most challenging for me was Stravinsky's 20CD set.

No metadata is changed, all editing is on the Roon dataset, there are comprehensive editing options

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Both Roon and Naim apps are totally independant.

if you play something from Roon, the Naim app will still show you the metadata, you can adjust the volume in both apps. If you select a different input on the naim app the device will drop Roon. The 2 apps run concurrently.

Roon works like Airplay: you do not have a Roon input in the Naim app. But when you connect from the Roon app, the Naim app will tell you you are using Roon ( like Airplay). To do that you need to have multiple sessions opened at the same time on the player. Something that is impossible with the old platform products. Make you own conclusion...

at least this is the way it works on the alpha version we are using at the RMAF. We are using an Intel MUC as Roon server.

Apparently Roon doesn’t t see a USB drive connected to a Core...

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